C63 AMG (W204) 2008 - 2015

Weistec Stg 1 vs. Gintani stg 3

Old 08-19-2011, 04:13 PM
  #26  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
dodger63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Northport N.Y.
Posts: 3,317
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
2013 f250 6.7 diesel
Originally Posted by mthis
Propain if I had money like some guys on here do I would get a P31 c63 (2012)In 10's without touching ECU and exhaust. Only lightweight
What u think possible? Or I'm crazy
Possible..
Old 08-19-2011, 04:27 PM
  #27  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
propain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
See Sig
Originally Posted by mthis
Propain if I had money like some guys on here do I would get a P31 c63 (2012)In 10's without touching ECU and exhaust. Only lightweight
What u think possible? Or I'm crazy
I think the tranny is the problem on the 2012. Probably gonna suck at the track.
Old 08-19-2011, 05:47 PM
  #28  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
mthis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ny
Posts: 4,453
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Anything W/4Wheels
Originally Posted by propain
I think the tranny is the problem on the 2012. Probably gonna suck at the track.
The trans will be good for the track.
Just have to know how to use it safely.
Old 08-19-2011, 05:50 PM
  #29  
Former Vendor of MBWorld
 
Weistec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Anaheim California
Posts: 585
Received 29 Likes on 10 Posts
Weistec
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to chime in and clear up some of the confusion on power levels. A Stage 1 supercharged car (Completely stock with the supercharger system) makes 500 horsepower to the wheels on a dynojet dyno. You can give or take some because of dyno type, temps, octane, etc. Our Stage 1+ system is our supercharger system tailored towards the customer who already installed long tube headers, free flowing exhaust, and air filters. This system is almost identical to the Stage 1 system, but we modify the calibration for the exhaust and also equalize boost because free flowing exhaust is like many know a very big bottle neck and the car typically drops 2-3 psi boost. For further details on this please visit our FAQ section on our website linked below. This system makes around 540 horsepower to the wheels, again give or take a few due to conditions, dyno, etc.

http://weistec.com/faq.html

Jim's (Jrcart) car has a completely stock drivetrain. No light wight driveshaft or any special differential parts. It does have light weight rotors, but we have not seen any real gains on the dyno from this. We dyno this car on slicks because it does burn out on the dyno with the dymags, and we notice a small power loss with the sticky tires, but its very negligible.

Hope this helps, and great runs guys. Please be safe out there!

Weistec Engineering
Old 08-19-2011, 06:02 PM
  #30  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
_AMG_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 6,677
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
C63
Originally Posted by mthis
Jim's car is stg2Plus. Heads automatically make it stg2 with the blower.
An headers make the plus
That's what I heard I could be wrong.

From what I know (from the forums)
c63 Jim has stg2plus with 91oct. 630rw plus
Jrcart. Stg2plus 100oct. 650rwplus.
Ohhh I see, thanks for the input Hagi!
Both Jim's are putting down some insane numbers!
Old 08-19-2011, 07:29 PM
  #31  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
propain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
See Sig
Originally Posted by mthis
The trans will be good for the track.
Just have to know how to use it safely.
Getting a proper burnout is the problem I hear.

Don't tempt me!! I've already decided to take my 2010 off the road!! Lol.
Old 08-19-2011, 10:43 PM
  #32  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
mthis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ny
Posts: 4,453
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Anything W/4Wheels
Originally Posted by propain
Getting a proper burnout is the problem I hear.

Don't tempt me!! I've already decided to take my 2010 off the road!! Lol.
Burnout problem with 500plus HP
use the LC to do the burnout in the water that way deft burn some rubber.
Old 08-19-2011, 10:55 PM
  #33  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
mthis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ny
Posts: 4,453
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Anything W/4Wheels
Originally Posted by Weistec
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to chime in and clear up some of the confusion on power levels. A Stage 1 supercharged car (Completely stock with the supercharger system) makes 500 horsepower to the wheels on a dynojet dyno. You can give or take some because of dyno type, temps, octane, etc. Our Stage 1+ system is our supercharger system tailored towards the customer who already installed long tube headers, free flowing exhaust, and air filters. This system is almost identical to the Stage 1 system, but we modify the calibration for the exhaust and also equalize boost because free flowing exhaust is like many know a very big bottle neck and the car typically drops 2-3 psi boost. For further details on this please visit our FAQ section on our website linked below. This system makes around 540 horsepower to the wheels, again give or take a few due to conditions, dyno, etc.

