ESS Supercharger
12-23-2011, 08:45 AM
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I contacted ESS to ask them when their SC is due. They told me that they are starting beta testing and it should be out by spring. They asked if i'd be willing to join the beta test. Sounds kinda risky? What do you think? Based on the numbers the M3's get with their supercharger it should give quite the kick 
Does the exhaust note change with the SC?
Does the exhaust note change with the SC?
12-23-2011, 10:19 AM
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what I dont understand is that ESS has been dedicated to BMW tuning + SCing since 1995 , that's 16 years !
what happened so they add MB to their dictionary , lemme see ur ideas
what I dont understand is that ESS has been dedicated to BMW tuning + SCing since 1995 , that's 16 years !
what happened so they add MB to their dictionary , lemme see ur ideas
12-23-2011, 11:27 AM
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Probably just huge untapped potential. It's not like there is a myriad of MB SC's available, whereas beemer already has two large actors, G-Power and ESS, and probably some others i don't know about.
But the fact remains that it's a beta version, ie experimental. They offer a 2 year engine warranty, not tranny. This would probably be negotiable though. How much is the car reselling price affected by a SC?
But the fact remains that it's a beta version, ie experimental. They offer a 2 year engine warranty, not tranny. This would probably be negotiable though. How much is the car reselling price affected by a SC?
12-23-2011, 01:06 PM
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This all depends on the long term reliability of the products used.. You instantly void any warranty on any part of your drive train, that will have a serious negative impact on the resale value of your car.
I would however be worried about the transmission problems that could arise, I believe it was DADS C63 who has blown a few transmissions...
I would however be worried about the transmission problems that could arise, I believe it was DADS C63 who has blown a few transmissions...
12-23-2011, 01:11 PM
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Yeah..theh are offering a 2 year engine warranty but i doubt the tranny is covered. everything is negotiable though...i think. still worried about the whole beta thing
12-23-2011, 01:14 PM
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Well, let me put it another way.. insurance aside...
If you were to wreck and total the vehicle.. would you be able to just go out and buy another car (there are some people on the boards with that capability.. I am not one of them).
But, if I was to play beta tester, that would be the question I would ask myself. If the answer was no, then I would have to steer clear of the modifications and let some one else beta test..
If you were to wreck and total the vehicle.. would you be able to just go out and buy another car (there are some people on the boards with that capability.. I am not one of them).
But, if I was to play beta tester, that would be the question I would ask myself. If the answer was no, then I would have to steer clear of the modifications and let some one else beta test..
12-23-2011, 01:21 PM
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Well, let me put it another way.. insurance aside...
If you were to wreck and total the vehicle.. would you be able to just go out and buy another car (there are some people on the boards with that capability.. I am not one of them).
But, if I was to play beta tester, that would be the question I would ask myself. If the answer was no, then I would have to steer clear of the modifications and let some one else beta test..
If you were to wreck and total the vehicle.. would you be able to just go out and buy another car (there are some people on the boards with that capability.. I am not one of them).
But, if I was to play beta tester, that would be the question I would ask myself. If the answer was no, then I would have to steer clear of the modifications and let some one else beta test..
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12-23-2011, 01:37 PM
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This all depends on the long term reliability of the products used.. You instantly void any warranty on any part of your drive train, that will have a serious negative impact on the resale value of your car.
I would however be worried about the transmission problems that could arise, I believe it was DADS C63 who has blown a few transmissions...
I would however be worried about the transmission problems that could arise, I believe it was DADS C63 who has blown a few transmissions...
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To clarify a comment, I didn't blow up my tranny. In the "S" sport mode it was smoking the clutch packs with the nitrous. Since then we have learned that running in "M" manual mode it will change without a problem. Not sure why the line pressures may be different or the TCU limiters are not in effect in manual mode but it works perfectly fine in manual mode. Probably just gave away too much information but thats been our experience. Thats why I have been interested to see if the other "63" platform cars with the S/C would change gears at WOT with sticky tires in the auto mode. I've been told they do but no one has done it with slicks at WOT at a track other than jrcart and since he ran high 10's it may still shift at that level of power. I am still on the fence with the S/C deal because I road race my car soo much and I'm very concerned about heat soak
12-24-2011, 07:47 AM
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Probably some good stuff
But could you guys (if any of you are reading this) who have an SC installed tell me how you dared to take the leap? I'm just afraid of the different risks and they seem to by far outweigh the benefits, especially since our roads have a max limit of 120 kph, and tracking has so far not been tried.
But could you guys (if any of you are reading this) who have an SC installed tell me how you dared to take the leap? I'm just afraid of the different risks and they seem to by far outweigh the benefits, especially since our roads have a max limit of 120 kph, and tracking has so far not been tried.
