mei35inted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZKsWhpa73k

fail! RELIABILITY

gthal

Don't get me wrong... the M3 forums are MUCH worse than MBWorld in most ways but I do think the GTR gets more respect for some reason there than here. Maybe I'm wrong but that was my perspective. I do think the M3 has WAY more blind fanboys than the C63.

gthal

Don't know where you get your reliability stats but Mercedes is at or near the bottom of luxury brands for reliability. Lexus, Porsche, Infiniti, Acura are all better with BMW, Audi and Mercedes following after. I'm not saying they aren't reliable but they are not as reliable as other luxury brands.

Here is a cut and paste from Consumer Reports reliability ranking for 2010... MB is no where near the top. That unreliable Nissan is... wait for it... MORE reliable than MB

Reliability Rankings for 2010 Car Brands (parent company in parentheses)
1. Scion (Toyota)
2. Honda
3. Toyota
4. Infiniti (Nissan)
5. Acura (Honda)
6. Mitsubishi
7. Lexus (Toyota)
8. Hyundai
9. Porsche
10. Mercury (Ford)
11. Saab
12. Subaru
13. Suzuki
14. Kia
15. Mazda
16. Ford
17. Nissan
18. Volvo
19. Buick (General Motors)
20. Lincoln (Ford)
21. Volkswagen
22. Pontiac (General Motors) - defunct by 2011
23. Mercedes-Benz
24. Audi (Volkswagen)
25. Chevrolet (General Motors)
26. BMW
27. Mini (BMW)
28. GMC (General Motors)
29. Saturn (General Motors) - defunct by 2011
30. Jeep (Chrysler)
31. Dodge (Chrysler)
32. Cadillac (General Motors)
33. Chrysler

-=Hot|Ice=-

Times change bud. That's from last year. MB is slowly working it's way up and can hang with the best of them really.

gthal

Don't get me wrong... not suggesting that MB isn't reliable. I'm just pointing out that the brand isn't perfect and has its own share of problems... like any other brand other than the select elite few. There are lots of other articles you can find online that suggest MB reliability has declined. Again, I'm NOT saying it is bad by any stretch just trying to straighten out a few fanboys who don't see the reality that all cars... including MB... can and do have reliability issues . When someone says the MB is the "most reliable car in the world" as was quoted above, I can't let that pass witout correction.

P.S. HotIce, didn't you also question MB reliability


And for the record... I do prefer the C63 over a GTR for a variety of reasons (luxury, comfort, practicality, looks, interior design, sound, etc) but it annoys me when people can't see past a badge.

-=Hot|Ice=-

I just corrected the info that was given. The're no longer at the "bottom of the list". MB isn't great but I'd place them in the 'good' category.I can't call them 'reliable'. 'Somewhat reliable' is more like it. I know how you feel, it's annoying when people see the badge and think it's gods gift to man.

mei35inted

your an idiot. Nissans are just cheap and if you can't see that, then you need your eyes checked! I spend most of my time on the road not on a track (everyone on this forum spends more time on a road then track). I want my car to be a great all around car and a Nissan GTR is extremely far from that.

mei35inted

do your research boy! the nerve of people man, you don't have enough metals on your jacket to address me boy! fall back into formation, ya'll out of line!

LawRens

hmmm...

-=Hot|Ice=-

The GT-R does great on the road. Sure the diff and transmission clunk but it's a supercar. It's to be expected. They are improving it with every year.

How did this turn into a C63 vs GT-R debate?

GBlansten

It's like an irony bonanza in here.

mei35inted

you're. and this isn't a c63c gtr debate someone just got butt hurt over someone saying a Nissan is still a Nissan. This is a Mercedes Benz forum anyone talking about anything other should get lost.

-=Hot|Ice=-

dkhm3

Let's get the facts straight:
In terms of the track and every single other performance number the GT-R kicks C63 ***.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

In terms of luxury / reliability/ seats 4 , blah, blah- its SUBJECTIVE! so spend your money where you like it. but don't call the Nissan a bad car just because u think it needs more luxury or it is just a Nissan!

Here's one more thing the Nissan beats us in- Rate of Depreciation! The car holds its value with the best of them. I've been waiting to get one, but those darn things are still at 65k-70k used!

gthal

I'm a lot of things and maybe an idiot is one of them but if we consider idiocy on a relative basis to those people around us, then there is really only one idiot here and it isn't me. How old are you? 16? Your Mommy and Daddy should have done a better job teaching you manners.

Let the grown ups here have the discussion, son, and you can keep the trolling to other forums where your little friends hang out... you know, teenacne.com or something

F355C5

I'll just bet you have drivens lots of GTR's to make that ( etch this in stone) statement about the GTR. Someone is an idiot for sure.

Vic55

Thanks for this... Ryan this is an automotive forum that focuses on Mercedes but also discusses its competition. What do you think is the title of this thread???

We respect all opinions here- we understand you dont like the GTR. I love Benzes, I love my GTR, and other cars too. When valid points are made we take them and have a good discussion about Benzes AND other cars.

But dont come here and call people idiots. Trust me, your opinion or not, I will ban you if you dissrespect other members.

hhughes1

Tends to happen when kids get unauthorized access to their parent's computer.

propain

80g two door? Give me a Z06. Mid 11@125 stock and handles better than both.

PGT

Z06 is a terrible daily driver. hell, a stock vette is

mei35inted

I've driven multiple GTR's since they came to the states. My buddy owns one and hates it. They're cool if your a little kid. They have no class or anything. Talk to someone real about cars and they'll have a great laugh about the GTR. They are built for speed and lap times, nothing more or less. Turn the traction control off and it nullifies the warranty by uploading it in to the cars computer. The car has a remarkable price but to get the best lap times out of it when I drove it left me unhappy. It's fallen into the ugly fire and hit with sledgehammers.

gthal

Couple of things... the warranty issue was for abusing launch control not for turning off traction control. No longer a concern as confirmed by Nissan so this is a non issue.

Ugly is subjective... opinions vary.

If you are buying a sports car for "class" and "image" then a GTR may not be for everyone. If you are into speed, handling and track performance then the car is hard to beat anywhere near the price. As a DD there are better options (C63 IMO) but for a track or weekend only car we have a different opinion on the GTR. But... if impressing the Jones' is the most important characteristic of a car and the Jones' aren't true car enthusiasts (i.e. they are badge enthusiasts only) then maybe the GTR is a poor choice.

dkhm3

+1 definitely a few people here that is drunk off the mercedes benz marketing kool aid.

jafores

Going back to the Thread title, I have been reading CD for over 30 years and I must say that they have always had a bias for BMW. When I read MB BM comparos I take them for what it is written with bias.

I too have a bias otherwise I wouldn’t be human right? Hell this is a MB forum we all should have a bias. IMHO there is a big difference between Bias and refusing to acknowledge a competitors strengths and one’s own weakness. that’s called immaturity

jarjoug

That was uncalled for!