My ADV1s are here! + TPMS question
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^^ I disagree with u.. Let ADV1 reseal the wheel by themselves or else they will deny any warranty work. 3 pcs wheel tends to leak between the inner & outer barrel.. So tightening the bolts will unlikely solve anything. He needs to clean the old silicone & reapply/reseal.. Not acceptable & OP should not pay for the cost of repair on a few days old wheel.
That's why I'm done with 3 pcs wheels.. All show no go. 1 pc monoblock is less maintenance .
That's why I'm done with 3 pcs wheels.. All show no go. 1 pc monoblock is less maintenance .
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Unfortunately I am about 3 hours away from home right now visiting some relatives, and I have to be back home tomorrow so I have a shop to try and reseal it for me. ADV1 already contacted me with this problem and told me to go to a local shop, so if they try to deny anything I have their email. They said it shouldnt be a big deal though and the shop I went to does have experience with 3 piece wheels. I asked them to cover the cost of repair and if there is any other problem arising I asked for them to let me send it back for repair.
I am very disappointed now with these brand new wheels.
So far ADV have been really good to respond to me(I didnt email them, I guess they saw my post and emailed me), we'll just have to see how they respond to my demands.
Will update tomorrow about how the shop found the wheels.
thanks for the support guys!
and yeah roswell, I actually wanted a monoblock but they were so expensive. was looking at volk but they were not hubcentric.
I am very disappointed now with these brand new wheels.
So far ADV have been really good to respond to me(I didnt email them, I guess they saw my post and emailed me), we'll just have to see how they respond to my demands. Will update tomorrow about how the shop found the wheels.
thanks for the support guys!
and yeah roswell, I actually wanted a monoblock but they were so expensive. was looking at volk but they were not hubcentric.
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Awesome to hear they are taking care of u. And u r clever to keep all the documentation for future warranty.
It's definitely not difficult to reseal 3 pcs rims, it's just time consuming as it may take few tries before they get it right. Which means mounting & unmounting the tires several time to test the leak.. And risking damaging/scratching the wheels.
This problem is not only with ADV wheels, it's just the nature of 3 pcs wheels. I had 3 different set in the past from 3 good companies.. And all of them started leaking at some point. It's probably due to the road vibrations breaking the silicone seal. Therefore, 1 pc is my only way to go from now on for peace of mind.
Good luck & keep us posted.
It's definitely not difficult to reseal 3 pcs rims, it's just time consuming as it may take few tries before they get it right. Which means mounting & unmounting the tires several time to test the leak.. And risking damaging/scratching the wheels.
This problem is not only with ADV wheels, it's just the nature of 3 pcs wheels. I had 3 different set in the past from 3 good companies.. And all of them started leaking at some point. It's probably due to the road vibrations breaking the silicone seal. Therefore, 1 pc is my only way to go from now on for peace of mind.
Good luck & keep us posted.
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So the tire place manage to stop my wheels from leaking air. He said the wheel was leaking at pretty much every single bolt, over 20 spots. I will see now ADV1 responds now, even the shop owner agrees I should get ADV to cover it at the very least.
Checked other wheels and they seem to hold air fine, although I still get vibrations at over 80 and pull to the right a little (bad balancing?)
Checked other wheels and they seem to hold air fine, although I still get vibrations at over 80 and pull to the right a little (bad balancing?)
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I'm glad to hear you got your wheel fixed... and I hope ADV will cover the repair as they gave you the "go" in the e-mail on the repair.
You should have asked the shop to re-balanced all your wheels when you checked for leaks. The vibrations could be coming from balancing, hub-centric rings (if the wheels are not specially design for our cars at 66.5) or wrong lugs (ball or cone seated).
On the other hand, the pulls could be a bad alignment.
You should have asked the shop to re-balanced all your wheels when you checked for leaks. The vibrations could be coming from balancing, hub-centric rings (if the wheels are not specially design for our cars at 66.5) or wrong lugs (ball or cone seated).
On the other hand, the pulls could be a bad alignment.
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I'm glad to hear you got your wheel fixed... and I hope ADV will cover the repair as they gave you the "go" in the e-mail on the repair.
You should have asked the shop to re-balanced all your wheels when you checked for leaks. The vibrations could be coming from balancing, hub-centric rings (if the wheels are not specially design for our cars at 66.5) or wrong lugs (ball or cone seated).
