Break in procedure
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I've broken in allot of engines of my own and allot of LARGE (6,000 + hp) engines at work.
Follow the Merc recommendations. This is common for any high performance engine ecpected to perform like these do.
Also vary the load a bit. Once beyond 1,000 miles gradually increase load.
Just today I drove past the 1,000 mile mark in my AMG 507 and its been a blast.
Also, check your oil. You'll likely be low before hitting the 1,000 mi mark.
Have Fun !!
Follow the Merc recommendations. This is common for any high performance engine ecpected to perform like these do.
Also vary the load a bit. Once beyond 1,000 miles gradually increase load.
Just today I drove past the 1,000 mile mark in my AMG 507 and its been a blast.
Also, check your oil. You'll likely be low before hitting the 1,000 mi mark.
Have Fun !!
So I shouldn't do 20,000 mile oil changes either?
An engine should be run-in and broke-in
I think they electrically drive them for basic run in
Spending a few k miles on an engine that may do 200k is reasonable
The upside? The m156 sounds GREAT at 4500 rpm and below
That's the beauty of this car, you don't have to wring it out to enjoy it
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You are the all knowing, however Know this: No one gives a Sh*t about your or my story and what matters in life is beyond your irrelevancy online.
You are correct, the break in period advice given by AMG engineers should be followed if one is looking to keep a car past its lease term. For those who lease their cars, it really doesn't matter.
Lease a car. Car breaks down. Drive a dealer supplied loaner until car is fixed under warranty. Turn the car in at the end of lease or earlier, and hope they CPO it for their next customer.
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Simmer down lil' cowpoke
No need for mean spirited ridicule and personal attacks
We all work hard for our stuff
That is why we should respect it for the effort it took to obtain it
I'm not saying like a human or a pet, but something instead of nothing
It took 'time' to earn it, the most precious commodity
The people that built these cars put some of theirselves into it
One actually signs it!!!
Respect the ART
Would you just staple through a Picasso to put it on the wall?
You need to lighten up
If you want to trash your stuff fine
But please don't advise others that break-in per the manual is BS
No need for mean spirited ridicule and personal attacks
We all work hard for our stuff
That is why we should respect it for the effort it took to obtain it
I'm not saying like a human or a pet, but something instead of nothing
It took 'time' to earn it, the most precious commodity
The people that built these cars put some of theirselves into it
One actually signs it!!!
Respect the ART
Would you just staple through a Picasso to put it on the wall?
You need to lighten up
If you want to trash your stuff fine
But please don't advise others that break-in per the manual is BS
No, you're just a bit annoying like a fly and that's it. I actually enjoy your short line by line statements. I sometimes wonder if your left and right brain hemispheres are connected.
You are the all knowing, however Know this: No one gives a Sh*t about your or my story and what matters in life is beyond your irrelevancy online.
You are correct, the break in period advice given by AMG engineers should be followed if one is looking to keep a car past its lease term. For those who lease their cars, it really doesn't matter.
Lease a car. Car breaks down. Drive a dealer supplied loaner until car is fixed under warranty. Turn the car in at the end of lease or earlier, and hope they CPO it for their next customer.
You are the all knowing, however Know this: No one gives a Sh*t about your or my story and what matters in life is beyond your irrelevancy online.
You are correct, the break in period advice given by AMG engineers should be followed if one is looking to keep a car past its lease term. For those who lease their cars, it really doesn't matter.
Lease a car. Car breaks down. Drive a dealer supplied loaner until car is fixed under warranty. Turn the car in at the end of lease or earlier, and hope they CPO it for their next customer.
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Simmer down lil' cowpoke
No need for mean spirited ridicule and personal attacks
We all work hard for our stuff
That is why we should respect it for the effort it took to obtain it
I'm not saying like a human or a pet, but something instead of nothing
It took 'time' to earn it, the most precious commodity
The people that built these cars put some of theirselves into it
One actually signs it!!!
Respect the ART
Would you just staple through a Picasso to put it on the wall?
You need to lighten up
If you want to trash your stuff fine
But please don't advise others that break-in per the manual is BS
No need for mean spirited ridicule and personal attacks
We all work hard for our stuff
That is why we should respect it for the effort it took to obtain it
I'm not saying like a human or a pet, but something instead of nothing
It took 'time' to earn it, the most precious commodity
The people that built these cars put some of theirselves into it
One actually signs it!!!
Respect the ART
Would you just staple through a Picasso to put it on the wall?
