Is C63 Really Worth $70k?
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A C350 is worth 45k.
A 63 adds
- engine
- suspension
- extra wide bodywork
- I understand the chassis is widened a li'l bit in front to accommodate the 6.2.
- transmission - to handle all that torque.
- tuning - that sexy sound is not being emitted by the stereo system
- testing - all this needs to work seamlessly for decades.
Its not as simple as outsourcing the engine and installing along with other components.
Lot of R&D goes behind many components. Besides the cost of parts, you pay for a lot of R&D as well.
You need to compare it with other performance sedans to come in terms with how cheap the C63 is.
Gotta pay to Play. And everyone knows that.
A 63 adds
- engine
- suspension
- extra wide bodywork
- I understand the chassis is widened a li'l bit in front to accommodate the 6.2.
- transmission - to handle all that torque.
- tuning - that sexy sound is not being emitted by the stereo system
- testing - all this needs to work seamlessly for decades.
Its not as simple as outsourcing the engine and installing along with other components.
Lot of R&D goes behind many components. Besides the cost of parts, you pay for a lot of R&D as well.
You need to compare it with other performance sedans to come in terms with how cheap the C63 is.
Gotta pay to Play. And everyone knows that.
Big brake kit front and back: $5000
High flow cats and exhaust (left and right) $3000
AMG rims and tires $4000
sports suspension and tuning $1000+
AMG steering wheel $600
Recaro sport seats (fronts) $3000
two stage air intake/filters $1000
engine oil cooler, bigger radiator, bigger battery $1000?
AMG/EDO 200MPH odometer/RaceTimer $500?
AMG academy basic course $1600
(I also got a $100 gift card to Sax)
(AMG emblems from ebay $20)
6.3 engine, transmission - priceless, but shared with other AMGs to save costs. I suppose you could get a brabus engine or a 6.3 from a wrecked car. but it won't fit in the C350 engine bay. I don't believe they make a turbo or SC for the C350.
even then, you don't get a C63 AMG. because everything is tested and tuned for thousands of hours to achieve the right balance of comfort and performance. plus factory warranty. don't forget the awesome TV ads.
#278
You could take a C350 sport, then add:
Big brake kit front and back: $5000
High flow cats and exhaust (left and right) $3000
AMG rims and tires $4000
sports suspension and tuning $1000+
AMG steering wheel $600
Recaro sport seats (fronts) $3000
two stage air intake/filters $1000
engine oil cooler, bigger radiator, bigger battery $1000?
AMG/EDO 200MPH odometer/RaceTimer $500?
AMG academy basic course $1600
(I also got a $100 gift card to Sax)
(AMG emblems from ebay $20)
6.3 engine, transmission - priceless, but shared with other AMGs to save costs. I suppose you could get a brabus engine or a 6.3 from a wrecked car. but it won't fit in the C350 engine bay. I don't believe they make a turbo or SC for the C350.
even then, you don't get a C63 AMG. because everything is tested and tuned for thousands of hours to achieve the right balance of comfort and performance. plus factory warranty. don't forget the awesome TV ads.
Big brake kit front and back: $5000
High flow cats and exhaust (left and right) $3000
AMG rims and tires $4000
sports suspension and tuning $1000+
AMG steering wheel $600
Recaro sport seats (fronts) $3000
two stage air intake/filters $1000
engine oil cooler, bigger radiator, bigger battery $1000?
AMG/EDO 200MPH odometer/RaceTimer $500?
AMG academy basic course $1600
(I also got a $100 gift card to Sax)
(AMG emblems from ebay $20)
6.3 engine, transmission - priceless, but shared with other AMGs to save costs. I suppose you could get a brabus engine or a 6.3 from a wrecked car. but it won't fit in the C350 engine bay. I don't believe they make a turbo or SC for the C350.
even then, you don't get a C63 AMG. because everything is tested and tuned for thousands of hours to achieve the right balance of comfort and performance. plus factory warranty. don't forget the awesome TV ads.
You forgot that MB / AMG moved the engine a few mm back to make for a better chassis. They also widened the front to make the beast fit.
