neliconcept

I've owned an e46 and have driven multiple amg cars. Traction control off. It's no joke. The amg cars are harder to control due to power. M cars are easier to manipulate. No offense m3 guys. But you are in a hornets nest

Das Geld 2

Them3guy what are you smoking?

Every AMG from 2003 except the SLK and CLK55 smokes you!

The new M5 can't be tuned anymore because the engine is already about to BLOW UP! The stock on is heat-soaked from 2 runs, what tune! haha

Das Geld 2

The 3 series is a girls car anyway!

TRYYM3

now we know who the true troll is

DuaneC63

They have a smaller motor complex

vessproms

Nope, this is not true. Some x6m boost up to 700hp which has the same motro with the new m5. But also on the new 5.5 TT amg, simply tune and exhaust can make it a beast

gthal

Everyone should just stop responding to TheM3Guy and TryyM3. By responding, they are getting EXACTLY what they want. They haven't even driven the C63 in any meaningful way (well, they may "claim" to have) and have no basis for a comparison other than fanboy fueled hype. They are just trying to get people upset and are being successful.

They sign up to post in this thread and have only posted here and everyone is letting them get under their skin

jarjoug

And no, stock for stock, the M3 will not pull on any C63. PP or none-PP.

rory breaker

This thread sucks, honestly. Coming from someone who has owned an E36, E46, C55, C63, and passed on the E92...

- FACT. The AMG's torque makes them MUCH more suitable for daily driving. For me, the C63 is the most fun car I've ever owned.
- FACT. The stock 2008 C63 is faster than the stock 2008 M3 in a straight line. Same goes for 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012.
- FACT. M3's deliver a much better "feel" of the road than the C63 or C55. There is just a connection there with the BMW that doesnt exist with the AMG. This isnt necessarily "handling", its just a feel, but BMW has this DOWN.
- FACT. The C63 can still outhandle most cars on the road and for 99.9999% of the drivers out there, you won't be able to find this cars limits intelligently.
- FACT. MANY folks in the M3 community are flat out *******s. I'll never forget going to my one and only M3 meet and hearing them all make fun of every car that drove by, making "my cars got vtec!" jokes, comparing the tint on their smoked headlamps and drooling over gutted racecars they know nothing mechanically/technically about. They think their stock E46's are race cars and the greatest thing on the road (generalization)
- FACT. The AMG crowd isnt much different, but much more mature. (generalization)
- FACT. They are both awesome cars and we're all lucky to own them.
- FACT. You all are wasting your time comparing hypotheticals and what-ifs of new models and their proposed mods. Hey a spaceship will smoke a rocketship in a race around Saturns rings as well.

OK that's all, sorry for the commercial break, off I go

hhughes1

Conversation Closed: Original Post could not be better proven than this meaningless comment. Thanks for sharing.

While I am actually an M convert but still appreciate raw performance from any brand, I never fell for the "Ultimate Driving Machine" hype.

PS: This vid (not mine) is my typical experience with BMW's at track events. Jump to 3:15 Although most M drivers let me pass the car behind them before giving a point.

jvanbrecht

Maybe people would not be so defensive if other people stopped attacking them... that goes for all sides of any argument... and I will leave it at that

-=Hot|Ice=-

That's not true. The M5's engine has been tweaked and revised. It's not the same engine.


Werd. They're just proving my point.

_timothy

Well said although the local amg and m owners I have met have also had and respect m/amg where applicableg. The choice is simply personal preference unless you're not the one writing the check which is likely the case with younger drivers

Your reasons are for the most part why I got my c63

jvanbrecht

Oic.. Don't be comparing my hyperdrive powered spaceship to your crappy *** fire powered rocket... I will not have any of that..

Lrrr
Ruler of Omicron Persei 8

-=Hot|Ice=-

Sheep

Oh nose! Not hyperspace vs. subspace again...

Sheep
p.s. I can has myspace plz?

C280 Sport

Funny my girlfriend always says something similar to that. "BMW drivers are just JDM guys with money."

I personally do not believe that is true but however, it tends to be a growing trend from what I have seen and also lots of BMW owners are Mercedes owners as well. I find that the young BMW owners or even older who are defensive about the car are just people who like to blow smoke and have something to prove. I have seen many times at tracks where a 18 year old has a beautiful M3 or M5 and his previous car was say a modded Civic. Having just stepped up his game he has to prove to eveyone he is not some boy ricer. Therefore I think this where people get the idea that BMW drivers tend to be ricers with money or just have large ego's.

bmstyle

soo with that logic the 3 series is a girls' car.....but the c class isn't?

cptdaz

This is the main reason I ended up with c63 than a m3. A reviewer once said that anywhere outside of a race track, m3 drives like a run of the mill 3 series. And from numberous test drives on the streets, I concur that is an accurate assessment. Plus the fact that you have to rev so high to get any kind of drive out of the vehicle means sounding like a douchebag (and catching the attention of LEO in a mile radius) everytime you pull from a green light. Plus as I mentioned in another thread while I love the look of a m3 coupe I think c63 sedan look way better than a m3 sedan (I needed a 4 door car). In the end, m3 is a great track day tool for that ten or less days out of 365 but c63 wins in the practical catagories and is perfect for the rest of the year when you're not on the track.

bushburninc63

we're all douches. I love the way the m3 coupe looks compared to the c63 coupe.

VaclavSV

Well I guess they got bored....

Jycke

Funny how the topic proves its point seeing how M3 owners sign up on this forum only to join this discussion

cptdaz

I agree that m3 coupe looks better than c63 coupe. But c63 sedan still looks better than m3 sedan because c63 was originally designed as a 4-door where as the m3 was originally designed as a 2-door.

TerpsV2

Joining the party late but this is my outlook on it. BMW vs. MB will allways have a competitive rivalry. Both side have dbags and fan boys. And there is always a better/faster car

1. 335 vs m3 debate - 335 with tune, exhaust, and suspension can hang with m3 for alot cheaper, but obvious downfalls like reliablity, heatsoak, loud noisy exhaust, hard suspension, and less aggressive stlying. Either is a good choice just what you want at the end.
2. MB vs BMW- I have a 211 E63 and the suspension is SOFT. I will be the first to say the car is a boat and is quick but by no means fast. I was looking at m5's but there as slow(slower) as the e63 but handle slightly better. refined sedans with some power but not a track monster.
3. I personally thing some of the benz owners have some of the worst choices in wheels.
4. Untill the FI motors are tuned its a crapshoot. Once the tuning wars start it will be clearer which is a "better" car and i think BMW will get the majority of love from tuners.

m0v30v3r

I think You are wrong here. I think that the new amg 5.5 tt engine has a lot of potential in tuning it and making it a monster. Bmw's 4.4 tt is alredy heavily tuned from the M division and would say that amg will outpower m cars with this new engine.