ACG Build: C63 Weistec Stage 2
08-04-2011, 11:46 PM
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Just jump right to it and say your dad can beat up my dad.
In the meantime, call Steve and ask him if my advice to him is bad or if he would like you to keep quiet and leave me alone while I'm on his side. As of right now, I'd still recommend Weistec to all the people I run into. I'm sure he'd prefer to keep it that way. But I could go with guilt by association if you would all prefer.
Jim
In the meantime, call Steve and ask him if my advice to him is bad or if he would like you to keep quiet and leave me alone while I'm on his side. As of right now, I'd still recommend Weistec to all the people I run into. I'm sure he'd prefer to keep it that way. But I could go with guilt by association if you would all prefer.
Jim
08-05-2011, 12:03 AM
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Just jump right to it and say your dad can beat up my dad.
In the meantime, call Steve and ask him if my advice to him is bad or if he would like you to keep quiet and leave me alone while I'm on his side. As of right now, I'd still recommend Weistec to all the people I run into. I'm sure he'd prefer to keep it that way. But I could go with guilt by association if you would all prefer.
Jim
In the meantime, call Steve and ask him if my advice to him is bad or if he would like you to keep quiet and leave me alone while I'm on his side. As of right now, I'd still recommend Weistec to all the people I run into. I'm sure he'd prefer to keep it that way. But I could go with guilt by association if you would all prefer.
Jim
That's what these back and forths get to basically...
08-05-2011, 12:03 AM
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Now, on to my advice to Weistec regarding the marketing of the heads. Since jrcart has already proclaimed this to be total BS, those of you that are know-it-all fan boys can move along...
Ok, for the rest of you that might still be reading, this was my advice.
Weistec sold heads to ACG for my car. They might or might not function. I expect we will find out soon. What is known by me is that this didn't go well. Unbeknownst to me it is already proven that my just-CPO'd car had at least one bad MAF. Why it didn't trip codes, I can't say. But ACG tells me that replacing them fixed some problems showing up on the dyno. I have no reason not to believe them. Weistec tells me there is a cam problem. I'm a little less certain about this. Is it the cam or is it the sensor that watches the cam? I'm betting on the sensor. But perhaps they are installed into the new heads wrong. We will see about that also I would guess.
So what is my advice to Weistec?
Be careful. ACG employs a real live Mercedes mechanic. My cams weren't installed by some goober who does Hondas most of the time. If a shop that does a ton of high performance work we have this debacle, what will they get into if they sell these heads willie-nillie to just anyone? Every shop has their fanboys YO! Get the idea?
I have no doubt about Weistecs ability to do what they do. I also trust ACG. My entire complaint is that the interaction between these shops was not moving the car along and one or both of them needed to take the lead and just fix the fricking car. That's all I am complaining about.
So I honestly advised Steve at Weistec that if this was what happens when shops are within an hour of each other, employ good mechanics and are experienced, what would happen to them, their reputation and their support costs if they start selling these things to somebody who's going to take them to his buddy the mechanic at Stereo World. And you all know it will happen sooner or later. Now is this crazy advice?
Personally I would start slow with these heads and do most or all of the installs themselves and slowly build a network of trusted shops ensuring that these shops are staffed with actual mechanics not guys who bolt on bling all day.
That's it.
Call me crazy.
Jim
Ok, for the rest of you that might still be reading, this was my advice.
Weistec sold heads to ACG for my car. They might or might not function. I expect we will find out soon. What is known by me is that this didn't go well. Unbeknownst to me it is already proven that my just-CPO'd car had at least one bad MAF. Why it didn't trip codes, I can't say. But ACG tells me that replacing them fixed some problems showing up on the dyno. I have no reason not to believe them. Weistec tells me there is a cam problem. I'm a little less certain about this. Is it the cam or is it the sensor that watches the cam? I'm betting on the sensor. But perhaps they are installed into the new heads wrong. We will see about that also I would guess.
So what is my advice to Weistec?
Be careful. ACG employs a real live Mercedes mechanic. My cams weren't installed by some goober who does Hondas most of the time. If a shop that does a ton of high performance work we have this debacle, what will they get into if they sell these heads willie-nillie to just anyone? Every shop has their fanboys YO! Get the idea?
