I wonder if his oil cooler is even active? Perhaps there's something wrong with the thermostat?
New Cooling Package (440) for C63s Officially Released
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Just curious. Why do tuners not just program the fans to turn on earlier? I know us f-body GM and vette guys can just install a lower thermostat like a 160 degree (what I have in my trans am) and have the ECU programmed to turn on the fans earlier. Seems easy. Does anyone make a lower degree stat for our cars? If not, maybe weistec can make one if they don't?
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In S+ 225-235 normal driving. Pushing it a bit can easily go to 245. I have not crossed 250, but I have not taken it on a track. This is on 100+ ambient temp days.
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you guys shouldnt worry, until mine implodes , i guess urs will be cool, the very first day i got the car, i think at 400 miles, spirited madness i got it to limp mode, but couldn't check d temp, i freaked out then, but now at 16k miles after 2 years, and countless spirited extreme madness in all temps, i can get to 270 and it runs like it needs to get to mars, if i relax, 5mins tops i get back to 230 for another bout of madness
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I'll be curious how much this helps
They have increased air flow and cooler area but an important variable (perhaps most?) is the pumped oil volume/qty
2 main parameters (we can ignore oa temp since we have no control over it)
Air flow over the coolers
Oil flow thru the coolers
Wonder if the hoses and the cooler passages are bigger
This would reduce pressure drop and increase oil flow
They have increased air flow and cooler area but an important variable (perhaps most?) is the pumped oil volume/qty
2 main parameters (we can ignore oa temp since we have no control over it)
Air flow over the coolers
Oil flow thru the coolers
Wonder if the hoses and the cooler passages are bigger
This would reduce pressure drop and increase oil flow
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If I'm reading this right, it's the cooler setup from the BS, which produces more power and has been tracked by many owners with no reports of overheating. It sounds like they know what they're doing.
Also, it seems to eliminate that annoying fan entirely, which is tells me that they were able to dispense with a hack because the fundamentals are right.
Also, it seems to eliminate that annoying fan entirely, which is tells me that they were able to dispense with a hack because the fundamentals are right.
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They said it was from the F1 Safety Car
Which runs at good speed and airflow
If they know what they are doing why the problem to begin with?
And maybe it is larger flow and cross sectional area for the cooler
ie more flow
What is being done is pumping heat from the engine using the oil and conveying to the air
We are heating the air
Can't control air temp
Can't control air flow...dependent primarily on car speed
Can control oil flow with pump capacity
Increasing pumping by 20% is the same as driving 20% faster
Which runs at good speed and airflow
If they know what they are doing why the problem to begin with?
And maybe it is larger flow and cross sectional area for the cooler
ie more flow
What is being done is pumping heat from the engine using the oil and conveying to the air
We are heating the air
Can't control air temp
Can't control air flow...dependent primarily on car speed
Can control oil flow with pump capacity
Increasing pumping by 20% is the same as driving 20% faster
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They said it was from the F1 Safety Car
Which runs at good speed and airflow
If they know what they are doing why the problem to begin with?
And maybe it is larger flow and cross sectional area for the cooler
ie more flow
What is being done is pumping heat from the engine using the oil and conveying to the air
We are heating the air
Can't control air temp
Can't control air flow...dependent primarily on car speed
Can control oil flow with pump capacity
Increasing pumping by 20% is the same as driving 20% faster
Which runs at good speed and airflow
If they know what they are doing why the problem to begin with?
And maybe it is larger flow and cross sectional area for the cooler
ie more flow
What is being done is pumping heat from the engine using the oil and conveying to the air
We are heating the air
Can't control air temp
Can't control air flow...dependent primarily on car speed
Can control oil flow with pump capacity
Increasing pumping by 20% is the same as driving 20% faster
To hone your review, you might be interested that the cooling system is essentially unchanged from "F1 AMG Medical Car" to "DTM Safety Car" to "C63 Black Series" to Package 44O.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/26/m...tm-safety-car/
Same engine cooling system.
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I wasn't actually responding to your post. If I were, I'd have quoted it. That way, you can know when to start barking at what.
To hone your review, you might be interested that the cooling system is essentially unchanged from "F1 AMG Medical Car" to "DTM Safety Car" to "C63 Black Series" to Package 44O.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/26/m...tm-safety-car/
Same engine cooling system.
To hone your review, you might be interested that the cooling system is essentially unchanged from "F1 AMG Medical Car" to "DTM Safety Car" to "C63 Black Series" to Package 44O.
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/26/m...tm-safety-car/
Same engine cooling system.
Lot of passive agressive hostility nancy
Just because I've called BS on your inane technical rants no need to get huffy
Lol
Wasn't responding to yours, did I quote it?
