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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 02:14 PM
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nothing done to the car ,, but he is a good driver ...

alot of the people who buys super cars (lambo , ferrari) or any other brand usually buy it for its looks and because of its brand name but the owner of the superleggera is a man who loves racing and know how to drive hes car good enough
The one I raced is also very into cars he is the owner of exotic rallys who puts together lots if events for car racers ie; charity runs, drag range events, track events.. Also the only 2 time winner of a small event we have in the state called the bullrun
http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/07/30/t...gt-r-for-sale/

Kinda imagine he had a clue
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 02:33 PM
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not everything is about numbers ,, in the real world some things change ,, anyway i said it once and ill say it again that this lambo raced an lp560 and won by about 2 bus length

Everything is about numbers when it comes to performance cars. How much HP, torque, how fast to 60, quater mile, skid pad, lap results, gas mileage. ect ect... Its all about the numbers.


You keep saying a lot but your facts dont add up. What "Big Changes" have been done to the lambo since 2009? "Real World" changes as you put it.
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mpower33
and thats another race for the superleggera vs lp640 manual with exhaust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmGSO3axjcY

the superleggera was new (only 500 km)

Did you clone both drivers? You seem to forget that a driver will also lose a race regardless of how much better or worse the other car is.
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dodger63
The one I raced is also very into cars he is the owner of exotic rallys who puts together lots if events for car racers ie; charity runs, drag range events, track events.. Also the only 2 time winner of a small event we have in the state called the bullrun
http://www.gtspirit.com/2012/07/30/t...gt-r-for-sale/

Kinda imagine he had a clue
i didnt say anything about your race ,, but believe me there is a big difference between the new superleggera and the old one
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 02:59 PM
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It's a drag race with two cars with automated transmissions. After the car is "set up" correctly and in the right gear, isn't simply stomp the gas? This isn't a road course race where skill plays a huge part... what am I missing?

some people do not know when is the right time to change gear ,, i tried it several times ,, i raced a friend of mine and i was wining and after he changed the driver he won :P
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:04 PM
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i didnt say anything about your race ,, but believe me there is a big difference between the new superleggera and the old one
Again... what big changes? You keep saying this but the specs say otherwise.

Please list all the big changes.
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by propain
Everything is about numbers when it comes to performance cars. How much HP, torque, how fast to 60, quater mile, skid pad, lap results, gas mileage. ect ect... Its all about the numbers.


You keep saying a lot but your facts dont add up. What "Big Changes" have been done to the lambo since 2009? "Real World" changes as you put it.
you cant say that its always about numbers because the there is another facts like the weather , driver , and how the car is running ..
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mpower33
some people do not know when is the right time to change gear ,, i tried it several times ,, i raced a friend of mine and i was wining and after he changed the driver he won :P
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i didnt say anything about your race ,, but believe me there is a big difference between the new superleggera and the old one
Ok, speak with facts not just what you think.. Your not saying any facts
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:10 PM
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Again... what big changes? You keep saying this but the specs say otherwise.

Please list all the big changes.
ill tell you something ,,

we are looking for an lp670 sv to race with the superleggera and if we founded one ill upload the video to show you the results ,, im not saying that the superleggera will win but its gonna preform good

and ill talk to the owner of the superleggera to race the old superleggera just to show you how big the difference
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by dodger63
Ok, speak with facts not just what you think.. Your not saying any facts
it is a fact ,, its something happened
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:36 PM
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you cant say that its always about numbers because the there is another facts like the weather , driver , and how the car is running ..

Weather is another number factor that has an effect on the performance of the car.

How the car is running is silly as we should just assume its in optimal running condition.

The only thing correct here is the driver mod. As I said above that can change everything.

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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mpower33
it is a fact ,, its something happened
Ok bro.. Good couple first posts, facts are 60-130 numbers 1/4 mile numbers get a few of those on this car... We have a guy on this forum here already his name is Jon... You should pm him and talk about these factory freaks...
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:39 PM
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ill tell you something ,,

we are looking for an lp670 sv to race with the superleggera and if we founded one ill upload the video to show you the results ,, im not saying that the superleggera will win but its gonna preform good

and ill talk to the owner of the superleggera to race the old superleggera just to show you how big the difference

So pretty much you are saying nothing. You said big changes, what big changes?