12-24-2011, 07:50 AM
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A buddy of mine just had their stage 1 SC installed on his 03 M3. He some Dinan stuff on it already (cam, intake). Before the blower he made 265rwhp, after he is at 355 rwhp, can't recall tq #'s right now. Not a bad improvement for a <5 psi setup.
However, when I can drop a tune on the C63 and take from 451 to 540 at the crank, it seems a little like overkill to then put a blower on it.
Having been through a lot of grief with my V6 Mustang to get it to 400+ rwhp (3 blown motors and a lot of other stuff going wrong), I personally won't be putting a blower on my C63. A new tune - that's entirely possible tho
However, when I can drop a tune on the C63 and take from 451 to 540 at the crank, it seems a little like overkill to then put a blower on it.
Having been through a lot of grief with my V6 Mustang to get it to 400+ rwhp (3 blown motors and a lot of other stuff going wrong), I personally won't be putting a blower on my C63. A new tune - that's entirely possible tho
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12-24-2011, 09:50 AM
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A buddy of mine just had their stage 1 SC installed on his 03 M3. He some Dinan stuff on it already (cam, intake). Before the blower he made 265rwhp, after he is at 355 rwhp, can't recall ho tq #'s right now. Not a bad improvement for a <5 psi setup.
However, when I can drop a tune on the C63 and take from 451 to 540 at the crank, it seems a little like overkill to then put a blower on it.
Having been through a lot of grief with my V6 Mustang to get it to 400+ rwhp (3 blown motors and a lot of other stuff going wrong), I personally won't be putting a blower on my C63. A new tune - that's entirely ossible tho
However, when I can drop a tune on the C63 and take from 451 to 540 at the crank, it seems a little like overkill to then put a blower on it.
Having been through a lot of grief with my V6 Mustang to get it to 400+ rwhp (3 blown motors and a lot of other stuff going wrong), I personally won't be putting a blower on my C63. A new tune - that's entirely ossible tho
12-24-2011, 10:50 AM
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Probably some good stuff
But could you guys (if any of you are reading this) who have an SC installed tell me how you dared to take the leap? I'm just afraid of the different risks and they seem to by far outweigh the benefits, especially since our roads have a max limit of 120 kph, and tracking has so far not been tried.
But could you guys (if any of you are reading this) who have an SC installed tell me how you dared to take the leap? I'm just afraid of the different risks and they seem to by far outweigh the benefits, especially since our roads have a max limit of 120 kph, and tracking has so far not been tried.
If you are worried about warranty, to be quite honest you should wait for the product to be proven. If your engine gets blown up in the testing and it is a catastrophic failure, you could be looking at 30K to replace your engine.
Have a good xmas.
12-24-2011, 12:17 PM
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Not trying to scare anyone off - I'm sure they will start with a nice safe low psi setup. The Mustang was - as ecampbell so eloquently says - simply a toy to me. Helluva lot harder getting real power out of a V6 ford motor than a V8 MB motor I was running > 18 psi of boost and even on forged internals things can go bad sometimes.
As for the C63, it just seems somehow worng to me to take such a fine piece of engineering and slap a blower on it. As it is it's a helluva lot of fun to drive. The more I think about it the more likely I'll get it re-tuned, but beyond that just seems silly to me as a street car. For anyone looking to race the car - fill your boots man - I'm sure a forced induction MB 6.3L motor will make monstrous power with boost.
I was running > 18 psi of boost and even on forged internals things can go bad sometimes.As for the C63, it just seems somehow worng to me to take such a fine piece of engineering and slap a blower on it. As it is it's a helluva lot of fun to drive. The more I think about it the more likely I'll get it re-tuned, but beyond that just seems silly to me as a street car. For anyone looking to race the car - fill your boots man - I'm sure a forced induction MB 6.3L motor will make monstrous power with boost.
12-25-2011, 06:20 AM
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Dared to take a leap was easy...I wanted to try something very few had done. I take business risks and I guess by default this is an extension. My car is a toy and I have driven it less than 1,000 in the last 3 years and if something happened to it I would simply get something else (already have my eye on the sls black series coming out).
If you are worried about warranty, to be quite honest you should wait for the product to be proven. If your engine gets blown up in the testing and it is a catastrophic failure, you could be looking at 30K to replace your engine.
Have a good xmas.
If you are worried about warranty, to be quite honest you should wait for the product to be proven. If your engine gets blown up in the testing and it is a catastrophic failure, you could be looking at 30K to replace your engine.
Have a good xmas.
I envy you. However i am, very unfortunately i might add , not in the same situation. The C is my only car. Just can't afford to take the risk.
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