On the other hand, the pulls could be a bad alignment.
You should have asked the shop to re-balanced all your wheels when you checked for leaks. The vibrations could be coming from balancing, hub-centric rings (if the wheels are not specially design for our cars at 66.5) or wrong lugs (ball or cone seated).
On the other hand, the pulls could be a bad alignment.
I didnt have any pulls with my old wheels, I'm quite new to changing wheels, is an alignment recommended when you switch wheels?
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If ADV said the wheels are hubcentric & OEM ball seated, then you can rule out the rings & lugs.
Only thing left would be to balance your wheels & see if you still have vibrations. I wouldnt worry about the slight pull yet as it might be due to the vibration causing it to not drive straight at high speed.
As for wheel alignment, it is recommended but not necessary when you change tires/wheels. If you had made changes in your suspension then yes, alignment is a must.
Only thing left would be to balance your wheels & see if you still have vibrations. I wouldnt worry about the slight pull yet as it might be due to the vibration causing it to not drive straight at high speed.
As for wheel alignment, it is recommended but not necessary when you change tires/wheels. If you had made changes in your suspension then yes, alignment is a must.
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That's no surprise OP having issues with the ADV.1 wheels. They're junk. The run out on them are terrible. They're too heavy. But they are pretty.
Most of the American made 3 piece wheels will leak. There is a 99% chance of this happening. They will either have bead leaks due to the chrome face rusting on the inside or the silicone mating surface will leak. Therefore I wil never buy wheels from those manufacterers. I will stick to high end Japanese wheels or German wheels (which majority of them are made in Japan).
Goodluck OP.
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Most of the American made 3 piece wheels will leak. There is a 99% chance of this happening. They will either have bead leaks due to the chrome face rusting on the inside or the silicone mating surface will leak. Therefore I wil never buy wheels from those manufacterers. I will stick to high end Japanese wheels or German wheels (which majority of them are made in Japan).
Goodluck OP.
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I cannot comment on ADV quality as I never own a set. But I'm just surprised to read ur feedbacks as I thought they were high end wheels at premium cost.
I do agree with u about the nature of 3 pcs wheels though, they tend to leak at the bead all the time. This is also applicable to Europeean companies. From my experience, I had a set of 3pcs OZ Mito Modular from Italy on my old Stealth TT, and 1 wheel started to leak from day 1. I believe most companies are starting to realize the high maintenance of 3 pcs wheels & are turning themselves into monoblock forged.
I do agree with u about the nature of 3 pcs wheels though, they tend to leak at the bead all the time. This is also applicable to Europeean companies. From my experience, I had a set of 3pcs OZ Mito Modular from Italy on my old Stealth TT, and 1 wheel started to leak from day 1. I believe most companies are starting to realize the high maintenance of 3 pcs wheels & are turning themselves into monoblock forged.
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I cannot comment on ADV quality as I never own a set. But I'm just surprised to read ur feedbacks as I thought they were high end wheels at premium cost.
I do agree with u about the nature of 3 pcs wheels though, they tend to leak at the bead all the time. This is also applicable to Europeean companies. From my experience, I had a set of 3pcs OZ Mito Modular from Italy on my old Stealth TT, and 1 wheel started to leak from day 1. I believe most companies are starting to realize the high maintenance of 3 pcs wheels & are turning themselves into monoblock forged.
I do agree with u about the nature of 3 pcs wheels though, they tend to leak at the bead all the time. This is also applicable to Europeean companies. From my experience, I had a set of 3pcs OZ Mito Modular from Italy on my old Stealth TT, and 1 wheel started to leak from day 1. I believe most companies are starting to realize the high maintenance of 3 pcs wheels & are turning themselves into monoblock forged.
I run a 3 piece Japanese wheel. The lips are anodized so they will last longer and look better than the cheap looking chrome. I have attached a pic of my car:
http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...2817copy-1.jpg
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I cannot comment on ADV quality as I never own a set. But I'm just surprised to read ur feedbacks as I thought they were high end wheels at premium cost.
I do agree with u about the nature of 3 pcs wheels though, they tend to leak at the bead all the time. This is also applicable to Europeean companies. From my experience, I had a set of 3pcs OZ Mito Modular from Italy on my old Stealth TT, and 1 wheel started to leak from day 1. I believe most companies are starting to realize the high maintenance of 3 pcs wheels & are turning themselves into monoblock forged.