I have no doubt about Weistecs ability to do what they do. I also trust ACG. My entire complaint is that the interaction between these shops was not moving the car along and one or both of them needed to take the lead and just fix the fricking car. That's all I am complaining about.
So I honestly advised Steve at Weistec that if this was what happens when shops are within an hour of each other, employ good mechanics and are experienced, what would happen to them, their reputation and their support costs if they start selling these things to somebody who's going to take them to his buddy the mechanic at Stereo World. And you all know it will happen sooner or later. Now is this crazy advice?
Personally I would start slow with these heads and do most or all of the installs themselves and slowly build a network of trusted shops ensuring that these shops are staffed with actual mechanics not guys who bolt on bling all day.
That's it.
Call me crazy.
Jim
Do me a favor and start preparing your appology letter to Weistec that you are going to be posting up here early next week when your car is running.
08-05-2011, 12:07 AM
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08-05-2011, 12:11 AM
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Just jump right to it and say your dad can beat up my dad.
In the meantime, call Steve and ask him if my advice to him is bad or if he would like you to keep quiet and leave me alone while I'm on his side. As of right now, I'd still recommend Weistec to all the people I run into. I'm sure he'd prefer to keep it that way. But I could go with guilt by association if you would all prefer.
Jim
In the meantime, call Steve and ask him if my advice to him is bad or if he would like you to keep quiet and leave me alone while I'm on his side. As of right now, I'd still recommend Weistec to all the people I run into. I'm sure he'd prefer to keep it that way. But I could go with guilt by association if you would all prefer.
Jim
Let me know when and where you're gonna be crushing your car, I'm gonna fly out to see it, sounds pretty sweet.
08-05-2011, 12:12 AM
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So what specifically needs to be done to the car for it to be finished by Monday?
If a client like your self were paying me that much money for a build I would eat, sleep, breathe this job until I get it done and done right. ESPECIALLY if you already paid in advance.
Its not like our only buying set of lug bolts....
If a client like your self were paying me that much money for a build I would eat, sleep, breathe this job until I get it done and done right. ESPECIALLY if you already paid in advance.
Its not like our only buying set of lug bolts....
08-05-2011, 12:13 AM
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08-05-2011, 12:15 AM
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Finally, the other Jim (jrcart) posts. What's up, dude? What has happened to your car since I saw it @ Fontana?
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08-05-2011, 12:51 AM
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I just received texts from both Steve at Weistec and James at ACG. The car will be done tomorrow.
jrcart, you will have some explaining to do. You've not done well for Weistec. Not at all. Besides apparently having either reading comprehension problems or a complete lack of understanding about how my problems relate indirectly to causing Weistec future support issues, you've just put me off the experience all together.
You should scoot your little butt to O'hare. Tomorrow is going to be your day. I'll be at Weistec. And the car will leave there for destinations unknown.
I'm sure all vendors involved will have nothing but good thoughts about you for your help. But true to my word, I'll post honest dyno graphs and my impression of the quality of the build. And after that, if everyone is lucky, I'll just keep quiet.
Jim
jrcart, you will have some explaining to do. You've not done well for Weistec. Not at all. Besides apparently having either reading comprehension problems or a complete lack of understanding about how my problems relate indirectly to causing Weistec future support issues, you've just put me off the experience all together.
You should scoot your little butt to O'hare. Tomorrow is going to be your day. I'll be at Weistec. And the car will leave there for destinations unknown.
I'm sure all vendors involved will have nothing but good thoughts about you for your help. But true to my word, I'll post honest dyno graphs and my impression of the quality of the build. And after that, if everyone is lucky, I'll just keep quiet.
Jim
08-05-2011, 01:12 AM
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08-05-2011, 01:45 AM
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Great news Jim!!
I just have one request, Im dying to know what 60-130mph times your car will run, any chance you could do some V-box runs and keep us informed?
Thanks.
I just have one request, Im dying to know what 60-130mph times your car will run, any chance you could do some V-box runs and keep us informed?
Thanks.
08-05-2011, 01:58 AM
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_AMG_,
I don't do that kind of thing. I got it out of my system a long time ago. I haven't even figured out what the future of the car is going to be. Its in pieces with significant parts not installed because they are late from suppliers or not installed yet. I have to at a minimum figure out what is paid for and what is not, gather up the parts on hand and as they come in. Then I have to find another shop to transfer the build too.