Don't forget to add the labor for all that. And be SOL out of luck when anything breaks.
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I was happy to cough up $70K for the CTS-V Coupe because it puts up where the C63 shuts up. 556 horsepower vs 485 (P31), 285 rear tires vs 255 rear tires, magnetorheological shocks vs...? For less than the price of a loaded C63 you can have a car that will walk the C63 nearly as bad as the new E63 5.5 Biturbo, and with which it is easy to achieve 650-700hp with some minor mods. I just don't see how the two compete if you're a true enthusiast and not just hungry for badge recognition.
Though I still want a C63 because I'm less and less worried about besting the local rich arab/chinese kids, and more worried about class and quality. However, with all these recent threads about how the '12 C63 has severe interior rattles, I may hang on to the V until the '14 M3/M4 is out, my 335i had impeccable interior quality.
Though I still want a C63 because I'm less and less worried about besting the local rich arab/chinese kids, and more worried about class and quality. However, with all these recent threads about how the '12 C63 has severe interior rattles, I may hang on to the V until the '14 M3/M4 is out, my 335i had impeccable interior quality.
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My car was ordered in April 2008, when even the ordering guide was somewhat of a mystery to the sales department. Truth be told my wife initiated the process but had ordered a black car which I was not about to have to maintain. After having the salesman line up several different color C300's it was Mars Red all the way. At that time I was sure the car was worth the $65,000 or so that I was paying sight unseen with no discount available other than a package of 5 service visits for $1,000.(still have one left)
Now 4 years later, I am certain of the car's "value". It has been the most enjoyable car that I have ever owned, far surpassing any previous M car, Vette and even my 78 Trans Am which I had regretted letting go for over 20 years until the "Red Rocket" came along.
The car has been virtually trouble free, interior is pristine and sounds like a vault going down the highway unless you wake the beast, still functions as a daily for my wife who absolutely adores the WOT experience and refuses to let me quiet down the car so we can take it to AMP in December.
Over the years the car has seen its share of enhancements both cosmetic and performance related.
Tune and headers came early taking performance to the realm of much more expensive cars.
Quaife differential , H&R springs, 2 Piece rotors, track pads, Sparco seat and a set of Forgestars with DOT slicks elevated it's road course capabilty. It is still much too heavy to be considered a "track car" but it has kicked butt in the HPDE world up too but not including the expert run group.
Dad's carbon hood and DTM style bumper give the car a unique look that again elevates the car for many people. I see people taking pictures as they drive by on a regular basis including this clip I found from someone else on You Tube.
More important than everything else is the fact that through this car I have met so many new enthusiast friends including Keith and many others. My entire social circle evolved as this new group of friends began to occupy more and more of that most valuable commodity: "time". In my mind this car is "priceless" based on the 4 years of enjoyment and experiences that came about from making this purchase with many more still to come.![thumbs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
PS. Nothing like "dancing" with a friend at 100mph![drive](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/driving.gif)
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Now 4 years later, I am certain of the car's "value". It has been the most enjoyable car that I have ever owned, far surpassing any previous M car, Vette and even my 78 Trans Am which I had regretted letting go for over 20 years until the "Red Rocket" came along.
The car has been virtually trouble free, interior is pristine and sounds like a vault going down the highway unless you wake the beast, still functions as a daily for my wife who absolutely adores the WOT experience and refuses to let me quiet down the car so we can take it to AMP in December.
Over the years the car has seen its share of enhancements both cosmetic and performance related.
Tune and headers came early taking performance to the realm of much more expensive cars.
Quaife differential , H&R springs, 2 Piece rotors, track pads, Sparco seat and a set of Forgestars with DOT slicks elevated it's road course capabilty. It is still much too heavy to be considered a "track car" but it has kicked butt in the HPDE world up too but not including the expert run group.
Dad's carbon hood and DTM style bumper give the car a unique look that again elevates the car for many people. I see people taking pictures as they drive by on a regular basis including this clip I found from someone else on You Tube.
More important than everything else is the fact that through this car I have met so many new enthusiast friends including Keith and many others. My entire social circle evolved as this new group of friends began to occupy more and more of that most valuable commodity: "time". In my mind this car is "priceless" based on the 4 years of enjoyment and experiences that came about from making this purchase with many more still to come.