I do agree with u about the nature of 3 pcs wheels though, they tend to leak at the bead all the time. This is also applicable to Europeean companies. From my experience, I had a set of 3pcs OZ Mito Modular from Italy on my old Stealth TT, and 1 wheel started to leak from day 1. I believe most companies are starting to realize the high maintenance of 3 pcs wheels & are turning themselves into monoblock forged.
These don't look too good on the car anyway. They are too small and there is no pop with those dull lips. Why spend big bucks on wheels that have no pop?
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I run a 3 piece Japanese wheel. The lips are anodized so they will last longer and look better than the cheap looking chrome. I have attached a pic of my car:
http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...2817copy-1.jpg
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http://www.bimmerboost.com/images/im...2817copy-1.jpg
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At the end, crap happens but it boils down to how the company handles after sales problems.
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Oh my, I remember reading somewhere ADV is owned by the same owner of the 3 digit numbers.. shaddy!!
Well, hope OP will get his vibrations fixed. But I was wrong for ruling out the hub-centric ring. He might have the wrong centric bore drilled on his rims.
Well, hope OP will get his vibrations fixed. But I was wrong for ruling out the hub-centric ring. He might have the wrong centric bore drilled on his rims.
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Originally Posted by t-deL88
You guys might want to do a little bit of research on the M3Post side before spending almost $10k on wheels/tires for your $100k M5's and dealing with headaches down the line... Just read up on all of this smh
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=717258
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=664569
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596608
You guys might want to do a little bit of research on the M3Post side before spending almost $10k on wheels/tires for your $100k M5's and dealing with headaches down the line... Just read up on all of this smh
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=717258
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=664569
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596608
It's a MAJOR safety issue to have crappy wheels on your car.
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Hope ADV.1 takes care of you - i've got monoblocks on my car and they've been awesome. The quality issues over on M3post are blown out of proportion.
If you actually read the thread the actual facts are:
- All the "they suck" comments come from people with no first hand experience with their customer service or product.
- The cracked lip was a rim half part incorrectly made by the supplier, the same supplier that offers the SAME part with the SAME issue to HRE, etc.
- The customer was getting new wheels prior to the issue being posted and was not only given a fixed new set of wheels but a brand new set for any car for free.
- They have testing data posted on their site...
It's much ado about nothing as far as i'm concerned. I'm sure ADV.1 will take care of you - in my experience they have been nothing but superb to deal with. The ones posting already in this thread about how ****ty they are have... what 1 post count? I think that speaks for itself.
If you actually read the thread the actual facts are:
- All the "they suck" comments come from people with no first hand experience with their customer service or product.
- The cracked lip was a rim half part incorrectly made by the supplier, the same supplier that offers the SAME part with the SAME issue to HRE, etc.
- The customer was getting new wheels prior to the issue being posted and was not only given a fixed new set of wheels but a brand new set for any car for free.
- They have testing data posted on their site...
It's much ado about nothing as far as i'm concerned. I'm sure ADV.1 will take care of you - in my experience they have been nothing but superb to deal with. The ones posting already in this thread about how ****ty they are have... what 1 post count? I think that speaks for itself.
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been going through the threads, there's still the issue of an actual TUV certification...it's verifiable online from TUV themselves (HRE is listed for example), however ADV.1 is missing.
Honestly ADV.1 wheels looks amazing, but reading about these stories have made me think twice about the company.
Honestly ADV.1 wheels looks amazing, but reading about these stories have made me think twice about the company.
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Hope ADV.1 takes care of you - i've got monoblocks on my car and they've been awesome. The quality issues over on M3post are blown out of proportion.
If you actually read the thread the actual facts are:
- All the "they suck" comments come from people with no first hand experience with their customer service or product.
- The cracked lip was a rim half part incorrectly made by the supplier, the same supplier that offers the SAME part with the SAME issue to HRE, etc.
- The customer was getting new wheels prior to the issue being posted and was not only given a fixed new set of wheels but a brand new set for any car for free.
- They have testing data posted on their site...