You need to lighten up
If you want to trash your stuff fine
But please don't advise others that break-in per the manual is BS
I agree, an AMG engine is nothing short of a piece of art and I've never advised others against the manual instructions and have repeatedly stated that AMG's advice is sound advice (although somewhat engineered in favor of manufacturer to prevent warranty payouts) and must be followed if one is interested in keeping a car long term (5-15+ yrs)
Happy motoring
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Dude, saying you drove it against manufacturers recommendations and that you've had no issues is like saying you've smoked cigarettes for 15 years and had no issues. It's nonsensical. Even more so if you're just going to pass it on to someone else (but it's your car, so do as you like with it of course, hence "buyer beware"). Kudos to you for your rags-to-riches success story though 
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You need to stop labeling people you don't know
But more importantly for your state of mind stop letting people at the other end of a wire have anything to do WITH your state of mind
Not that it's my business or feigning that I care much
Just saying
Peace
The AMG is something special
2 guys get together who worked for MB and start a company almost 50 years ago hotrodding MB's
Become an arm of the factory racing team and eventually bought by MB for mucho dinero
It's a gearhead dream lol
But more importantly for your state of mind stop letting people at the other end of a wire have anything to do WITH your state of mind
Not that it's my business or feigning that I care much
Just saying
Peace
The AMG is something special
2 guys get together who worked for MB and start a company almost 50 years ago hotrodding MB's
Become an arm of the factory racing team and eventually bought by MB for mucho dinero
It's a gearhead dream lol
You are a very annoying person, but I get a kick outta your comments. I apologize for being somewhat mean and if I attacked you personally.
I agree, an AMG engine is nothing short of a piece of art and I've never advised others against the manual instructions and have repeatedly stated that AMG's advice is sound advice (although somewhat engineered in favor of manufacturer to prevent warranty payouts) and must be followed if one is interested in keeping a car long term (5-15+ yrs)
Happy motoring
I agree, an AMG engine is nothing short of a piece of art and I've never advised others against the manual instructions and have repeatedly stated that AMG's advice is sound advice (although somewhat engineered in favor of manufacturer to prevent warranty payouts) and must be followed if one is interested in keeping a car long term (5-15+ yrs)
Happy motoring
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Fast forward to 11:30 and you'll see that even the factory has broken the break in rules lol. Some of the other brands run each car on a test track ***** out, but still publish break in procedures to satisfy the owners that doesn't understand technological progress. Or maybe it's to break in ex BMW owners who aren't used to the torque.
But hey, this is the internet. Don't believe anything you see or read.
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http://youtu.be/O_k28mTp0BE
Fast forward to 11:30 and you'll see that even the factory has broken the break in rules lol. Some of the other brands run each car on a test track ***** out, but still publish break in procedures to satisfy the owners that doesn't understand technological progress.
But hey, this is the internet. Don't believe anything you see or read.
Fast forward to 11:30 and you'll see that even the factory has broken the break in rules lol. Some of the other brands run each car on a test track ***** out, but still publish break in procedures to satisfy the owners that doesn't understand technological progress.
But hey, this is the internet. Don't believe anything you see or read.
Controlled light load on a dyno at what rpm?
For 10 seconds or less?
Break in is for long term mating of materials
It is detailed in the manual with special conditions for AMG's
Break in takes 25 hours (1000 miles / typical avg speed of 40)
Not 10 seconds under light load with limited rpm
No one is saying a minor short term excursion will damage it
But total disregard will, 95% adherance not 0%
People can do what they like
Telling people to ignore the mfgs manual instructions is bad advice
Drive it like you stole it
I live a 1/4 mile at a time
Racing is life, everything else is waiting
All childish BS LOL
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Ferrari also breaks in some of their cars on the track prior to leaving the factory. If you step back and look at the big picture, do you really think a car manufacturer will dictate reliability, and thus warranty claims and added expense, by leaving it in the hands of lot jockeys during transport, and end users who has a choice of driving a new vehicle any way they see fit?
At the end of the day, breaking it easy will put you at ease, and breaking it in hard will put me at ease.
At the end of the day, breaking it easy will put you at ease, and breaking it in hard will put me at ease.
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There is no 'big picture'
No magic, mojo, feelings involved
There is the mfgs written instructions PERIOD
There is no conspiracy, only sound and time tested/proven engineering principles
They are not afraid of lot jockies or parking attendents
No mystery, only the manual which captures 100 years of car building experience
It is not dictated by our 'feelings' (at 'ease') that will determine what will mate surfaces and seat the rings best
It is sound engineering practice that is actually written in the manual
What you say is wrong and bad advice PERIOD
Still going with the first oil change is at 20.000 miles?
No magic, mojo, feelings involved
There is the mfgs written instructions PERIOD
There is no conspiracy, only sound and time tested/proven engineering principles
They are not afraid of lot jockies or parking attendents
No mystery, only the manual which captures 100 years of car building experience
It is not dictated by our 'feelings' (at 'ease') that will determine what will mate surfaces and seat the rings best
It is sound engineering practice that is actually written in the manual
What you say is wrong and bad advice PERIOD
Still going with the first oil change is at 20.000 miles?
Ferrari also breaks in some of their cars on the track prior to leaving the factory. If you step back and look at the big picture, do you really think a car manufacturer will dictate reliability, and thus warranty claims and added expense, by leaving it in the hands of lot jockeys during transport, and end users who has a choice of driving a new vehicle any way they see fit?
