whipplem104

It is always surprising to me that people think that this stuff costs too much. It probably costs around 7000-8000 dollars to manufacture each kit based on volume, maybe more. Then there is the development costs, lets say 100,000, which I think is grossly underestimated. So you got to sell around 15 them to get your money back. And then you have liability on a engine and drivetrain that can cost upwards of 30k. And then maybe a total sales of say around 100 kits especially since there are two companies selling kits.
The original kleemann blowers were around 15k + install and now they are around 8k. What are the total sales numbers on that setup which fit on basically every v8 in all models for 8 years.

BenzoBoi

Really pricey but those are some nice numbers!

rarfinancial

Well said, These are for MBZ's NOT mustangs... I for one will be calling James at ACG to put in my order....

AMGSC

Is this also a 2.3 litre twin screw?

dodger63

awsome please let us know when you do, cant wait for the real results.. whats the time frame soon.. cant wait

dodger63

still think its expensive! even if its well said.. but im sure to some $19,000.00 is a walk in the park for a supercharger

tgoss

Agreed. That would be way to rich for my blood.

Either way, can't wait to see what some board members start putting down track wise with these kits.

rarfinancial

Don't get me wrong man... 19k is 19k no matter what . BUT? I was the first to try to install a supercharger ON A 63 way back in 2007 .. but after a LONG LONG wait and many set backs , I lost a good chunk of cash to the vender and it never happened. So here we are 4 years later and it's a reality . No way can I pass it up.... By the way ,has any one heard from Jim? he was to pick his car up from EVO Thursday. Well the power gain are not really what i'm after , I mean I have dyno sheets showing 612rwhp but the thought of a superchared CLS63 is AWSOME

Klinh

Hell no..........he did flew over to EVO but now he's in Vegas. What really funny is........he's now recommending people should buy the SC direct and have them do the installation. I can see why, after months and months of waiting and still counting.........

rarfinancial

So the B.S is not done? It's one hell of an install i'm sure. I hope Jim will cime in and let us know whats up. I can't wait to hear the update.

SonnyakaPig

What I was saying, and I know it wasn't clear is that the M156's power level when it's in the C63 is sort of a fiction. When the M156 is de-restricted in the C, i.e., tuned, it can easily be about 30-40 hp less than the M159 in the SLS. Add some LT's to the C63 and all of a sudden it's more powerful than the SLS.

So, really, I was comparing the M156 and the M159.

SonnyakaPig

Ditto.

MB_Forever

Yes we have heard from him.... can't spill the beans yet though

All in due time...

Mx_AMG

What's really concerning is all the talk from the vendors about the supercharger kits, yet there is little to no input from them.

rarfinancial

I agree with your statement. This is an information forum., be it good , bad or set back info. We all learn from each other, vendors and installers. In the R&D stages of a new mod it is us, the ones that purchase the products that need to share our opinions. Like I said this is a FORUM to share info, not N.A.S.A
That being said I hope we get a vendor (or 2), installer or better yet THE HORSES MOUTH(mr.J) to chime in..... This is a long awaited mod. As a lot of you may remember I too went down this 63 supercharger road years ago with an Xvendor here on this forum... So Let The Party Begin

ProjectC55

Wow the dyno curve is crazee impressive. Amazing how close the torque and HP #s almost run together from the beginning to the end of the pull. From 2k up she's just pulling to redline no dips. I'd love to see what kind of #'s she makes running the 1/4 mile. That's a 10 second C63 at near 140mph.

hhughes1

The graph is plotting whp and bhp rather than torque. Hence no crossover. Not sure why they chose to display it that way, I would like to see the torque numbers.

MB_Forever

Guys, vendors are not saying they won't release any information. In fact, they did release the information to a few direct customers and supporting dealers. However, they are waiting to compile all the data and present it nicely in a full package. They are putting the final touches as we speak. Lets give them some time instead of rushing into things. We waited 4 years.... what's another couple of weeks.

I will post a teaser once I get the okay to do so

sgtstanko

I have to agree with you 110%. I was involved in a supercharger development program. The prototype is typically machined from a chunk of billet and rotors are not that much. Once you find the casting house for the housing and manifold them its the fuel rails and injectors. The IC pump is probably an off the shelf Bosch unit along with the aluminum heat exchanger...oh yea dont forget those expensive rubber hoses. I bet you dont get braided ones! Sure there is R&D and tuning time......but MAX cost per unit is about 4,500-5k. Weistec and Kleeman are cutting a fat hog in the ***. I bet the Weistec is a 2.3 Magnuson or Eaton adapted onto a 6.3 specific manifold. Then the cost is even less!!!

They definetly narrow down the number they will sell, but they are looking for a narrow market that will drink their expensive Kool-Aid.


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ProjectC55

Ahh ok I did not read Cory's opening statement carefully then. But why on earthwould he just plot the HP figures without showing the torgue graph? I'd like to see the torgue graph as well.

JamE55

Reminds me of the good ole days when Kleemann first introduced the s/c system for the M113's. It was the same price.

Only difference now is i don't know if this X-Power s/c system is mfg by Kleemann or is it a different company?

Either way you can't go wrong...it's proven!

AMGSC

The unit is a twin-screw so cannot be a Magnuson or Eaton as these are roots blowers. I get your point about the MB tax.

TexasEngineer

Wrong, the Weistec unit most certainly uses an Eaton TVS compressor unit just like Magnuson uses. It is very evident by the pictures on their website. Their website calls it a twin screw, but the TVS unit is not a true twin screw. See links below for reference. The Extra Power system, may or may not also utilize the Eaton TVS unit. I haven’t seen any pictures, so I can say. One thing that is for certain is that they are using an off the shelf compressor unit. None of these tuner companies designs and builds their own compressors. At most they build the manifold and inlet/snout. All the other parts are just sourced and put together.

Also, $15k to $19k for a blower setup is ridiculous. It is even more ridiculous than all the headers that cost $3.8k.

http://weistec.com/m156sc.html

http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/ProductsServices/%20PerformanceProducts/Products/Superchargers/TVS/index.htm

whipplem104

Actually it is a screw compressor. The difference is that the screw compressor has two different rotors. One three rotor and one 5 rotor. You can tell by the thickness of each blade. Also their website has a fair amount of support for using the screw compressor as a reason for choosing it. The eaton is two 4 rotor blades. They are twisted for more efficiency on the eaton but not a screw.

TexasEngineer

I stand corrected. I did not look closely enough at the picture. The unit is actuallya twin screw and looks very much like a Wipple unit.