It's much ado about nothing as far as i'm concerned. I'm sure ADV.1 will take care of you - in my experience they have been nothing but superb to deal with. The ones posting already in this thread about how ****ty they are have... what 1 post count? I think that speaks for itself.
If you actually read the thread the actual facts are:
- All the "they suck" comments come from people with no first hand experience with their customer service or product.
- The cracked lip was a rim half part incorrectly made by the supplier, the same supplier that offers the SAME part with the SAME issue to HRE, etc.
- The customer was getting new wheels prior to the issue being posted and was not only given a fixed new set of wheels but a brand new set for any car for free.
- They have testing data posted on their site...
It's much ado about nothing as far as i'm concerned. I'm sure ADV.1 will take care of you - in my experience they have been nothing but superb to deal with. The ones posting already in this thread about how ****ty they are have... what 1 post count? I think that speaks for itself.
They also tried to show they're TUV certified, but then wouldn't produce all the paperwork, saying it's a secret since they don't want others photoshopping another name on their TUV certificate. BUT, HRE then posted all pages of their TUV certification. There's been no comment after that.
If you read the posts, ADV said they only use the MHT's tools and they make the wheels themselves, and the wheels are designed themselves.
My post count has nothing to do with how informed I am. It's up to you. I would never put my family in a car with these wheels. Here's post count number 2 if that makes you feel better. I posted this as a heads up to the MBWorld crowd so they can make an informed decision. I don't work for another wheel company or own a shop in any why.
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It's up to you. I'm just trying to inform you, but you obviously did NOT read the threads. It's a ton of reading, but the bottom line is they tried to "fix" someone's wheels by drilling extra holes RIGHT NEXT to the old holes. They then said it was for "weight savings." Then they said it was an "accident."
They also tried to show they're TUV certified, but then wouldn't produce all the paperwork, saying it's a secret since they don't want others photoshopping another name on their TUV certificate. BUT, HRE then posted all pages of their TUV certification. There's been no comment after that.
If you read the posts, ADV said they only use the MHT's tools and they make the wheels themselves, and the wheels are designed themselves.
My post count has nothing to do with how informed I am. It's up to you. I would never put my family in a car with these wheels. Here's post count number 2 if that makes you feel better. I posted this as a heads up to the MBWorld crowd so they can make an informed decision. I don't work for another wheel company or own a shop in any why.
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They also tried to show they're TUV certified, but then wouldn't produce all the paperwork, saying it's a secret since they don't want others photoshopping another name on their TUV certificate. BUT, HRE then posted all pages of their TUV certification. There's been no comment after that.
If you read the posts, ADV said they only use the MHT's tools and they make the wheels themselves, and the wheels are designed themselves.
My post count has nothing to do with how informed I am. It's up to you. I would never put my family in a car with these wheels. Here's post count number 2 if that makes you feel better. I posted this as a heads up to the MBWorld crowd so they can make an informed decision. I don't work for another wheel company or own a shop in any why.
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Regarding TUV > they seem to have PSA testing certificates on their site: http://www.adv1wheels.com/adv1wheels...l/testdata.php and frankly STL testing in the US is what I would trust more than TUV... at the end of the day STL/JWL, etc are all the same **** with different letters. If the wheel passes on a destruction stand at STL in California it's not like it would've failed on the same stand at JWL or TUV.
Regarding MHT tooling... who cares? They haven't hid that and post about that on their own blog and have since the beginning. ADV.1 engineers the files... whether or not they own the mill that runs the program has no effect on quality. I'm not sure why leasing time from a reputable company like MHT that is responsible for building most of the aftermarket wheels in the U.S. is all of a sudden a detriment? I'd rather have a company with decades of experience run the milling programs than some dude in a shed with one machine.
It does look like MHT screwed up on the assembly flange and double drilled it. But you'll note there is no structural damage or fatigue on the bolt holes anywhere... ie it wasn't a safety issue. Regardless - probably not the best thing to ship out but again not a safety issue.
Anyway - sorry to thread jack. I just don't jump on this ADV.1 sucks cuz some dude's cousins aunts mailsman says they're wheels blow arguments that seem to be the fashionable bandwagon lately.
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Hope ADV.1 takes care of you - i've got monoblocks on my car and they've been awesome. The quality issues over on M3post are blown out of proportion.
If you actually read the thread the actual facts are:
- All the "they suck" comments come from people with no first hand experience with their customer service or product.
