PkB2014

yep, they said all along the M3 would be the sedan and M4 the coupe. Pretty sure the c63 AMG will be 4MATIC, too. But I guess it's possible it could be optional in some parts of the world.

callmiro

My point was that the M3 coupe does not exist anymore, as it was King of the Hill.


M3 Sedan was never considered superior to the C63 Sedan

bmoney12

I don't understand that logic. Minus 2 doors and a carbon fiber roof there is really no difference between the 2. How can the coupe be superior and the sedan not?

callmiro

Read the reviews...different dynamics...the sedan is longer, taller and heavier

zibby43

I respect your opinion. Both of us have a shot at being right. (Also the M3 still does exist but I see that has already been addressed.)

I think it will be easy to make the new C63 faster since it will: A) Have more power; B) Be at least 250-300 lbs lighter; and C) Likely will have wider rear tires.

I just don't see why you think the new M3 will be faster. The new F80 M3 is supposed to hit 60 in 3.9 seconds with the DCT.

The W204 already hits that with the MCT and Race Start, despite being fatter (heavier) and having skinnier tires on every corner.

I've read the reviews. I can't find a single review where the C63 Sedan beats out the M3 Sedan (even the LCI model). Can you show me one?

The '12+ C63 is currently faster around the 'ring than the E9X M3 by a few seconds. But that's about it.

The M3 sedan has proven to be faster than the old E92 M3 coupe anyway. Something about greater structural rigidity.

bmoney12

Actually the coupe is longer, there really is not much difference in height and according to road test they weigh the same. I think you need a refresher on the reviews.

callmiro

Thanks for the advice...I just did a refresher....


As you can see, the Sedan is slower to 60 and the 1/4, 3.5 mph slower through the slalom, .5 g less lateral grip and 120 pounds heavier...which equates to different dynamics


BMW M3 Sedan
$67,370 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109.8 mph
60-0 mph: 105 ft
Slalom: 70.0 mph
Skidpad: 0.90g
Weight: 3,710 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 16.0 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/40ZR18, R: 265/40ZR19)
BMW M3 Coupe
$65,775 (as tested)
0-60 mph: 4.3 sec (with 1-ft rollout)
1/4-mile: 12.7 sec @ 112.0 mph
60-0 mph: 100 ft
Slalom: 73.3 mph
Skidpad: 0.95g
Weight: 3,590 (as tested)
Fuel economy (avg): 15.6 mpg
Tires: (F: 245/35R19, R: 265/35R19)

bmoney12

Different tests on different days. Weight can vary based on options(DCT, Moonroof, NAV).

From Car and Driver:

M3 Sedan
Zero to 60 mph: 4.1 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.9 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.4 sec
Standing �¼-mile: 12.6 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 161 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 161 ft
Roadholding, 328-ft-dia skidpad: 0.95 g
Curb weight: 3680 lb

M3 Coupe
Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 26.0 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.9 sec
Standing �¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 113 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 161 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 147 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.96 g
Curb weight: 3630 lb

zibby43

C'mon man. We all know that the C63 is objectively faster with respect to a few of the straight line speed measurements (although the skidpad and slalom numbers were refreshing) but the bottom line in all the various reviews has been the same: the M3 retained the throne in the battle of the E9X and W204.

zibby43

Another source pointing to a RWD W205 C63:

“Don’t necessarily expect the C-Class AMG to have four-wheel drive like the E63 AMG does.” - An AMG employee

Read more: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-show...#ixzz2qW6KXxfu

dremorg

Right about now I don't care if it's going to be RWD or AWD...I will be ordering one whenever it becomes available.

zibby43

RWD confirmed by Chris Harris via Tobias Moers (AMG Product Chief):

http://www.pistonheads.com/roadtests...p?c=26&i=29205

"I had a little chat with Tobias. He confirmed the next C63 is forced induction, but also mentioned eight cylinders. He also confirmed it would be two-wheel drive and have the electronic LSD seen on the SLS Black Series. Sounds like a complete weapon."

- Chris Harris

Case1906

Agree on the Nav screen. The CLA is like this and looks pretty bad, like you velcroed an iPad to your dash in a place it was not suppose to be.

callmiro

That's awesome if its true....I hope it's not just in reference to UK spec cars....as you can get a 2014 E63 rear drive in that market

rage2

I spent quite a bit of time in the new C as well as the CLA/GLA this week. I couldn't get used to the iPad screen on the CLA or GLA, everytime I looked over it looked out of place. In the new C, I didn't notice it to be annoying at all within 5 mins. Looking closer at the designs, the CLA screen was thicker and further away from the dash, while the new C screen was thinner. That was enough to make the C screen feel integrated from the drivers seat.