What you posted above can be done with one very good driver and one very bad driver. This doesn't make one car better than the other, it makes one driver better than the other.


Again.... What. Big. Changes. ?
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:39 PM
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Dodger , Propain ,

You guys are great car enthousiats. Thats for sure. I don't want to start a war between anyone but please take a look at these two vids.



I bet you can now understand how a NEW LP570-4 will easily outperform a C63.

Yes , a S/C C63 should win against it. But hey , real world is real world.. You guys know this more than many here.

Maybe the Lambo was not stock , maybe the OP has an issue , maybe dodger raced a 560 , maybe , maybe....
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:46 PM
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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Dodger , Propain ,

You guys are great car enthousiats. Thats for sure. I don't want to start a war between anyone but please take a look at these two vids.


I bet you can now understand how a NEW LP570-4 will easily outperform a C63.

Yes , a S/C C63 should win against it. But hey , real world is real world.. You guys know this more than many here.

Maybe the Lambo was not stock , maybe the OP has an issue , maybe dodger raced a 560 , maybe , maybe....

Maybe I am confused here. We are talking about modded C63's. Namely Dodgers modded C63. Not a stock C63. Of course a stock C63 will be completely owned by a LP570.

The video with the GTR was from a dig. We are talking about a roll race. Do you think Dodgers C63 completely modded on a race gas tune is slower in a roll race than a stock 2013 GTR? No chance.
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:52 PM
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Dodger , Propain ,

You guys are great car enthousiats. Thats for sure. I don't want to start a war between anyone but please take a look at these two vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlbjrxNwxbI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niWOsi4hVOM

I bet you can now understand how a NEW LP570-4 will easily outperform a C63.

Yes , a S/C C63 should win against it. But hey , real world is real world.. You guys know this more than many here.

Maybe the Lambo was not stock , maybe the OP has an issue , maybe dodger raced a 560 , maybe , maybe....
Couple you tube videos??? Guy I've raced most of these cars on drag track on pocono raceway top out.. Street couple times.. I've raced almost every Lamborghini out there f430, Audi r8s gtrs from mild to wild zo6 zr1s m3s, m5s m6s you name it i know where I stack the scheme of things. No need to show you tube videos. I've run 10.70s consistently at the track pulled zero to 60 times under 3 seconds so please don't try to school my knowledge with you tube videos.
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by propain
Maybe I am confused here. We are talking about modded C63's. Namely Dodgers modded C63. Not a stock C63. Of course a stock C63 will be completely owned by a LP570.

The video with the GTR was from a dig. We are talking about a roll race. Do you think Dodgers C63 completely modded on a race gas tune is slower in a roll race than a stock 2013 GTR? No chance.
I hear you.

Not slower than a '13 GTR but not way faster I think. We all know dodger is a excellent driver with a beast C63 so its not really a good point to compare lol.

What about the 730hp MTM Audi ?? Ok there's the weight to be considered , but its from a roll and there is a 200hp delta between the two. Yet they are even.

I'm far from an expert , even more in street racing , but I just YT'ed LP570-4 to check its performance. And I'm pretty amazed by the races I see on the net... Its ultra quick from a dig , yet very quick from a roll too !

I agree that OP's car should be faster , in optimal conditions..
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:56 PM
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Dodger , Propain ,

You guys are great car enthousiats. Thats for sure. I don't want to start a war between anyone but please take a look at these two vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlbjrxNwxbI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niWOsi4hVOM

I bet you can now understand how a NEW LP570-4 will easily outperform a C63.

Yes , a S/C C63 should win against it. But hey , real world is real world.. You guys know this more than many here.