While he apparently deleted his post I and all of you got a notification of pertplus' comments. Since he spends a significant amount of time at ACG and there are hundreds of hours left to finish the car it is inevitable that we would run into each other and he and I have very similar tempers. Nothing good would happen. So, ACG, through no particular fault of their own will lose the remaining $$ associated with the build up. I also will probably not be leasing them a Mustang AWD dyno which was in the works. Again, nothing against them at all. But business is business and I'm not the type to check parking lots to see who's there before I pull in. This carries over to Weistec who I respect quite a bit. But frankly, the level of discourse, not to mention lack of reading skill of their number one customer, has put me off. And I'm just a grain of sand on the beach, I wouldn't want to put Weistec into the position of trying to patch things up between us. Its much better if I just take the car, get it into some condition to dispose of and move on.
Actions have consequences. None of them are bad for me in any way. And isn't that helpful?
Jim
I don't do that kind of thing. I got it out of my system a long time ago. I haven't even figured out what the future of the car is going to be. Its in pieces with significant parts not installed because they are late from suppliers or not installed yet. I have to at a minimum figure out what is paid for and what is not, gather up the parts on hand and as they come in. Then I have to find another shop to transfer the build too.
While he apparently deleted his post I and all of you got a notification of pertplus' comments. Since he spends a significant amount of time at ACG and there are hundreds of hours left to finish the car it is inevitable that we would run into each other and he and I have very similar tempers. Nothing good would happen. So, ACG, through no particular fault of their own will lose the remaining $$ associated with the build up. I also will probably not be leasing them a Mustang AWD dyno which was in the works. Again, nothing against them at all. But business is business and I'm not the type to check parking lots to see who's there before I pull in. This carries over to Weistec who I respect quite a bit. But frankly, the level of discourse, not to mention lack of reading skill of their number one customer, has put me off. And I'm just a grain of sand on the beach, I wouldn't want to put Weistec into the position of trying to patch things up between us. Its much better if I just take the car, get it into some condition to dispose of and move on.
Actions have consequences. None of them are bad for me in any way. And isn't that helpful?
Jim
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08-05-2011, 02:18 AM
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_AMG_,
I don't do that kind of thing. I got it out of my system a long time ago. I haven't even figured out what the future of the car is going to be. Its in pieces with significant parts not installed because they are late from suppliers or not installed yet. I have to at a minimum figure out what is paid for and what is not, gather up the parts on hand and as they come in. Then I have to find another shop to transfer the build too.
While he apparently deleted his post I and all of you got a notification of pertplus' comments. Since he spends a significant amount of time at ACG and there are hundreds of hours left to finish the car it is inevitable that we would run into each other and he and I have very similar tempers. Nothing good would happen. So, ACG, through no particular fault of their own will lose the remaining $$ associated with the build up. I also will probably not be leasing them a Mustang AWD dyno which was in the works. Again, nothing against them at all. But business is business and I'm not the type to check parking lots to see who's there before I pull in. This carries over to Weistec who I respect quite a bit. But frankly, the level of discourse, not to mention lack of reading skill of their number one customer, has put me off. And I'm just a grain of sand on the beach, I wouldn't want to put Weistec into the position of trying to patch things up between us. Its much better if I just take the car, get it into some condition to dispose of and move on.
Actions have consequences. None of them are bad for me in any way. And isn't that helpful?
Jim
I don't do that kind of thing. I got it out of my system a long time ago. I haven't even figured out what the future of the car is going to be. Its in pieces with significant parts not installed because they are late from suppliers or not installed yet. I have to at a minimum figure out what is paid for and what is not, gather up the parts on hand and as they come in. Then I have to find another shop to transfer the build too.
While he apparently deleted his post I and all of you got a notification of pertplus' comments. Since he spends a significant amount of time at ACG and there are hundreds of hours left to finish the car it is inevitable that we would run into each other and he and I have very similar tempers. Nothing good would happen. So, ACG, through no particular fault of their own will lose the remaining $$ associated with the build up. I also will probably not be leasing them a Mustang AWD dyno which was in the works. Again, nothing against them at all. But business is business and I'm not the type to check parking lots to see who's there before I pull in. This carries over to Weistec who I respect quite a bit. But frankly, the level of discourse, not to mention lack of reading skill of their number one customer, has put me off. And I'm just a grain of sand on the beach, I wouldn't want to put Weistec into the position of trying to patch things up between us. Its much better if I just take the car, get it into some condition to dispose of and move on.