http://weistec.com/faq.html

Jim's (Jrcart) car has a completely stock drivetrain. No light wight driveshaft or any special differential parts. It does have light weight rotors, but we have not seen any real gains on the dyno from this. We dyno this car on slicks because it does burn out on the dyno with the dymags, and we notice a small power loss with the sticky tires, but its very negligible.

Hope this helps, and great runs guys. Please be safe out there!

Weistec Engineering
.


sry about that mis info.
i was going by this thats why i thought he had it but then again this is 3years old.

Originally Posted by jrcart
Spoke with PST today about the CF drive shaft, these guys are great, they told me once I get them my measurments they can ship the completed drive shaft and joints in 2 days. Looks like I'm gonna have some more HP by next Monday
Old 08-19-2011, 11:24 PM
  #34  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
jrcart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Naperville, IL/Chicago
Posts: 6,621
Received 53 Likes on 43 Posts
2008 CLK63 Black Series 2012 C63 Black Series 2014 SLS Black Series
Originally Posted by mthis
.


sry about that mis info.
i was going by this thats why i thought he had it but then again this is 3years old.
Trust me, I wish I had the CF driveshaft, the vendor that evosport hired to complete the driveshaft dropped the ball on that project not once but twice, I finally gave up on it.
Old 08-20-2011, 12:00 AM
  #35  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
mthis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Ny
Posts: 4,453
Received 30 Likes on 29 Posts
Anything W/4Wheels
Originally Posted by jrcart
Trust me, I wish I had the CF driveshaft, the vendor that evosport hired to complete the driveshaft dropped the ball on that project not once but twice, I finally gave up on it.
Huh that sucks I thought they also make 1 for the c63.
How's the car running, Sounds like a monster from the videos.
Old 08-20-2011, 12:07 AM
  #36  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
dodger63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Northport N.Y.
Posts: 3,317
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
2013 f250 6.7 diesel
Originally Posted by jrcart
Trust me, I wish I had the CF driveshaft, the vendor that evosport hired to complete the driveshaft dropped the ball on that project not once but twice, I finally gave up on it.
Were there's swill there is a way,, But to my understanding our stockers are about as light as there going to get,
Old 08-20-2011, 09:58 AM
  #37  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
propain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
See Sig
Originally Posted by mthis
Burnout problem with 500plus HP
use the LC to do the burnout in the water that way deft burn some rubber.
Most tracks will flip out doing the burnout in the water. There person behind you is gonna love ya too.

Hopefully there is a way to warm them enough with the LC. That was the only question I had with the new tranny. Meh... Im satisfied with my 2010. It gets to a point where I have to look at it for what it is... a bad *** 4 door but still a 4000lb 4 door.

To bad they couldn't make it awd.
Old 08-20-2011, 10:36 AM
  #38  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
olszowa12's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Gdynia, Poland
Posts: 4,643
Received 66 Likes on 49 Posts
'08 C63 Estate
Supercharged Estate
Old 08-20-2011, 11:31 AM
  #39  
Senior Member
 
Djovovic63's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Barcelona, Ljubljana
Posts: 330
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Mercedes C63 amg, Bmw X5,
Originally Posted by propain
To bad they couldn't make it awd.
I would really hate it if they made it awd. It would take away most of the excitement I have with the car
Old 08-20-2011, 12:13 PM
  #40  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
propain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
See Sig
Originally Posted by Djovovic63
I would really hate it if they made it awd. It would take away most of the excitement I have with the car
Yes, but it would make it GTR quick in the 1/4 stock over night. Probably be in the low 11's with a tune only on street tires. No burnouts. No drag radials. Real world street quick every time you leave your house.

