Why I traded my C63 for M3 and M3 for MkVII GTI
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C63 AMG 507 Edition
I understand. I have the C63 sitting in the garage along with other cars and take the GTI daily to work. It has a tune and has about 285hp which is enough in stop and go traffic. It's also easy, no big deal if it rains and not the end of the world if I get a rock chip or anything else.
At the same time, I'm not selling the C63 AMG, Viper, Bike, etc because when I want to drive them they are there and you need to have your fun too!
At the same time, I'm not selling the C63 AMG, Viper, Bike, etc because when I want to drive them they are there and you need to have your fun too!
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C63s AMG W205
I understand wat the op is trying to say.
Honestly after a while in my tuned c63 (kw v3 n tuned ecu), i still prefer a jcw mini i owned before. I cannot really get c63 to its limits that easily, maybe just a couple of hard pulls to 110km/h, the limited grip from C63 doesnt really make corning easy. whereas i felt like the jcw cud b driven at 75% max all the time in urban driving condition.
Honestly after a while in my tuned c63 (kw v3 n tuned ecu), i still prefer a jcw mini i owned before. I cannot really get c63 to its limits that easily, maybe just a couple of hard pulls to 110km/h, the limited grip from C63 doesnt really make corning easy. whereas i felt like the jcw cud b driven at 75% max all the time in urban driving condition.
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I think the OP should be applauded for telling his story. I traded my 2012 C63 after 15 months on a 991S as I loved the sound of the C63 but those skinny tyres made it too hard to get off the mark in the wet. I don't own a Golf and never have but they seem to be well regarded by the motoring writers. Live and let live. Enjoy your car whatever it is.
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Is destitute by 60, must continue working until 75, retirement consists of ramen noodles and a ****ty apartment, no travel, no luxuries...just surviving.
The "you could die tomorrow" attitude is a crutch and excuse of people who want to be reckless with their money.
Everything is a balance, including expenditures on luxuries like performance cars.
GTIs are great vehicles. enjoy yours!
live for today but plan for tomorrow
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C63 AMG
doesn't invest money, buys cool car instead.
Is destitute by 60, must continue working until 75, retirement consists of ramen noodles and a ****ty apartment, no travel, no luxuries...just surviving.
The "you could die tomorrow" attitude is a crutch and excuse of people who want to be reckless with their money.
Everything is a balance, including expenditures on luxuries like performance cars.
GTIs are great vehicles. enjoy yours!
live for today but plan for tomorrow
Is destitute by 60, must continue working until 75, retirement consists of ramen noodles and a ****ty apartment, no travel, no luxuries...just surviving.
The "you could die tomorrow" attitude is a crutch and excuse of people who want to be reckless with their money.
Everything is a balance, including expenditures on luxuries like performance cars.
GTIs are great vehicles. enjoy yours!
live for today but plan for tomorrow
you lose money on every car transaction
M3 to C63 to GTi
loss, loss, loss
if a car purchase when young determines the financial course of your life you are screwed deep and hard
if it is a concern, drive the car until the wheels fall off, that is the way to do it, not change cars like shoes every few years
I'm not saying live like there is no tomorrow, but live for today
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buying the GTi probably LOST him money
you lose money on every car transaction
M3 to C63 to GTi
loss, loss, loss
if a car purchase when young determines the financial course of your life you are screwed deep and hard
if it is a concern, drive the car until the wheels fall off, that is the way to do it, not change cars like shoes every few years
I'm not saying live like there is no tomorrow, but live for today
you lose money on every car transaction
M3 to C63 to GTi
loss, loss, loss
if a car purchase when young determines the financial course of your life you are screwed deep and hard
if it is a concern, drive the car until the wheels fall off, that is the way to do it, not change cars like shoes every few years
I'm not saying live like there is no tomorrow, but live for today
Switching cars is certainly a good way to go through money quickly, no argument there.
Its not just a single car purchase. Its the theory that since I might die tomorrow, I'm going to buy things I can't afford (or can barely afford) including high end cars, watches, whatever. Its a lifestyle, not a single decision.
I'm not sure anyone is saying that you can't spend any money on nicer items or that you have to drive the car till it dies, but a lot of young people get themselves into financial trouble to buy that expensive whatever (m3, c63, 911, whatever).
Hell, with some creative financing, almost anyone can drive around in a lambo...just gotta hope you die in the near future.
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buying the GTi probably LOST him money
you lose money on every car transaction
M3 to C63 to GTi
loss, loss, loss
if a car purchase when young determines the financial course of your life you are screwed deep and hard
if it is a concern, drive the car until the wheels fall off, that is the way to do it, not change cars like shoes every few years
I'm not saying live like there is no tomorrow, but live for today
you lose money on every car transaction
M3 to C63 to GTi
loss, loss, loss
if a car purchase when young determines the financial course of your life you are screwed deep and hard
if it is a concern, drive the car until the wheels fall off, that is the way to do it, not change cars like shoes every few years
I'm not saying live like there is no tomorrow, but live for today
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PS, this thread wasn't originally about finances.