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PS. Nothing like "dancing" with a friend at 100mph
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see below.....
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The people who buys C63 doesn't care what anybody thinks if C63 looks like the normal C-class. Sure, it's a poor mans luxury car with cheap materials all over, but performance and awesome exhaust notes are enough to justify the price tag.
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2012 C63 PP, 2012 X3
I don't regret it. Great value up here in Canada.
In Canada, a C63C with the performance package plus (P31 + LSD) and premium package (or whatever it's called, all the electronic gizmos) is around $83-4K and a fully loaded M3C with M-DCT is ~$87K.
So, in the C&D test where the C63 lost on price in the U.S., it would win up here!
In Canada, a C63C with the performance package plus (P31 + LSD) and premium package (or whatever it's called, all the electronic gizmos) is around $83-4K and a fully loaded M3C with M-DCT is ~$87K.
So, in the C&D test where the C63 lost on price in the U.S., it would win up here!
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(a)'12 C63 P/P, LSD, 19" m/spoke,comfort pack. (b)Astra SRI.
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G'Day from Oz.
Is the C63 worth $70K...FOR SURE, it is........because here in Australia (and remember that $ for $ we are around parity at the moment!), you'll pay around $180K+ for a C63 with a few options.
So, I guess my question is, how many of you guys would pay $180K!!!?
Cheers, Pickles.
Is the C63 worth $70K...FOR SURE, it is........because here in Australia (and remember that $ for $ we are around parity at the moment!), you'll pay around $180K+ for a C63 with a few options.
So, I guess my question is, how many of you guys would pay $180K!!!?
Cheers, Pickles.
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2012 C63 PP, 2012 X3
G'Day from Oz.
Is the C63 worth $70K...FOR SURE, it is........because here in Australia (and remember that $ for $ we are around parity at the moment!), you'll pay around $180K+ for a C63 with a few options.
So, I guess my question is, how many of you guys would pay $180K!!!?
Cheers, Pickles.
Is the C63 worth $70K...FOR SURE, it is........because here in Australia (and remember that $ for $ we are around parity at the moment!), you'll pay around $180K+ for a C63 with a few options.
So, I guess my question is, how many of you guys would pay $180K!!!?
Cheers, Pickles.
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YES its worth it!! if i can afford it at that price sure! but i can't.. so i have to wait for a few years and save up for downpayment and wait for the right time, right price and right car with the options i wanted. Got one pre-owned and enjoyed it for about a month now.
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We have a winner for the most ignorant post of the year.
Most vehicles by both MB and GM and toyota and Suzuki for that matter, are all rated by NHSTA at exceeding the current standards of safety. If what matters is, how much they exceed it by even please don't tell me MB is up top - top 5 ? okay yeah.. This is not 1975 that the mercedes is top safety pick. Many smaller chepaer cars have twice as many airbags. Nots aying that makes them any better, but safety a priority as if GM wasnt doing its hare selling millions each year?
And trust me we pay about 15% mark up just for the name - MB knows that - everybody knows that..
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Ding Ding Ding.
We have a winner for the most ignorant post of the year.
Most vehicles by both MB and GM and toyota and Suzuki for that matter, are all rated by NHSTA at exceeding the current standards of safety. If what matters is, how much they exceed it by even please don't tell me MB is up top - top 5 ? okay yeah.. This is not 1975 that the mercedes is top safety pick. Many smaller chepaer cars have twice as many airbags. Nots aying that makes them any better, but safety a priority as if GM wasnt doing its hare selling millions each year?
And trust me we pay about 15% mark up just for the name - MB knows that - everybody knows that..
We have a winner for the most ignorant post of the year.
Most vehicles by both MB and GM and toyota and Suzuki for that matter, are all rated by NHSTA at exceeding the current standards of safety. If what matters is, how much they exceed it by even please don't tell me MB is up top - top 5 ? okay yeah.. This is not 1975 that the mercedes is top safety pick. Many smaller chepaer cars have twice as many airbags. Nots aying that makes them any better, but safety a priority as if GM wasnt doing its hare selling millions each year?