Burnouts and fishtails are fun. But it sucks for performance.
Old 08-20-2011, 12:44 PM
  #41  
Senior Member
 
Vegas_AMG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 304
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
C63 & Mustang Mach1(s)
Originally Posted by propain
Getting a proper burnout is the problem I hear.

Don't tempt me!! I've already decided to take my 2010 off the road!! Lol.

Did you say something about a proper burn-out? Here's 2:

Old 08-20-2011, 01:01 PM
  #42  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
propain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
See Sig
Originally Posted by Vegas_AMG
Did you say something about a proper burn-out? Here's 2:
Those are 2 2012 C63's with MCT transmissions with launch control?
Old 08-20-2011, 01:16 PM
  #43  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
ecampbell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,058
Received 16 Likes on 13 Posts
2008 BS
I could be wrong but I think those are two black series at las vegas speedway from last night.
Old 08-20-2011, 01:20 PM
  #44  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
propain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
See Sig
Originally Posted by ecampbell
I could be wrong but I think those are two black series at las vegas speedway from last night.
Nice! Hope you guys had a good time. How were your times?

It seemed Vegas_AMG jumped into the thread and just responded without reading first. My question about getting a proper burnout was obviously directed at the 2012 MCT's with LC.

We wont know until we see some on the track but from what I hear with other RWD launch controlled cars they dont perform well in the 1/4 due to not being able to heat up the drags.
Old 08-20-2011, 02:10 PM
  #45  
Senior Member
 
KEMA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 317
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2012 E63 PP, 2012 Ferrari 458, 2012 Boxster S
Originally Posted by propain
Those are 2 2012 C63's with MCT transmissions with launch control?
I was test driving the new CLS63 PP yesterday with the MCT. Absolutely no problem doing a burn out in M. I assume this goes for the new C as well.

Ken
Old 08-20-2011, 02:15 PM
  #46  
PREMIER SPONSOR
 
brad @ evosport's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Huntington Beach, CA
Posts: 2,922
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
None fast enough!
All you need is a line lock kit and you can get any tire up to temp!
Old 08-20-2011, 02:18 PM
  #47  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
propain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
See Sig
Originally Posted by KEMA
I was test driving the new CLS63 PP yesterday with the MCT. Absolutely no problem doing a burn out in M. I assume this goes for the new C as well.

Ken
Is there a way to shut off the launch control?

I know you can spin the tires on street tires for sure and do a "Burnout" What do you think about doing it and keeping the car in place while your foot is on the break and really smoke them up?
Old 08-20-2011, 02:19 PM
  #48  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
propain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: NY
Posts: 3,974
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
See Sig
Originally Posted by brad @ evosport
All you need is a line lock kit and you can get any tire up to temp!
There ya go.. a line lock would do the trick for sure.
Old 08-20-2011, 06:17 PM
  #49  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
Sincity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Vegas and Vancouver, BC
Posts: 5,974
Received 16 Likes on 14 Posts
.
Originally Posted by ecampbell
I could be wrong but I think those are two black series at las vegas speedway from last night.
I didn't see any BSs last night...........
Old 08-20-2011, 09:38 PM
  #50  
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
MB_Forever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: California, USA
Posts: 9,137
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes on 4 Posts
E63 P30, CL500 Sport
Based on multiple personal experiences with the MCT that is found in 2009-2010 SL63s and 2010-2011 W212 E63s, the MCT was heating up extremely quickly causing a reduction in power and/or limp mode specifically when attempting to perform a long burnout with drag radials. I think the drag radials were applying too much torque load to the tranny's internals causing it to heat up. In addition, at the AMG Academy, the MCT in the W212 E63s and SL63s was going in limp mode after 2 to 3 laps in Manual mode at Laguna Seca... so not even in a drag race environment.

Please note though that the case maybe different for the MCT that is found in the new twin turbo applications (Mercedes may have beffed up the internals to handle the extra torque) As propain stated, we will only find out after many cars are sold and some owners take them to the track and report back.

Last edited by MB_Forever; 08-20-2011 at 09:55 PM.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:
You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: Weistec Stg 1 vs. Gintani stg 3



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:13 PM.