At the end of the day, breaking it easy will put you at ease, and breaking it in hard will put me at ease.
At the end of the day, breaking it easy will put you at ease, and breaking it in hard will put me at ease.
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AMG's way
It's in THEIR manual
Trust me I do mot take you seriously lol
There is no 'us' lol
My wife has nothing to do with it
Leave her out of it
Don't get personal and use backhanded insults and attacks
You would show more respect in person
Whether out of cowardice or courtesy I care not lol
Apparently Ferrari feels the same
In EVERY manual http://www.ferraridatabase.com/The_D...als_Owners.htm
You are wrong
This is not opinion
It is in the manual because MB believes it is sound advice
You know, the exact opposite of yours
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xxu...s-ferrari_auto
Fast forward to 41m. I guess Ferarri breaks all their break in rules too.
Fast forward to 41m. I guess Ferarri breaks all their break in rules too.
But it is WRITTEN in all manuals worldwide
Same comments as the MB video, irrelavent
You are still wrong PERIOD
Follow the manual
We are not smarter than the people that design the cars
Accept it
You are dead wrong
You can't twist you mistaken position into a correct one
PERIOD
Still going with the initial 20,000 mile oil change advice??? Lol
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I'm in Canada, and I'm fairly sure it's 20k kms, not miles. I don't remember what the exact recommended is but I change my oils more often than not because I drive a lot harder than others. I'll have to look it up if you're so **** about it.
But sure, focus on that lol.
But sure, focus on that lol.
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Which you confirmed
So now you say 20k kilometers ? Lol 12500 miles?
Not 16k km or 10000 miles?
OK
You drive 'harder' than others
How do you know how 'hard' others drive?
You must be a 1 percenter
Live fast, die young, leave a good lookin' corpse
Those who dare win
Lol
Cliche
So the manual is correct ref: lsd break in
But wrong about engine break in
wtf???
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Again, referring to what Ferrari might do misses the point. I'm sure that neither Ferrari, not any other manufacturer, is going to put ROAD MILES on their car, breaking in the entire drivetrain. I don't know of any manufacturer that sells a "new" car with 1500 miles already on the odometer (if there is one, let me know). Yes, you can run an engine pre/post install, but again, the break-in recs aren't some folly. Don't follow them, that's you're call, but it's mistaken, plain and simple. If you think you know better you're wrong.
I choose to do all sorts of stuff, and kudos to you and everyone for doing what the heck you want. I'd be driving a Prius if I was really sensible but I want to have fun. I guess there's a spectrum of personalities and approaches on what to do with a new car. And that's fine. But don't recommend that anyone else follow your reasoning, as it may be flawed.
I choose to do all sorts of stuff, and kudos to you and everyone for doing what the heck you want. I'd be driving a Prius if I was really sensible but I want to have fun. I guess there's a spectrum of personalities and approaches on what to do with a new car. And that's fine. But don't recommend that anyone else follow your reasoning, as it may be flawed.
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I think the issue that is overlooked by the "drive it like I stole it" break-in crowd is that kind of advice is experientially and anecdotally based on traditional cylinder bore technology, up to and including iron liners. Now we have gas plasma sprayed, Nikasil, Alusil etc. And speaking from experience I can state that a Nikasil or plasma-treated bore takes much longer to complete break-in than old-style bores. Oil consumption in the C63 dropped from 1 ltr per 750 miles to the now-current 1ltr per 5K miles, declining steadily over mileage and stabilizing around the 18K miles point. I had a virtually identical experience in a 5 ltr Nikasil V8. Trusting the factory break-in guidelines strikes me as a no-brainer...otherwise we are in uncharted territory IMO and is reaming it out early really worth it?
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Go to each countries website and see for yourself
The only difference is km vs miles
Big bad lawyers did it
Did the 'lawyers' write the SAE paprs too?
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If it makes you feel any better for me to be wrong about hard break ins, then so be it. I've got better things to do on a weekend than to argue on the internet where nobody wins.
Have fun living your life and making decisions from an instructions manual lol. I hope you don't take the bible literally too.
Have fun living your life and making decisions from an instructions manual lol. I hope you don't take the bible literally too.
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If it makes you feel any better for me to be wrong about hard break ins, then so be it. I've got better things to do on a weekend than to argue on the internet where nobody wins.
Have fun living your life and making decisions from an instructions manual lol. I hope you don't take the bible literally too.
Have fun living your life and making decisions from an instructions manual lol. I hope you don't take the bible literally too.
So now you ridicule religion? Peoples faith?
Really?
I am personally not offended but I'm sure many are
Btw: break in is science the other is faith
And btw you don't make me 'feel' anything, get over yourself
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind."
Don't confuse living your life by a manual with operating a machine according to the mfgs manual...I'm surprised you would confuse the two?
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