- The cracked lip was a rim half part incorrectly made by the supplier, the same supplier that offers the SAME part with the SAME issue to HRE, etc.
- The customer was getting new wheels prior to the issue being posted and was not only given a fixed new set of wheels but a brand new set for any car for free.
- They have testing data posted on their site...
It's much ado about nothing as far as i'm concerned. I'm sure ADV.1 will take care of you - in my experience they have been nothing but superb to deal with. The ones posting already in this thread about how ****ty they are have... what 1 post count? I think that speaks for itself.
If you actually read the thread the actual facts are:
- All the "they suck" comments come from people with no first hand experience with their customer service or product.
- The cracked lip was a rim half part incorrectly made by the supplier, the same supplier that offers the SAME part with the SAME issue to HRE, etc.
- The customer was getting new wheels prior to the issue being posted and was not only given a fixed new set of wheels but a brand new set for any car for free.
- They have testing data posted on their site...
It's much ado about nothing as far as i'm concerned. I'm sure ADV.1 will take care of you - in my experience they have been nothing but superb to deal with. The ones posting already in this thread about how ****ty they are have... what 1 post count? I think that speaks for itself.
The rim supplier in question is in fact HRE’s rim supplier and although we have never experienced this type of failure (after thousands of wheels) we were obviously greatly concerned. Our engineering team evaluated our risk for this type of failure, performing additional fatigue testing and determined that with our center design and specifications for manufacture and assembly that there was no expectation we would experience a similar failure. Basically our evaluation leads us to believe that problem is not associated with the rim itself.
At the end of the day, for HRE it doesn't matter where the issue occurs. The wheel has our name on it so we will take responsibility for it regardless of whether the issue occurs in our manufacturing facility here in Vista or with one of our material suppliers so we take any potential issues like this seriously.
As for SAE/JWL/TUV they are all the same type of tests but they use different loads and cycles so HRE chooses to use TUV because we feel this has the most difficult standards and you have to be very careful as the load ratings from one standard don't match the load ratings from another. For instance TUV at 650kg is equivalent to something more like 735kg in JWL and over 800kg in SAE. What is important is understanding what load level matches what vehicle. Just because you have test document that shows you passed 650kg SAE, that doesn't mean you can put it on a vehicle that needs 650kg TUV.
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It's nice to see a company take responsibility for their product, even if it is a supplier that MAY have messed up. It's still the ADV name on the wheel, and they haven't taken care of these customers at all. It's also good to know the load ratings are not the same between the different organizations.
I have no issue with a wheel made at MHT. My point was, ADV emphysized they use MHT's facility to make THEIR WHEEL THEY "DESIGNED." Obviously not engineered. Then they want to blame a supplier for the issues??? But I thought they were just using their tools and made the wheel themselves?
It's not just a bandwagon against ADV. You have to look at the BODY OF WORK they've produced going back to 360Forged. They ripped so many people off while they were posting pics of their Ferrari's, Porsche Turbos, Z06's, and new VERY modern office space on the 6Speed. ADV is still banned on 6Speed because some people are still screwed from 360Forged. You can't even post a thread showing all those links because you can't mention ADV at all there, even in a negative light.
Legit, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind because you own the wheels. I have no beef against or for ADV. I'm just looking at the body of work they've produced. To be clear, I think their wheels and especially 360Forged wheels were some of the best wheels ever made.
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I have no issue with a wheel made at MHT. My point was, ADV emphysized they use MHT's facility to make THEIR WHEEL THEY "DESIGNED." Obviously not engineered. Then they want to blame a supplier for the issues??? But I thought they were just using their tools and made the wheel themselves?
It's not just a bandwagon against ADV. You have to look at the BODY OF WORK they've produced going back to 360Forged. They ripped so many people off while they were posting pics of their Ferrari's, Porsche Turbos, Z06's, and new VERY modern office space on the 6Speed. ADV is still banned on 6Speed because some people are still screwed from 360Forged. You can't even post a thread showing all those links because you can't mention ADV at all there, even in a negative light.
Legit, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind because you own the wheels. I have no beef against or for ADV. I'm just looking at the body of work they've produced. To be clear, I think their wheels and especially 360Forged wheels were some of the best wheels ever made.
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