I think the OP's argument for why cars like the GTI are more fun on a daily basis has some validity. Old saying that its more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow and whatnot.
I still manage to use my 911's 430bhp constantly, but i can see his point.
I think the OP's argument for why cars like the GTI are more fun on a daily basis has some validity. Old saying that its more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow and whatnot.
I still manage to use my 911's 430bhp constantly, but i can see his point.
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C63 AMG
It was an 2009 c63 modded
He bought a new GTi
With an M3 in the middle
I'm guessing over less than 5 years
I'm betting he lost a lot on the transactions
Better off driving a stock c 63 without the intervening machinations
Insurance will be similar
Fuel will be the difference, and may be moot depending how much he drives
Not saying car decisions shouldn't be heavily financially weighted decision based
But GOOD not BAD decisions
Looking at the op's join date I bet this all transpiredover a 2 to 3 year period, if that
He bought a new GTi
With an M3 in the middle
I'm guessing over less than 5 years
I'm betting he lost a lot on the transactions
Better off driving a stock c 63 without the intervening machinations
Insurance will be similar
Fuel will be the difference, and may be moot depending how much he drives
Not saying car decisions shouldn't be heavily financially weighted decision based
But GOOD not BAD decisions
Looking at the op's join date I bet this all transpiredover a 2 to 3 year period, if that
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C63 Coupe
I understand wat the op is trying to say.
Honestly after a while in my tuned c63 (kw v3 n tuned ecu), i still prefer a jcw mini i owned before. I cannot really get c63 to its limits that easily, maybe just a couple of hard pulls to 110km/h, the limited grip from C63 doesnt really make corning easy. whereas i felt like the jcw cud b driven at 75% max all the time in urban driving condition.
Honestly after a while in my tuned c63 (kw v3 n tuned ecu), i still prefer a jcw mini i owned before. I cannot really get c63 to its limits that easily, maybe just a couple of hard pulls to 110km/h, the limited grip from C63 doesnt really make corning easy. whereas i felt like the jcw cud b driven at 75% max all the time in urban driving condition.
To it's limits and the limited grip doesn't make cornering easy?? The c63 has a great chassis with some of the best steering feel around. You have coil overs get a limited slip diff and put 275 RE-11's In the rear.
You will have more then enough grip to scare the sheet out of you
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Balance is the key word here. Total cost of ownership (which is available on Edmunds) includes depreciation, interest payments, insurance, taxes, maintenance and fuel. Depreciation is higher as a percentage on newer cars but higher absolute value on more expensive cars. Sales taxes will bite every time you buy. So, buying an expensive new car every few years and riding the steepest part of a tall depreciation roller coaster will cost you the most money. Buying a cheap, dependable used car and keeping it a long time is the smartest thing to do financially. If you were trying to run a company and be profitable, this is what you would do.
What I see people doing is not only buying foolishly new and expensive to own cars, but with no apparent understanding of the tradeoffs they are making. Spending the money on the car means it is not available for other things. In the case of AMG cars for young people, the tradeoff could be 1) have an AMG before age 30 vs 2) invest the same amount in rental properties which could throw off enough income to pay the lease on a new C63. Compound interest for investments is magic and the ages of 20-30 make a huge and critical difference years down the line. Every dollar saved at age 20 can be worth double every dollar saved at age 30, by retirement time.
What I see people doing is not only buying foolishly new and expensive to own cars, but with no apparent understanding of the tradeoffs they are making. Spending the money on the car means it is not available for other things. In the case of AMG cars for young people, the tradeoff could be 1) have an AMG before age 30 vs 2) invest the same amount in rental properties which could throw off enough income to pay the lease on a new C63. Compound interest for investments is magic and the ages of 20-30 make a huge and critical difference years down the line. Every dollar saved at age 20 can be worth double every dollar saved at age 30, by retirement time.
