propain

Not sure but soldier2304 is the only one who has actually seen one in person it seems and alqamzi has 2 of them and he claims one is bigger than the other.

ItalianStallion

LOL, 118E63 is one of the biggest track junkies on this forum. Not only does he run his **** on the track (and break records, by the way), but he will run anybody on the street. Money or for fun. Fail...

Agreed. I have run the C63 with Kleeman tune and stock C63. When I ran the bone stock GT500, it definitely pulled harder than the stock C63 and seemed just as fast as the tuned one, if not faster. This was a pre-11 though. I'm sure the 2011 would beat a tuned C63.

Oh God...

It's just like the C6 Z06. Most guys have a hard time getting it to break into the 11's. It's not easy to get it to hookup. Plus most people can't shift fast enough or are afraid to powershift. Go down to a track like MIR and put it in the hands of a guy like Ranger or Jamie Furman and....well, you know the rest of the story. Now I agree, chances are you can beat a Shelby GT500 on the track thanks to the automatic gearbox and the ease of launching and no-brainer shifting. But under ideal conditions, with an excellent driver, the GT500 on DR's should spank a C63 on DR's. Again, this doesn't mean on the streets or the track that the C can't annihilate the GT500 due to an inexperienced driver or lack of grip.

118E63

Hmmmmm,magazines also had the W211 E63 AMG running 12.4-12.6 @ 114...but yet I seem to remember when a certain somebody on the W211 side ran a 11.95 @118 in his bonestock '07 E63. So,does that mean it wasnt possible since the mags could only muster a 12.4-12.6? Or that he was cheating? Stop..

Anything is possible,magazines&Dragtimes-info are not the end-all of drag data..being at the track&having friends who race these cars every weekend&seeing what they run firsthand holds more weight in my book then any forum BS or youtube vid.

C'mon bro I know YOU of all people should know better especially since ur quite the dragracer as well...Mr. 9sec Chevelle

soldier2304

Well at least I can still see mine while I'm peeing... I dont know why your still comparing 1/4 mile times in all this since we are mainly talking about ROLL races and the fact that you fail to look at the numbers for both cars. Let me know of a tuned C63 that puts more than 540 crank hp after being tuned, not MHP, OE, Kleemann, or Renntech. Top that with the fact that both cars weight around the same thing it's pretty much a no brainer nothing to discuss. This topic is like discussing which car is faster in a straight line C63 or M3? I think we all know the answer to that.

propain

I do know better. I spent the first 3 pages stating how sick the GT500 is with work done to it. No question in a mod fight the GT500 comes out WAY on top.

With the GT500 the range of times varies so much its hard to know who is running what. A Mag like Motortrend is pretty respectable and they have some good drivers and they were only able to get a 12.7 out of the GT500 stock.

Yes, on DR's at 15psi in the tires and hole shotting at 5K RPM with zero wheel spin you can most likely get into the high 11's in a stock GT500. I don't doubt that. The guy running and 11.1 "Stock" I would like to see that car up close because that smells fishy.

Not sure about the 11.9 stock E63. DA plays a huge roll as well. When you correct that time im sure its a mid to low 12. But even if DA wasnt the factor with enough runs you can manage a "Perfect" run. My 9.98 was a perfect one in neg DA. My Chevelle runs low 10's all day. I don't go around saying my Chevelle is a 9 second car ever because its simply not true.

Like I said, anything is possible. Someone on here said it best, I think it was a sponsor. Your best run is not what the car does. Its better to average your runs because that's what your car really does in real world conditions.

If that stock GT500 without the ice and fans and 45 min cool downs is consistently putting down 11.1 on DR's thats a really good driver and must be very well prepped track.

However! lol If its one thing Ive learned at the track is most people are full of crap about what they are running and almost ALWAYS have a little secret they happen to leave out. The MHP C63 that ran the 11.6 tune only was very impressive. Long after I found out those runs were accomplished with skinnys up front and the rest of the runs were 11.8+. There is always a little something people leave out..

propain

I don't see mine because the doc said I shouldn't lift anything heavy...

I'm talking about 1/4 mile times not roll races. I think we have spent 4 pages talking about 1/4 mile times. Where did you see any subject change to roll races? I have looked at the numbers for both cars in various locations.

HP isn't the end all for a discussion. If it was that easy no one would need to race anymore... The 2010 Camaro SS has 25 less HP than the 2010 C63 stock. An auto SS weighs about 3900 lb's. The C63 weights about 100 lb's more but has 25 more HP. Should be a close to a dead heat right? Nope.. The SS gets spanked by the C63. By about 1/2 a second in the 1/4. So many other factors.

All I am saying is you came into this thread calling people clueless because you raced 1 GT500. You knew nothing about what you raced other than it was a GT500 but somehow you think it makes you more of an expert. Im sorry if I got the wrong impression and Im not looking to get into a flame war with you, but that's how I read it.