Maybe the Lambo was not stock , maybe the OP has an issue , maybe dodger raced a 560 , maybe , maybe....
I've raced a 09 superleggara and a newer model 11 I believe also a balbone or what ever also a reg SE. A 560 a lp 640 also.
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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Couple you tube videos??? Guy I've raced most of these cars on drag track on pocono raceway top out.. Street couple times.. I've raced almost every Lamborghini out there f430, Audi r8s gtrs from mild to wild zo6 zr1s m3s, m5s m6s you name it i know where I stack the scheme of things. No need to show you tube videos. I've run 10.70s consistently at the track pulled zero to 60 times under 3 seconds so please don't try to school my knowledge with you tube videos.
For sure ! Read above , I'm just trying to figure out.
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 04:09 PM
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For sure ! Read above , I'm just trying to figure out.
Nothing to figure out there's a few factors that could be here! The gallardo could be modded. The c63 could be not running good. The driver in the c63 could be horrible nothing else really could make a factor.. They are both essentially point and shoot cars
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dodger63
Couple you tube videos??? Guy I've raced most of these cars on drag track on pocono raceway top out.. Street couple times.. I've raced almost every Lamborghini out there f430, Audi r8s gtrs from mild to wild zo6 zr1s m3s, m5s m6s you name it i know where I stack the scheme of things. No need to show you tube videos. I've run 10.70s consistently at the track pulled zero to 60 times under 3 seconds so please don't try to school my knowledge with you tube videos.

Did you ever get a dyno and weight of your c63 when it was running 10.70's? Curious on the specs.. Thanks in advance
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Old Dec 31, 2012 | 04:27 PM
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LOL i have been reading for a while in this forum and a saw alots of comment from the owner of the red arrow telling abdullah (c63 owner in jeddah) to come to uae and race but why dosent he comes to jeddah so that we can show him what supercars can really do

You really made me laugh. First of all, your buddy was the one who told us that he would come to Abu-Dhabi with his turtle and wanted to race, why hasn't he showed up? I still don't know! and why are you speaking for him?. Frankly his car is not worth it!...and deep down inside he knows it.


FACT: Eissa currently has the second fastest C63 on the planet on dragtimes. He has a VBOX 60-130mph result posted @ 6.5 (and unofficial one @ 6.2).
a supperlegera LP570 has been beaten twice by two different owners when Eissa had his 2.3L supercharger. Talk about come to Jeddah and show us your supercars??

We see, race, drive supercars everyday here in UAE and Qatar. while your buddy keeps having a hard time beating a stock E55 , Eissa is smoking the bits out of tuned SLS's, Ferrari 458's and many Lambos. Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about

This is what your buddy posted about two days ago

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9.7...... ok i will make a run today, i am ready for c63 i am jeddah if he is interested.
Abdullah,

Why didn't you show us your run? Eissa ran a 7.7 with his 2.3L setup (You saw the video and the result is posted @ dragtimes). care to show us your result???


Now about the race with a NA C63. When are you ready?



P.S> Please stop the BS about the 87 Octane. In Saudia Arabia, you have 95 RON, which is equivalent to 91-90 Octane in the USA. Tell the guy that told you this 87 Octane story to make up another lie, you know who I am talking about
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I hear you.

Not slower than a '13 GTR but not way faster I think. We all know dodger is a excellent driver with a beast C63 so its not really a good point to compare lol.

What about the 730hp MTM Audi ?? Ok there's the weight to be considered , but its from a roll and there is a 200hp delta between the two. Yet they are even.

I'm far from an expert , even more in street racing , but I just YT'ed LP570-4 to check its performance. And I'm pretty amazed by the races I see on the net... Its ultra quick from a dig , yet very quick from a roll too !

I agree that OP's car should be faster , in optimal conditions..
Not to take away from dodgers skills as he has taught me many things about the C63 and has helped me very much, but both of these cars are point and shoot cars.

Knowing what the car likes and how to get the best results out of it is the skill and Dodger has it. Actually driving it is as simple as it gets. Its an auto.

Audi's are pigs. Put that Audi against the same '13 GTR and I bet it loses.


In the end I would take a LP570 over any car being discussed slower or not!


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Did you ever get a dyno and weight of your c63 when it was running 10.70's? Curious on the specs.. Thanks in advance
It was dyno tuned after I ran the 10.66 in Ohio without me present by Andy with Mhp and was told 504 rwhp. Besides that I don't know weight should be 300# under stock
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