Evo Mag C63 coupe new comparo vs M-3,Audi,Boss 302
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Damn, most of those guys are just brand ******. I am sure a lot of opinions would change once they actually drive a C63. I am currently in the market for an additional car, and I've driven the new M3 a few times too many -- it's impressive, but I still feel the C63 is a better DD. I don't want two C63's in my garage, so I will purchase a M3 and sell the C63 once the black series becomes available here.
That article is so full of sh*t it's not funny, I wonder how much journalists and editors get paid under the table to publish this kind of bull.
That article is so full of sh*t it's not funny, I wonder how much journalists and editors get paid under the table to publish this kind of bull.
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While tires play a big roll when it comes to lap times, in this case it's not the only thing that makes the M3 a better car around a track. Even with wider fenders in the rear to fit bigger wheels and tires, the M3's more dynamic suspension, steering, transmission and lighter weight is just better suited for a track than the C63. Most likely this M3 was equipped with the "competition package", which further improves handling and subsequent lap times.
Both cars are great. They just have different characteristics. For the street, especially in traffic, I think the C63 is a more fun car than the M3 ...... and for people that want both handling and torque, AMG offers the Black Series.
Both cars are great. They just have different characteristics. For the street, especially in traffic, I think the C63 is a more fun car than the M3 ...... and for people that want both handling and torque, AMG offers the Black Series.
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While tires play a big roll when it comes to lap times, in this case it's not the only thing that makes the M3 a better car around a track. Even with wider fenders in the rear to fit bigger wheels and tires, the M3's more dynamic suspension, steering, transmission and lighter weight is just better suited for a track than the C63. Most likely this M3 was equipped with the "competition package", which further improves handling and subsequent lap times.
Both cars are great. They just have different characteristics. For the street, especially in traffic, I think the C63 is a more fun car than the M3 ...... and for people that want both handling and torque, AMG offers the Black Series.
Both cars are great. They just have different characteristics. For the street, especially in traffic, I think the C63 is a more fun car than the M3 ...... and for people that want both handling and torque, AMG offers the Black Series.
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Disapointing review. Could have made a difference if they'd had a car fitted with LSD. Oh well...
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Miserly mpg, exhibitionist torque (i.e. Q5 TDI)
Most of these comparos miss the main point entirely. The meaningful question is not "which of these is best on a track in perfect conditions." The meaningful question is "which of these is the most rewarding in every day life, on real public roads?" I've driven the M3 and it is a lovely car -- especially if you want a traditional manual. But to me the c63 was a no-brainer for my urban existence due to its superior low end torque, power, and personality.
I will openly concede the M3 is a better track car -- it's lighter on it's feet. That's why it usually wins the comparos. But if you want a track car, why are you buying any of these? Get a Porsche or Lotus or a used GTR for roughly the same price.
I will openly concede the M3 is a better track car -- it's lighter on it's feet. That's why it usually wins the comparos. But if you want a track car, why are you buying any of these? Get a Porsche or Lotus or a used GTR for roughly the same price.
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Most of these comparos miss the main point entirely. The meaningful question is not "which of these is best on a track in perfect conditions." The meaningful question is "which of these is the most rewarding in every day life, on real public roads?" I've driven the M3 and it is a lovely car -- especially if you want a traditional manual. But to me the c63 was a no-brainer for my urban existence due to its superior low end torque, power, and personality.
I will openly concede the M3 is a better track car -- it's lighter on it's feet. That's why it usually wins the comparos. But if you want a track car, why are you buying any of these? Get a Porsche or Lotus or a used GTR for roughly the same price.
I will openly concede the M3 is a better track car -- it's lighter on it's feet. That's why it usually wins the comparos. But if you want a track car, why are you buying any of these? Get a Porsche or Lotus or a used GTR for roughly the same price.
Personally, I like the 63 better because of the engine, exhaust, and looks. I've never driven the M3, but I believe it is a better handling car -- which I would appreciate, even in daily driving -- mainly because of its curb weight and the appearance of its stance. It looks more poised than C63. Then factor in the DCT and/or manual and you can see how it wins the in the trans department.
The M3 must be a blast to drive, but I don't like their style. I hate their steering wheels.
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i really like the c63 reeeealy liken the new black series. but the driver of the 302 needs to be fired, 13 sec 1/4. really.. seriously. what? was he "double clutching" lol.and how is it the 0-120 time does not make sense in light of the 1/4 mile time and speed.
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Most of these comparos miss the main point entirely. The meaningful question is not "which of these is best on a track in perfect conditions." The meaningful question is "which of these is the most rewarding in every day life, on real public roads?" I've driven the M3 and it is a lovely car -- especially if you want a traditional manual. But to me the c63 was a no-brainer for my urban existence due to its superior low end torque, power, and personality.
I will openly concede the M3 is a better track car -- it's lighter on it's feet. That's why it usually wins the comparos. But if you want a track car, why are you buying any of these? Get a Porsche or Lotus or a used GTR for roughly the same price.
I will openly concede the M3 is a better track car -- it's lighter on it's feet. That's why it usually wins the comparos. But if you want a track car, why are you buying any of these? Get a Porsche or Lotus or a used GTR for roughly the same price.