Lol
Simmer down skippy you're getting bunged up
There is no 'us'
Stop making it personal
And I'll respond any way I like, don't need your permission
The pdf says F1 medical car
Not BS
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I'll be curious how much this helps
They have increased air flow and cooler area but an important variable (perhaps most?) is the pumped oil volume/qty
2 main parameters (we can ignore oa temp since we have no control over it)
Air flow over the coolers
Oil flow thru the coolers
Wonder if the hoses and the cooler passages are bigger
This would reduce pressure drop and increase oil flow
They have increased air flow and cooler area but an important variable (perhaps most?) is the pumped oil volume/qty
2 main parameters (we can ignore oa temp since we have no control over it)
Air flow over the coolers
Oil flow thru the coolers
Wonder if the hoses and the cooler passages are bigger
This would reduce pressure drop and increase oil flow
The F1 Safety/Medical Car used the same oil cooler setup as the Black Series.
That's why this "cooling package" is not applicable to the Black Series models.
If I'm reading this right, it's the cooler setup from the BS, which produces more power and has been tracked by many owners with no reports of overheating. It sounds like they know what they're doing.
Also, it seems to eliminate that annoying fan entirely, which is tells me that they were able to dispense with a hack because the fundamentals are right.
Also, it seems to eliminate that annoying fan entirely, which is tells me that they were able to dispense with a hack because the fundamentals are right.
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What year was the BS introduced? 2012?
The F1 car in 2008 iirc
It won't work on pre-facelift cars either
Does that mean they share the system?
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http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/OIL...305001200.html
The wheel-arch cooler is an engine oil cooler and is from the SLS.
http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/__/OIL...975001600.html
It's similar to the one used in the BS:
http://www.mbpartsworld.com/p/Merced...975001200.html
In the SLS it's one of a pair, but the left side cooler that 44O uses differs in mounting details, as far as I can tell from the diagrams, from the one used in the BS and all those other models.
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All fitments of both larger wheel-arch units dispense with the fan because they're large enough to work without one. The fan is counter-productive at speed because it blocks the airstream. It was a hack necessitated by a cooler with 50% less surface area.
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Yes, this info was posted on the AMG PL site a few days ago. My dealer (AMG Performance Center) has been looking into it since the beginning of the week but they have no availability & pricing info on it yet as it all has to come from Germany. IIRC from the posts on PL, AMG USA has yet to "test the solution" before they will make it available in the US. No pricing info exists yet outside of Europe where someone was quoted about 3K Euros.
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If I understand correctly, this removes the oil cooling fan? If correct, and its a semi-reasonable price I will go for it. I cant stand the cooling fan when idling on a hot day (even on a cold day its a problem but my windows are down less).
I have asked my dealer for pricing and availability in Australia.
I have asked my dealer for pricing and availability in Australia.
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The existance of this also explains why the C63s were so quiet at the recent AMG track day I went to. I was really surprised when we changed cars that the 507's were so quiet. I wonder what other changes they make to them for these days...
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For those interested, here are the prices for parts and install in Australia:
Panel: A2048800600 $690.00 Inc tax
Cooling System: A2045005700 $2900.00 Inc tax
$2000.00 for the install
So, approx $5.5k installed.
Looking into it further, it seems you will still get the cooling fan noise, but potentially reduced as it will be required less. For road driving, benefits seem marginal for that cost.
Panel: A2048800600 $690.00 Inc tax
Cooling System: A2045005700 $2900.00 Inc tax
$2000.00 for the install
So, approx $5.5k installed.
Looking into it further, it seems you will still get the cooling fan noise, but potentially reduced as it will be required less. For road driving, benefits seem marginal for that cost.
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But it does seem worthwhile only if your track the car.
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I'm looking at .pdf in first post of this thread.
Page 22 shows refitting new oil cooler. I don't see the fan on that page.
Page 3 says "Elimination: Extractor fan in the wheel arch right."
Page 23 shows adding plug and seal to terminate fan power connector (presumably to avoid SAM diagnosing missing fan).
Don't mean to be argumentative but we're not reading this the same way.
Page 22 shows refitting new oil cooler. I don't see the fan on that page.
Page 3 says "Elimination: Extractor fan in the wheel arch right."
Page 23 shows adding plug and seal to terminate fan power connector (presumably to avoid SAM diagnosing missing fan).
Don't mean to be argumentative but we're not reading this the same way.
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I'm looking at .pdf in first post of this thread.
Page 22 shows refitting new oil cooler. I don't see the fan on that page.
Page 3 says "Elimination: Extractor fan in the wheel arch right."
Page 23 shows adding plug and seal to terminate fan power connector (presumably to avoid SAM diagnosing missing fan).
Don't mean to be argumentative but we're not reading this the same way.
Page 22 shows refitting new oil cooler. I don't see the fan on that page.
Page 3 says "Elimination: Extractor fan in the wheel arch right."
Page 23 shows adding plug and seal to terminate fan power connector (presumably to avoid SAM diagnosing missing fan).
Don't mean to be argumentative but we're not reading this the same way.
The key thing being that the new cooler does not includes its own fan, and that does not appear to the case from viewing of page 16.
The confusing thing for me is, the C63BS does have a fan (from reading posts of JRCart), so it appears this solution is different (better?) than the BS solution?
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Ok, I recall reading posts from JRcart that Weistec had made changes as to when the fan came on (ie at high speeds they made it switch off as it was actually less effective) on his BS, but he must have been talking about something else.