And trust me we pay about 15% mark up just for the name - MB knows that - everybody knows that..
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Ding Ding Ding.
We have a winner for the most ignorant post of the year.
Most vehicles by both MB and GM and toyota and Suzuki for that matter, are all rated by NHSTA at exceeding the current standards of safety. If what matters is, how much they exceed it by even please don't tell me MB is up top - top 5 ? okay yeah.. This is not 1975 that the mercedes is top safety pick. Many smaller chepaer cars have twice as many airbags. Nots aying that makes them any better, but safety a priority as if GM wasnt doing its hare selling millions each year?
And trust me we pay about 15% mark up just for the name - MB knows that - everybody knows that..
We have a winner for the most ignorant post of the year.
Most vehicles by both MB and GM and toyota and Suzuki for that matter, are all rated by NHSTA at exceeding the current standards of safety. If what matters is, how much they exceed it by even please don't tell me MB is up top - top 5 ? okay yeah.. This is not 1975 that the mercedes is top safety pick. Many smaller chepaer cars have twice as many airbags. Nots aying that makes them any better, but safety a priority as if GM wasnt doing its hare selling millions each year?
And trust me we pay about 15% mark up just for the name - MB knows that - everybody knows that..
#294
Wake up and smell the coffee. The world has changed. American cars are not number one any more. Find out why GM failed. Toyota quality has declined as well. Get educated before making your comments. Standards are measurement for meeting minimum requirements. We make purchases based on how we define quality to us....not NHSTA.
Reading comprehension > you.
Wake up and smell the coffee? Says the guy who claims that he bought a Mercedes over a GM cause of blatant concerns of safety. I appreciate your Mercedes following. I myself have 3 in the garage, but that doesn't mean I diss any and every other brand claiming that Mercedes is the safest brand. Fact: it's not.
And I wouldn't say GM is not safe.
Wake up and stop living under the cave. It's not 1970s that Mercedes is the end all in safety. World has caught up. Yes Mercedes innovated many many techs and brought them to mainstream production cara and we all pay for that. But all that tech is found in 99% cars manufactured today. Learn how to call a spade a spade.
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Old threads being bumped. To answer the question, I think so. As an auto enthusiast who can appreciates everything automotive but has some gripes, I think both the M3 and the C63 are worth it. Both cars have their own special characteristics, which makes them special in their own way. Both vehicles enabling you to get your foot into the performance world without(completely) breaking the bank. You'll be craving more by the time you're done with either of the cars.
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1990 500SL-2002 C230 Coupe-2012 c250 Sedan SOLD-2012 C63 Coupe
Mostly looking at a Z06, CTS-V or a Porsche.
Did my research and ended up with a C63 coupe. The CTS-V was actually the worst choice for me in the coupe because of the visibility and drivetrain although the power itself was nice out of the box.
I like nice complete packages like the Ford Boss 302 for example which I prefer over the GT500 which is also a nice go fast car but definately not my style. It just has to fit you.
Did my research and ended up with a C63 coupe. The CTS-V was actually the worst choice for me in the coupe because of the visibility and drivetrain although the power itself was nice out of the box.
I like nice complete packages like the Ford Boss 302 for example which I prefer over the GT500 which is also a nice go fast car but definately not my style. It just has to fit you.
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Man... its such a slap in the face when disclosed prices of vehicles in US and UK are ridiculously cheaper than in the asian-pacific / oceanic region. Living in Sydney i'm appalled with the prices we have paid for our cars. i.e AUD168k for a 2007 RS4 and don't even get me started on the price an acquaintance of mine paid for his C63 AMG in south east asia equivalent to USD167k.
IMO that was silly because i would have gotten a 2nd hand GTR and forked up a lil to alliterate almost everything on the road but its a matter of preference and how deep your pockets are.
So in short i'd say USD70k - USD80k is pretty decent.
IMO that was silly because i would have gotten a 2nd hand GTR and forked up a lil to alliterate almost everything on the road but its a matter of preference and how deep your pockets are.
So in short i'd say USD70k - USD80k is pretty decent.
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