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In part of the article the writer mentioned that the day of the testing was slippery, more so then the day before and the day after. But, I agree, the 302 was driven to some poor times. It's more capable than those results show.
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Most of these comparos miss the main point entirely. The meaningful question is not "which of these is best on a track in perfect conditions." The meaningful question is "which of these is the most rewarding in every day life, on real public roads?" I've driven the M3 and it is a lovely car -- especially if you want a traditional manual. But to me the c63 was a no-brainer for my urban existence due to its superior low end torque, power, and personality.
I will openly concede the M3 is a better track car -- it's lighter on it's feet. That's why it usually wins the comparos. But if you want a track car, why are you buying any of these? Get a Porsche or Lotus or a used GTR for roughly the same price.
I will openly concede the M3 is a better track car -- it's lighter on it's feet. That's why it usually wins the comparos. But if you want a track car, why are you buying any of these? Get a Porsche or Lotus or a used GTR for roughly the same price.
In the end his car is right for him and the C63 Coupe was right for me and we just leave it at that since we are both happy, with stuff like this there should be no right and wrong.
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Thats why I dont buy these types of mags anymore, they are just like the network TV news and they all have their own private agenda.
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The tool who posted the thread is on MBWORLD too.
Guy has buyers remorse and cognitive dissonance out of the ***, he needs constant verification of his car.
So the test got 4.3 once out of say 20 times? Maybe it was a V-Box error, which happens all the time.
This guy thinks BMW is building some kind of intergalactic space crafts aha
Guy has buyers remorse and cognitive dissonance out of the ***, he needs constant verification of his car.
So the test got 4.3 once out of say 20 times? Maybe it was a V-Box error, which happens all the time.
This guy thinks BMW is building some kind of intergalactic space crafts aha
Since when is one a tool for posting a thread?
Anyway, I've praised the C63 AMG time and time again on those boards. With that said, the M3 and the C63 are two completely different animals.
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With the generation winding down and the prices falling, you'll get young kids who will buy these cars and all a 16 year old sees is the badge. Happens to every auto maker, every generation.
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Oh my god so much crying here it's ridiculous.
Suck it up guys, until Mercedes gets a grip and puts more R&D into suspension development, and wakes up and decides to cut a few inches of trunk space to put a proper wheel well in the rear of their cars, the M3 is going to whoop that *** every time.
Evo is one of the best car mags out there, trying to debunk them is ridiculous and childish.
Suck it up guys, until Mercedes gets a grip and puts more R&D into suspension development, and wakes up and decides to cut a few inches of trunk space to put a proper wheel well in the rear of their cars, the M3 is going to whoop that *** every time.
Evo is one of the best car mags out there, trying to debunk them is ridiculous and childish.
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Seems to me that it was a pretty close result with the C63 coupe being almost a toss up with the M3. Probably the best result yet. I think this is great news for the Merc because the small difference would likely not be noticed by most and the decision would come down to personal preference (more torque in the C63 vs. slightly better handling in the M3).
What the Merc has on the M3 in spades is the interior style and finish. Also, with the P31 package and LSD and extra power, maybe the result would be different. In Canada, the C63 coupe is a good $10,000 less than the M3 when fully loaded including the P31 package.
In my opinion (and I own an M3) this is a win for the C63 coupe. Get the P31 package and throw some wider and better tires (Conti tires aren't great IMO) on the car and the result would have been different AND the car would still be $8,000 less even with the extra rubber.
IMO, the cars are neck and neck and the difference comes down to specific nuances that each person prefers about one car versus the other.
What the Merc has on the M3 in spades is the interior style and finish. Also, with the P31 package and LSD and extra power, maybe the result would be different. In Canada, the C63 coupe is a good $10,000 less than the M3 when fully loaded including the P31 package.
In my opinion (and I own an M3) this is a win for the C63 coupe. Get the P31 package and throw some wider and better tires (Conti tires aren't great IMO) on the car and the result would have been different AND the car would still be $8,000 less even with the extra rubber.
IMO, the cars are neck and neck and the difference comes down to specific nuances that each person prefers about one car versus the other.
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I finally opened up my new EVO magazine to read the article this morning on the throne and then promptly used it to wipe my *** with.
Also a bummer the RS5 is getting such bad reviews, I was excited about it.
Also a bummer the RS5 is getting such bad reviews, I was excited about it.
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I haven't seen one good review for the RS5 outside of it's good looks.
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Oh my god so much crying here it's ridiculous.
Suck it up guys, until Mercedes gets a grip and puts more R&D into suspension development, and wakes up and decides to cut a few inches of trunk space to put a proper wheel well in the rear of their cars, the M3 is going to whoop that *** every time.
Evo is one of the best car mags out there, trying to debunk them is ridiculous and childish.
Suck it up guys, until Mercedes gets a grip and puts more R&D into suspension development, and wakes up and decides to cut a few inches of trunk space to put a proper wheel well in the rear of their cars, the M3 is going to whoop that *** every time.
Evo is one of the best car mags out there, trying to debunk them is ridiculous and childish.
I've owned both cars and I think the EVO reviews are head-on. DD car to me is the C63 but M3 is still a better track car.