Actions have consequences. None of them are bad for me in any way. And isn't that helpful?
Jim
As to the bolded part above, you cannot be serious. Or maybe you are, and that just fits in perfectly with every single manifesto-esque post you make in this thread. Jim, you have a lot of money, congrats! Jim, you have a lot of nice cars, congrats! Jim, you are an unbelievable snob who takes private business between you and a shop and you and a manufacturer and publicizes it on the public forums, congrats! I mean, how many times can you talk about "biting someone's finger off" or the consequences of if the car is not done on Monday. Dude, get over yourself. It's a car, as you've said time and time again. This isn't a hostage negotiation or a nuclear disarmament.
My god man, for someone who spends money like water (or talks like he does), you sure have some strange tendencies. I guess we will all have to wait until you "keep quiet" again and make another post and threaten something about your car. We all wait with baited breath.
08-05-2011, 02:23 AM
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As for the bolded part above, I put that in there for your benefit. 
I wondered what your reaction to costing them a lot of money was going to be. Its as I expected. Its not like I wasn't going to pull the build because of you. I just really wanted to know if you even cared that you were satisfying your ego at the expense of the relationship between them and another significant customer. Now, James and Peter might think I'm a dick as well and maybe they appreciate you helping to get rid of me. That's entirely possible. It won't bother any of us then. You're a jerk, I'm a dick and they get rid of me. As Charlie would say, #Winning!
I may or may not be a dick. I am usually much worse than that. But why to you? Couldn't be you could it? I treated you like crap at the car show because as I was walking up to the booth you were ranting at some poor kid for touching your car. Just touching it. I was just waiting for you to punch him out.
I do like to toy with people. I used to fish but I discovered that what I enjoyed was watching the fish take the bait. Its even more entertaining with people, my little guppy. How did you ever get to be a lawyer with such poor observational skills?
Jim
PS: The above was written for a purpose too. I'll be entertained.
I wondered what your reaction to costing them a lot of money was going to be. Its as I expected. Its not like I wasn't going to pull the build because of you. I just really wanted to know if you even cared that you were satisfying your ego at the expense of the relationship between them and another significant customer. Now, James and Peter might think I'm a dick as well and maybe they appreciate you helping to get rid of me. That's entirely possible. It won't bother any of us then. You're a jerk, I'm a dick and they get rid of me. As Charlie would say, #Winning!I may or may not be a dick. I am usually much worse than that. But why to you? Couldn't be you could it? I treated you like crap at the car show because as I was walking up to the booth you were ranting at some poor kid for touching your car. Just touching it. I was just waiting for you to punch him out.
I do like to toy with people. I used to fish but I discovered that what I enjoyed was watching the fish take the bait. Its even more entertaining with people, my little guppy. How did you ever get to be a lawyer with such poor observational skills?
Jim
PS: The above was written for a purpose too. I'll be entertained.
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08-05-2011, 02:28 AM
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08-05-2011, 02:36 AM
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Jim, reading your posts is like reading a transcript from a Charles Manson parole hearing..... please continue. Funny how the guy that put ACG and Weistec on blast (sorry, that's slang for public excoriation) is blaming someone else for why they are now deciding to "take their toys and go home." jim, please regale us with your magnificent wealth, all of your cars and how us peons just use our c63s as our only cars whereas you have entire fleet at your disposal. Jim i am in complete awe of you, teach me more sensei.
And "my little guppy"? I knew there was a reason you reminded me of John Wayne Gacey.
And "my little guppy"? I knew there was a reason you reminded me of John Wayne Gacey.
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08-05-2011, 02:45 AM
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Excuse me, who's pm'ing you? As for my typing? Sorry, I am using my iPad that I have spent $70k upgrading and it still doesn't work the way I want it to (oops, ended my sentence with a preposition). Don't you hate when that happens? Can you email Steve Jobs for me?
