jim07

I think anyone responding to this post is gay! ------

alrasheed1991

dodger63

So obviously since you responded...... you must be

alrasheed1991

propain

jim07

That's a joke Son , I say a joke. --Foghorn Leghorn

That was the joke

dodger63

Obviously

_AMG_

SLS Qatar

No Pal.

what We meant is that you bringing your wife and getting her opinion was Gay.

Now that's ultimately gay

There is nothing wrong with my English. I dont see anybody complaining but you. That is typical from a 6th grade drop-out. English is not my first language. Lets see how you do in a secondary language

No, It your Vbox competetion. and your "Tune Only" BS

propain

Your brother brought my wife into it you mental midget.

*Competition* Spell check is a free tool.

Now why don't you join your little butt buddy brother on his suspension.

BFNYM156

I had similar experience, but I like the header, not Andy though

MB_Forever

Sorry for the long post, but I'm going to respectfully disagree with Zod as I find this post from him a bit unfair towards dodger.

A customer does NOT have to try every single tuner out there to not be labeled a fan boy or to "make the playing field fair"; they would only have to compare results. As we all have seen, there have been multiple comparisons of MHP vs other companies (speaking of course only in terms of the C63 platform) and MHP almost always edged out the competition in real world and on the track. In addition, MHP have traditionally been first to the market and other tuners seemed to have come close only recently (or at least relatively recently) and not after multiple updates and improvements to their products. I believe MHP was one of the first (and probably only) company to put 5 C63s into the 10s NA and I'm guessing that number is larger by now.

To this day, if I recall correctly, MHP still owns the 63 NA record (dodger63) and despite the existence of very big aftermarket performance companies out there, not one single one came close to their record. Moreover, MHP's NOS car (DadsC63) still holds the 63 record and they have ran that car not only in good conditions but also in terrible conditions. Many people don't like NOS records because they think it is like cheating, and I respect that, but if it was so easy, all the "respectable" companies out there would've been able to ****** that specific record in a heart beat any time over the past 4 winters. As far as I know, to this day, none have been able to accomplish that.

Not sure I would say he directly "advertises" MHP products, as he most certainly does not pay for lets say a magazine ad, online ad, mass e-mail, or any type of direct advertising. He appreciated the treatment he got from Andy so he put an MHP sticker on his windshield to show his support. I would categorize this as an indirect form of advertisement especially since the sticker does not even mention any specific product or alteration. Furthermore, an MHP sticker was NOT the only sticker he had on his car and was NEVER there all the time (especially at every track event). Also please note that these stickers help excite and motivate people at the track to create a fun and friendly competitive environment which is great when one is trying to host a track event (as dodger often does). I, for example, have a RENNtech sticker on my windshield; RARfinancial had a RENNtech sticker, AMG sticker, ACCG sticker, Juicee63 had a EuroElites sticker, etc.... we treat it as a fun way to race when tracking our cars or when organizing group events and meets.

This response have been posted by different people on multiple forums as a response to the same type of question, so I'm going to only summarize its message for reference purposes. There is hardly any one company that makes every single product in-house. When aftermarket performance companies sell headers, superchargers, pulleys, air boxes, drive shafts, axles, brakes, differentials, etc... they often pair up with other companies to manufacture that product for them. A company can NOT have 10 different manufacturing plants in-house. I'm sure Weistec, for example, does not make their own supercharger in-house or the drive shaft, or the belts, or even their pulleys in-house. This stuff almost always gets subcontracted out. And I don't have anything against Weistec or trying to pick on them by any means; on the contrary, I actually respect their products a great deal and their name only came to mind due to the great presence they've enjoyed lately. Equally, the same concept applies to other companies as well: Evosport, Eurocharged, etc.... and while I agree that some companies will do more in-house than others, it should not be a basis for disqualification.

Participating in such threads is very important to the community as it allows different members to share their different experiences. If every member did not participate in those types of threads, this forum would become almost useless. When someone asks which is a better tune or which product should I get, dodger is one of many members who simply responds by stating his great experience with MHP and listing some of the facts about product satisfaction, customer service, real world test/results he's had, etc.... please note that he is most certainly not the only one who chimes in; other people chime in as well, some supporting OE, RENNtech, Weistec, Eurocharged, Kleemann, etc...

