Gooo C63 gooo... C63 AMG Coupe vs. 2 Bikes
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You have to be sharp and focused at these speeds.
All though the car is out front and seems to be gaping the riders, the bikes could easily catch the c63.
They are just being as safe as they possibly can will attempting to catch up.
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A C63 and cars of similar breed should outrun most sportbikes in a straight line given enough road. WSBK bikes are race worthy but are still production bikes that you can buy. It takes a top notch bike like a Ducati Panigale (top speed 186mph) to match the top speed of a PP or tuned C63.
In terms of acceleration, only cars like Ascari, Pagani, and Bugatti can match a typical sportbike (gixxer 600 or CBR 600 and up).
tl:dr version...bikes almost always beat cars 0-60, but cars almost always win top speed.
In terms of acceleration, only cars like Ascari, Pagani, and Bugatti can match a typical sportbike (gixxer 600 or CBR 600 and up).
tl:dr version...bikes almost always beat cars 0-60, but cars almost always win top speed.
Not that it matters, it's comparing apples and oranges. Just clearing up some big misconceptions and bad information.
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Anyone who thinks 99% of sport cars including a C63 can out run a crotch rocket are retarded. My CBR will smoke my car (a C63) all day long. Go utilize YouTube and go see what happens on a track. There is one nice video of a Lamborghini vs a Ducati that gets his *** wooped by the Ducati with professional drivers in both. Listen the C63 is a great car but to compare any car to a superbike/crotch rocket is just silly.
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My last post on this topic to clarify.
Most "average" sportbikes are about 600cc. They have a top speed around 160mph give or take. Now, most performance cars like the M-series or the AMGs should be able to pass that, especially if it's tuned. So "average" performance cars should be able to beat sport bikes in terms of TOP SPEED.
Due to the obvious power-to-weight ratio, any sportbike can out ACCELERATE any car all the way up to 100mph+.
NOW...
Liter bikes (1000cc give or take) would be classified as top tier bikes eg: World Superbike worthy. Of course those will spank average performance cars. It would take an exotic to beat it in acceleration or top speed.
Here's a video that proves my point. Top notch Ducati vs. top notch Porsche. The bike out accelerates the car and is ahead the whole way until it hits the 186mph top speed. Then, the Porsche pulls ahead. Hence my original point.
The only exception to the above might be the Desmosedici RR. That will out accelerate and out top speed just about every car on the planet. But it'll cost you $50k.
Most "average" sportbikes are about 600cc. They have a top speed around 160mph give or take. Now, most performance cars like the M-series or the AMGs should be able to pass that, especially if it's tuned. So "average" performance cars should be able to beat sport bikes in terms of TOP SPEED.
Due to the obvious power-to-weight ratio, any sportbike can out ACCELERATE any car all the way up to 100mph+.
NOW...
Liter bikes (1000cc give or take) would be classified as top tier bikes eg: World Superbike worthy. Of course those will spank average performance cars. It would take an exotic to beat it in acceleration or top speed.
Here's a video that proves my point. Top notch Ducati vs. top notch Porsche. The bike out accelerates the car and is ahead the whole way until it hits the 186mph top speed. Then, the Porsche pulls ahead. Hence my original point.
A C63 and cars of similar breed should outrun most sportbikes in a straight line given enough road. WSBK bikes are race worthy but are still production bikes that you can buy. It takes a top notch bike like a Ducati Panigale (top speed 186mph) to match the top speed of a PP or tuned C63.
In terms of acceleration, only cars like Ascari, Pagani, and Bugatti can match a typical sportbike (gixxer 600 or CBR 600 and up).
tl:dr version...bikes almost always beat cars 0-60, but cars almost always win top speed.
In terms of acceleration, only cars like Ascari, Pagani, and Bugatti can match a typical sportbike (gixxer 600 or CBR 600 and up).
tl:dr version...bikes almost always beat cars 0-60, but cars almost always win top speed.
The only exception to the above might be the Desmosedici RR. That will out accelerate and out top speed just about every car on the planet. But it'll cost you $50k.
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I will disagree that you have defined the avg sportbike as a 600, I see more Liter bikes then I do 600's (whether or not the rider should have purchased said bike is a whole different story, I see too many first time riders go out and by a Liter bike.. it usually lasts a month or 2).
My guess would be 50/50 ratio between the 600 and 1000 sales. If you want to talk above normal non avg, then you start getting into the 1300 and 1400 (ZX14RR.. talk about bat**** crazy.. thats bigger then some Honda cars
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My guess would be 50/50 ratio between the 600 and 1000 sales. If you want to talk above normal non avg, then you start getting into the 1300 and 1400 (ZX14RR.. talk about bat**** crazy.. thats bigger then some Honda cars
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My last post on this topic to clarify.
Most "average" sportbikes are about 600cc. They have a top speed around 160mph give or take. Now, most performance cars like the M-series or the AMGs should be able to pass that, especially if it's tuned. So "average" performance cars should be able to beat sport bikes in terms of TOP SPEED.