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C63 AMG
If he would have kept the amg and avoided the other 2 transactions he would be ahead
He would have been further ahead had he initially bought a cheaper car than the amg
In theses days of $400 cell/ cable/internet bills and $5 coffee there are many ways to save money
My parents taught me a simple rule: save at least 20% of gross
Been doing since I had a paper route
Sacrifice to do so, adjust budget as required
Drive a car a bit longer
Eat out less often
Whatever
But enjoy yourself with the rest
The wiser I lived financially and the more I made the easier it became to save more and treat myself with more...as much as investment book sellers want you to belive it's complicated, it is not
Dying with a pile of money is not an accomplished life imho
It proves nothing
It's the people that will miss you that counts
Not the ones waiting for the reading of your will lol
He would have been further ahead had he initially bought a cheaper car than the amg
In theses days of $400 cell/ cable/internet bills and $5 coffee there are many ways to save money
My parents taught me a simple rule: save at least 20% of gross
Been doing since I had a paper route
Sacrifice to do so, adjust budget as required
Drive a car a bit longer
Eat out less often
Whatever
But enjoy yourself with the rest
The wiser I lived financially and the more I made the easier it became to save more and treat myself with more...as much as investment book sellers want you to belive it's complicated, it is not
Dying with a pile of money is not an accomplished life imho
It proves nothing
It's the people that will miss you that counts
Not the ones waiting for the reading of your will lol
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LOL at the OP's justification. So much so that he came on here and posted his "reasons" as if he wanted to convince himself that he did the right thing.
So is there some rule that you have to drive your C63 at full throttle all the time? Ridiculous! What's great about the C63 is that you can drive it just like a normal C class. And it will act like a normal C class. And unless people know what a C63 is, they think its just a regular C class, so I don't get his testosterone come back.
So is there some rule that you have to drive your C63 at full throttle all the time? Ridiculous! What's great about the C63 is that you can drive it just like a normal C class. And it will act like a normal C class. And unless people know what a C63 is, they think its just a regular C class, so I don't get his testosterone come back.
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LOL at the OP's justification. So much so that he came on here and posted his "reasons" as if he wanted to convince himself that he did the right thing. So is there some rule that you have to drive your C63 at full throttle all the time? Ridiculous! What's great about the C63 is that you can drive it just like a normal C class. And it will act like a normal C class. And unless people know what a C63 is, they think its just a regular C class, so I don't get his testosterone come back.
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doesn't invest money, buys cool car instead.
Is destitute by 60, must continue working until 75, retirement consists of ramen noodles and a ****ty apartment, no travel, no luxuries...just surviving.
The "you could die tomorrow" attitude is a crutch and excuse of people who want to be reckless with their money.
Everything is a balance, including expenditures on luxuries like performance cars.
GTIs are great vehicles. enjoy yours!
live for today but plan for tomorrow
Is destitute by 60, must continue working until 75, retirement consists of ramen noodles and a ****ty apartment, no travel, no luxuries...just surviving.
The "you could die tomorrow" attitude is a crutch and excuse of people who want to be reckless with their money.
Everything is a balance, including expenditures on luxuries like performance cars.
GTIs are great vehicles. enjoy yours!
live for today but plan for tomorrow
I wasn't entirely serious just putting out the other extreme. **** by the time i'll be ready to retire I'll be lucky if social security kicks in by 80 much less if it even exists anymore. It's sad whats happening to this great country.
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2014 C63 Sedan
While I agree with the part about not using the car's to the full potential 90% of the time, but getting to feel that "throw me back into my seat" acceleration does happen enough for me, even when accelerating to just 45 mph. The sound I experience when doing that is also something I love. The ability to easily pass up cars on the freeway when needed, safely getting out of the way, is nice to have. The sound of the throttle blips when downshifting.....I could go on and on.
Lastly, when I do get the chance to open it up that's when paying for it all becomes really worth it (even though to me it's already worth it for all of the above).
To put this in context, I used to drive a Toyota Highlander before this. Sometimes I have to drive it again or when I drop my car off for service and get a C250 loaner, I can't tell you how much I wish I was back in my car. It doesn't come down to 100% performance or bust all the time. It comes down to the whole package (and given that I let alot of my friend's drive my car and afterwards the comments are "man I need to get an AMG" or "I hate driving this thing because after I have to get back into my own car and it makes me feel so bad about it (power wise)" I'd say that most other people want to be in the AMG boat rather than the underpowered-but-I-use-all-200-horses boat.
Lastly, when I do get the chance to open it up that's when paying for it all becomes really worth it (even though to me it's already worth it for all of the above).
To put this in context, I used to drive a Toyota Highlander before this. Sometimes I have to drive it again or when I drop my car off for service and get a C250 loaner, I can't tell you how much I wish I was back in my car. It doesn't come down to 100% performance or bust all the time. It comes down to the whole package (and given that I let alot of my friend's drive my car and afterwards the comments are "man I need to get an AMG" or "I hate driving this thing because after I have to get back into my own car and it makes me feel so bad about it (power wise)" I'd say that most other people want to be in the AMG boat rather than the underpowered-but-I-use-all-200-horses boat.
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C63s AMG W205
You can't get the c63 close To it's limits and the limited grip doesn't make cornering easy?? The c63 has a great chassis with some of the best steering feel around. You have coil overs get a limited slip diff and put 275 RE-11's In the rear. You will have more then enough grip to scare the sheet out of you