Yes he has, but sadly only his pro stances ever get attention due to the heated debates that end up taking place. He spoke before about how expensive their products were and how they could've handled things differently in some situations when they made mistakes, etc...

He may not be 100% neutral but then again it is natural (at least in my opinion) to lean (even if only slightly) towards companies/products you believe in. Almost everyone does the same thing in some way or another when they purchase a product. Dodger does state his experience truthfully though when comparing multiple companies and products. By the way, if you were to meet dodger in person, you would know he usually tells it as it is. I've heard him before say I spent a lot of money on product X and it wasn't that good or product Y did not help me at all, etc... He won't shy from listing the good and the bad, which, to someone looking into purchasing such products, maybe neutral enough.

I Can't answer for him on this one, but I can venture a few guesses: loyalty, customer satisfaction, time, headache, contractual obligations between one or more of the parties involved, etc... However, one can apply the same question to almost everything; for example, you know where Mercedes sub-sources its wheels or exhaust or carbon fiber parts, why not go direct to the source? If you know where company X makes their headers, pulleys, supercharger, etc... why not go to the source?

Finally, to dodger and to everyone who shares their experiences on here, thanks for contributing and making this forum a great tool for enthusiasts to reference.

Dads C63

Great post - thank you!!

dodger63

Thanks mo. If we get rid of some negativity. Around here we could get back to business instead of all this drama. Theres allot of fanboys in one way or another but the haters are tge ones thatt ruin the site

propain

Its the way of the internet. There will always be haters and trolls. We all fall victim to the drama at times.

It many cases... Correction... IN ALL CASES... every person I have met in person on this forum is a straight up and cool person who shares the same passion as we all do... CARS! In every case those people would take the shirt off their back to help the other guy out. You included Mike when you helped me out at MIR that first time out in my C63. I would do the same for you anytime.


So were all friends here.... well most of us are anyhow. Lets not forget that.

melmanc55

+1 Well said brother....

dodger63

I wish we could be

bhamg

Better not paint with such a broad brush dodger. Is someone like me a hater because he absolutely despises how Andy poisons the atmosphere here through his posting-shills, -alter-egos and -proxies? I think not but as you know, I make my contempt for how he conducts his marketing agenda on this forum abundantly clear, time and again. If he changes tactics great, you won't hear a peep from me again on this matter. If not I'll call 'em as I see 'em because that is just how I roll.

dodger63

Actually you really dont fall under my definition of a hater, close sometimes but i wouldnt.

c32AMG-DTM

I don't think you're a "hater" - but your distaste for Andy is certainly pronounced. Since you'll congratulate an MHP customer if they achieve a good result (at least, I think I recall you doing so), you're not blindly hating everything and everyone remotely associated with MHP.

I think reasonable people can disagree. Someone calls it like he sees it, someone else calls it as he sees it which may be different. They can coexist peacefully, if they want to.

I try to respect those who may disagree with me, although I'm not infallible there. Regardless, however, I unfortunately find that same luxury is not always afforded in return. Some members will pile on and disparage anyone who makes even the slightest pro-MHP comment, assuming that somehow Andy's secretly behind every one of them somehow. Trust me - he isn't. Sometimes folks just have a differing opinion, and voice it to offer some counter-balance or simply an alternate viewpoint.

Oh, and MB Forever - if you're not an ambassador, you missed your calling.

bhamg

All reasonable points of view here. I totally agree with what Propain stated - in person it's a whole new ball game - I also have never not had a good time or gotten along with new acquaintances in a car-related event, but's it's even more broadly applicable to life in general for me. And in real life I generally don't want to hang out with clones of me...I'd rather be exposed to new perspectives that people with much different backgrounds can bring to to mix. Like this message board. *group hug*

callmiro

This thread has gone full Vagina

It must be locked and never spoken of again


Now I'm gonna go do some chin ups and eat a lion steak to regain some of my masculinity that was lost reading this romance novel

Even Money

^ I can always count on you callmiro.

bhamg

I hear ya...wish I could be ALL MAN like you but such is life.

melmanc55

That's was funny Camaro