Due to the obvious power-to-weight ratio, any sportbike can out ACCELERATE any car all the way up to 100mph+.
NOW...
Liter bikes (1000cc give or take) would be classified as top tier bikes eg: World Superbike worthy. Of course those will spank average performance cars. It would take an exotic to beat it in acceleration or top speed.
Here's a video that proves my point. Top notch Ducati vs. top notch Porsche. The bike out accelerates the car and is ahead the whole way until it hits the 186mph top speed. Then, the Porsche pulls ahead. Hence my original point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wael3IrPu44
The only exception to the above might be the Desmosedici RR. That will out accelerate and out top speed just about every car on the planet. But it'll cost you $50k.
Most "average" sportbikes are about 600cc. They have a top speed around 160mph give or take. Now, most performance cars like the M-series or the AMGs should be able to pass that, especially if it's tuned. So "average" performance cars should be able to beat sport bikes in terms of TOP SPEED.
Due to the obvious power-to-weight ratio, any sportbike can out ACCELERATE any car all the way up to 100mph+.
NOW...
Liter bikes (1000cc give or take) would be classified as top tier bikes eg: World Superbike worthy. Of course those will spank average performance cars. It would take an exotic to beat it in acceleration or top speed.
Here's a video that proves my point. Top notch Ducati vs. top notch Porsche. The bike out accelerates the car and is ahead the whole way until it hits the 186mph top speed. Then, the Porsche pulls ahead. Hence my original point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wael3IrPu44
The only exception to the above might be the Desmosedici RR. That will out accelerate and out top speed just about every car on the planet. But it'll cost you $50k.
First off liter bikes or 1,000 CC's or higher aren't that rare I own both a 600rr and 1000. A cbr 1000rr will blow the doors off the Ducati 1198 with its V twin engine design. Second a CBR 10000 costs about 13k. Now you say that the top speed of these cars is higher then a 600rr what you DO NOT take to account is how long it takes the car to accelerate to say 186. If people want cheap exhilarating fun there is NOTHING that beats a motorcycle period. My car is nothing compared to my bike in terms of shear raw speed.
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Nope, assuming your bike is stock, if you use GPS or speedo healer, you'll find that your actual speed was closer to 150. In case you weren't aware, speedometer percentage error to actual ground speed increases faster you ride.
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My last post on this topic to clarify.
Most "average" sportbikes are about 600cc. They have a top speed around 160mph give or take. Now, most performance cars like the M-series or the AMGs should be able to pass that, especially if it's tuned. So "average" performance cars should be able to beat sport bikes in terms of TOP SPEED.
Due to the obvious power-to-weight ratio, any sportbike can out ACCELERATE any car all the way up to 100mph+.
NOW...
Liter bikes (1000cc give or take) would be classified as top tier bikes eg: World Superbike worthy. Of course those will spank average performance cars. It would take an exotic to beat it in acceleration or top speed.
Here's a video that proves my point. Top notch Ducati vs. top notch Porsche. The bike out accelerates the car and is ahead the whole way until it hits the 186mph top speed. Then, the Porsche pulls ahead. Hence my original point.
The only exception to the above might be the Desmosedici RR. That will out accelerate and out top speed just about every car on the planet. But it'll cost you $50k.
Most "average" sportbikes are about 600cc. They have a top speed around 160mph give or take. Now, most performance cars like the M-series or the AMGs should be able to pass that, especially if it's tuned. So "average" performance cars should be able to beat sport bikes in terms of TOP SPEED.
Due to the obvious power-to-weight ratio, any sportbike can out ACCELERATE any car all the way up to 100mph+.
NOW...
Liter bikes (1000cc give or take) would be classified as top tier bikes eg: World Superbike worthy. Of course those will spank average performance cars. It would take an exotic to beat it in acceleration or top speed.
Here's a video that proves my point. Top notch Ducati vs. top notch Porsche. The bike out accelerates the car and is ahead the whole way until it hits the 186mph top speed. Then, the Porsche pulls ahead. Hence my original point.
The only exception to the above might be the Desmosedici RR. That will out accelerate and out top speed just about every car on the planet. But it'll cost you $50k.
Cars are better at extreme speeds because it becomes power vs aerodynamics instead of power vs weight, but it takes these extreme speeds for the car to even start making up ground.
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600cc is an average sportbike and M/AMGs are average performance cars? I'd like to see your averaging methods. Not sure why you keep bringing Ducatis into this as "top notch" bikes, they're v-twins and are considerably slower than their competitors. Japanese 1000s are very common.
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No, bikes have smaller cross-section. At extreme speeds little differences in cross section areas equate to exponential increase in air resistance. So unlike what you are suggesting, aerodynamically speaking bikes actually have the edge at high speed. Also it is still about weight even at high speed, but for cars, the weight becomes an advantage for increased down force.
