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I don't understand that logic. Minus 2 doors and a carbon fiber roof there is really no difference between the 2. How can the coupe be superior and the sedan not?
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M3 doesn't exist anymore and neither will the W204 in a couple of months....the M4 with its lightweight and launch control will likely best the numbers from C&D. With more HP and small rear tires, it would be tough to make the W205 quicker without traction aid. 4MATIC gives them harder launches and more control with more power.
I never said my answer was definitive....I was just acknowledging the direction of the industry. AMG heads have repeatedly touted the new performance 4MATIC as the standard moving forward. All the new AMG's within the last year have been 4MATIC - A45/CLA45/GLA45/E63/CLS63/ML63/GL63/S63. Only the 2 doors have been the exception, but they haven't been refreshed recently.
Just sayin....
I never said my answer was definitive....I was just acknowledging the direction of the industry. AMG heads have repeatedly touted the new performance 4MATIC as the standard moving forward. All the new AMG's within the last year have been 4MATIC - A45/CLA45/GLA45/E63/CLS63/ML63/GL63/S63. Only the 2 doors have been the exception, but they haven't been refreshed recently.
Just sayin....
I think it will be easy to make the new C63 faster since it will: A) Have more power; B) Be at least 250-300 lbs lighter; and C) Likely will have wider rear tires.
I just don't see why you think the new M3 will be faster. The new F80 M3 is supposed to hit 60 in 3.9 seconds with the DCT.
The W204 already hits that with the MCT and Race Start, despite being fatter (heavier) and having skinnier tires on every corner.
The '12+ C63 is currently faster around the 'ring than the E9X M3 by a few seconds. But that's about it.
The M3 sedan has proven to be faster than the old E92 M3 coupe anyway. Something about greater structural rigidity.
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Actually the coupe is longer, there really is not much difference in height and according to road test they weigh the same. I think you need a refresher on the reviews.
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Thanks for the advice...I just did a refresher....
As you can see, the Sedan is slower to 60 and the 1/4, 3.5 mph slower through the slalom, .5 g less lateral grip and 120 pounds heavier...which equates to different dynamics
BMW M3 Sedan
$67,370 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109.8 mph
60-0 mph: 105 ft
Slalom: 70.0 mph
Skidpad: 0.90g
Weight: 3,710 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 16.0 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/40ZR18, R: 265/40ZR19)
BMW M3 Coupe
$65,775 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.7 sec @ 112.0 mph
60-0 mph: 100 ft
Slalom: 73.3 mph
Skidpad: 0.95g
Weight: 3,590 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 15.6 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/35R19, R: 265/35R19)
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Thanks for the advice...I just did a refresher....
As you can see, the Sedan is slower to 60 and the 1/4, 3.5 mph slower through the slalom, .5 g less lateral grip and 120 pounds heavier...which equates to different dynamics
BMW M3 Sedan
$67,370 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109.8 mph
60-0 mph: 105 ft
Slalom: 70.0 mph
Skidpad: 0.90g
Weight: 3,710 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 16.0 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/40ZR18, R: 265/40ZR19)
BMW M3 Coupe
$65,775 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.7 sec @ 112.0 mph
60-0 mph: 100 ft
Slalom: 73.3 mph
Skidpad: 0.95g
Weight: 3,590 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 15.6 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/35R19, R: 265/35R19)
As you can see, the Sedan is slower to 60 and the 1/4, 3.5 mph slower through the slalom, .5 g less lateral grip and 120 pounds heavier...which equates to different dynamics
BMW M3 Sedan
$67,370 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109.8 mph
60-0 mph: 105 ft
Slalom: 70.0 mph
Skidpad: 0.90g
Weight: 3,710 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 16.0 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/40ZR18, R: 265/40ZR19)
BMW M3 Coupe
$65,775 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.7 sec @ 112.0 mph
60-0 mph: 100 ft
Slalom: 73.3 mph
Skidpad: 0.95g
Weight: 3,590 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 15.6 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/35R19, R: 265/35R19)
From Car and Driver:
M3 Sedan
Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.9 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.4 sec
Standing �¼-mile: 12.6 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 161 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 328-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g
Curb weight: 3680 lb
M3 Coupe
Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 26.0 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.9 sec
Standing �¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 161 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 147 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.96 g
Curb weight: 3630 lb
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Thanks for the advice...I just did a refresher....
As you can see, the Sedan is slower to 60 and the 1/4, 3.5 mph slower through the slalom, .5 g less lateral grip and 120 pounds heavier...which equates to different dynamics
BMW M3 Sedan
$67,370 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109.8 mph
60-0 mph: 105 ft
Slalom: 70.0 mph
Skidpad: 0.90g
Weight: 3,710 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 16.0 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/40ZR18, R: 265/40ZR19)
BMW M3 Coupe
$65,775 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.7 sec @ 112.0 mph
60-0 mph: 100 ft
Slalom: 73.3 mph
Skidpad: 0.95g
Weight: 3,590 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 15.6 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/35R19, R: 265/35R19)
As you can see, the Sedan is slower to 60 and the 1/4, 3.5 mph slower through the slalom, .5 g less lateral grip and 120 pounds heavier...which equates to different dynamics
BMW M3 Sedan
$67,370 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109.8 mph
60-0 mph: 105 ft
Slalom: 70.0 mph
Skidpad: 0.90g
Weight: 3,710 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 16.0 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/40ZR18, R: 265/40ZR19)
BMW M3 Coupe
$65,775 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.7 sec @ 112.0 mph
60-0 mph: 100 ft
Slalom: 73.3 mph
Skidpad: 0.95g
Weight: 3,590 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 15.6 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/35R19, R: 265/35R19)
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Another source pointing to a RWD W205 C63:
“Don’t necessarily expect the C-Class AMG to have four-wheel drive like the E63 AMG does.” - An AMG employee
Read more: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...#ixzz2qW6KXxfu
“Don’t necessarily expect the C-Class AMG to have four-wheel drive like the E63 AMG does.” - An AMG employee
Read more: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...#ixzz2qW6KXxfu
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http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests...p?c=26&i=29205
"I had a little chat with Tobias. He confirmed the next C63 is forced induction, but also mentioned eight cylinders. He also confirmed it would be two-wheel drive and have the electronic LSD seen on the SLS Black Series. Sounds like a complete weapon."
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RWD confirmed by Chris Harris via Tobias Moers (AMG Product Chief):
http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests...p?c=26&i=29205
"I had a little chat with Tobias. He confirmed the next C63 is forced induction, but also mentioned eight cylinders. He also confirmed it would be two-wheel drive and have the electronic LSD seen on the SLS Black Series. Sounds like a complete weapon."
- Chris Harris
http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests...p?c=26&i=29205
"I had a little chat with Tobias. He confirmed the next C63 is forced induction, but also mentioned eight cylinders. He also confirmed it would be two-wheel drive and have the electronic LSD seen on the SLS Black Series. Sounds like a complete weapon."
- Chris Harris
That's awesome if its true....I hope it's not just in reference to UK spec cars....as you can get a 2014 E63 rear drive in that market
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I spent quite a bit of time in the new C as well as the CLA/GLA this week. I couldn't get used to the iPad screen on the CLA or GLA, everytime I looked over it looked out of place. In the new C, I didn't notice it to be annoying at all within 5 mins. Looking closer at the designs, the CLA screen was thicker and further away from the dash, while the new C screen was thinner. That was enough to make the C screen feel integrated from the drivers seat.