Newzchspy

Wait till 2012, it'll happen!!!

118E63

Agreed&I applaud you for being able to have a mature debate without resorting to the typical finger pointing&name calling thats become very common

justthebest

Hold on guys. I have the biggest TRUCK here, so obviously I'm the tripod.

alqamzi

I did race my GT500 with my modded C63 and I beat my C63 by at least one car length. My C63 has headers and a tune. My GT500 has a pulley only (no tune). I didn't say anything about dyno. Dyno readings are worthless when comparing two cars. You can get a Dyno reading to say whatever you want. My only statement here is that the GT500 is the faster of the two cars. Just faster, not better, not anything else!! I'm not replying anymore now.

propain

I meant butt dyno as a compare. I didn't mean an actual dyno. I didn't know if you actually raced your C63 that is why I said "Feel faster" from one to the other without actually racing. Hard to race your own car without help...

Relax brother, no one is getting excited here or taking it personally. You seem to feel people are for some reason.

alqamzi

Yes, I raced the shelby and c63 at the same time, with no help.
I'm not taking this 'personally', I am a car enthusiast enjoying a good talk about cars. If I was Carroll Shelby then it might be a different story

propain

My Chevelle has never raced my Charger.
My Camaro has never raced my STI
My C63 has never raced my STI
My 996 has never raced any of them...

You get the point...


Happy Holidays!

dodger63

I love the conversations!!!!

alqamzi

I get the point because nothing in that selection of cars is worth racing the other. Did you mean 993? Because, the 996 Porsche turbo is from '00-'05 and your sig says 1996!

callmiro

[quote=ItalianStallion;4425936]LOL, 118E63 is one of the biggest track junkies on this forum. Not only does he run his **** on the track (and break records, by the way), but he will run anybody on the street. Money or for fun. Fail...


Dude...the only fail here is posting up an article that actualy refutes what you are trying to solidify.....

Look....We all know the GT500 can become a monster with all the right parts....but on the street/track stock for stock, its anyones game because as much as they are fast cars it all comes down to the driver....

Obviously everyone at the track is going for the quickest ET and their driving skills reflect that, but 90% of drivers have never been to the track and their driving skills reflect that to.....thats why we have street/strip kill stories littiering this forum and others....

I know when i pul beside anyone at a light, that when i drop the hammer, its shift light every gear, but i can't say the same for the guy beside me....

Thats why when i hear guys drop absolutes like this car is faster than that car PERIOD, i get it, but it doesnt mean the faster car will win the race everytime because the dude behind the wheel controls how fast the car actually is...that's why you hear kill stories on the C63 board on guys beating everything imaginable

propain

No, you seem to miss the point completely. Try reading it again slowly. Try to act like you are older than 19. Maybe you will get it.

Obviously missed the 1. Thank you Mr. Google. Anytime you want to compare garages let me know.. Pics, me flipping you the bird in front of them or me simply stomping your C63 and your GT500 with a 44 year old car on the track, let me know.

justthebest

It's ok - he & I will just hop in the Raptor and cut across the track. Maybe not legal, but we'll take the checkered flag anyway

propain

Those trucks are badass. Ive always wanted to own a off road like that... one day...

MIKESV8

just put a twin turbo on an LS7 zo6 and call it a day.haha or pro-charge it

dodger63

Wow you guys still talking about this... We need to get back to the basics and talk Mercedes!! Let's talk some smack about BMW so this forum challenge happens!

gnxs

^ Sums it up in a nutshell.

118E63

[quote=callmiro;4426733]so enlighten us:lets forget about you pulling alongside somebody at a stop light,tell us what your C63 runs at a dragstrip.. Or are you just a bench-racer as well?

alqamzi

I don't need to google I already know everything about porsche. Second of all, I am 23. And I only listed the cars that I have in the US. If you really want to compare my real garage to what you have JUST let me know. I don't know why you took it so personally that a shelby is faster then a c63?! It was just a comment not an insult to you or anyone. This time i am really not replying TO YOU in this thread anymore.


Have a nice christmas eve.

callmiro

[quote=118E63;4427365]Why does it matter.....the GT500 would beat me. Period

I've been street/strip racing for 20 years. I've had 3 mustangs / Z28 / Trans Am / Corvette.....all at the track

My first mustang had Dart heads / GT40 intake / X303 Cam / 30 lb injectors / Mac exhaust / Flowmasters / 4:10's all on a stock block running 11.50's all day long......

My C63 has run a best of 12.12 at 116 hooking 1.8 60 foot....with a babyseat in the back

I respect all guys and cars that race, but i would never hesitate to race any factory stock street car / because magazine articles and test data don't mean shi+ on the street....