demetaktak

Hey guys. I am looking to trading my E55 for an 08 c63 sedan and really wanna know what to expect beforei actually set out and do it so that i dnt get disappointed or smthn.
My car is currently running at 500whp/560wtq 60-130 6.9/7.0s
From what i saw longtubes, ecu, CAI and larger TBs can give the c class about 500whp and 450wtq.
How much slower, is so, would that be over mine?. I m currently tuning it and expecting about 560whp
I know i will love the no more heat soak part 😂😂
Please chime in with ur ideas. I will definitely keep in mind.
The final idea is to have it weistec supercharged in the future. Too expensive for now. Is there any other alternative for 63 engine, other than weistec or kleemann?
Turbo?

CarHopper

The only option for an S/C application should be Weistec. If that is ever a serious option that is.

The C will probably be faster in the top end mainly because of the differences in trannies. You might lose that feeling of quickness without the s/c in your e55, however, the c will just keep pulling harder and harder the faster you get going.

Just head over to YouTube and watch some videos.

One thing I will say, it is cheaper to mod the e55 than the c63 and experience greater gains. There are really only 3 big hp gains to get out of the c63. 1) Tune. 2) Headers. 3) S/C. A tune and headers, however, can be good for 100whp on a car that comes from the factory struggling for grip to begin with.

You'll also want to get an LSD in there.

As for turbo's, nope. Not going to happen. That topic maybe gets heavily debated once a year in these parts and the fact of the matter is there is no room. They'd either have to get rear mounted or shave basically everything out of the engine bay. Someone did put the new 5.5 Biturbo m157 in a CBS which I think ended up being slower than a stage 3 weistec s/c CBS.

gzim335

Ur 500whp e55 isnt doing 60 to 130 in 6.9sec thats for sure unless going downhill
Edit not withh 500whp ,u lucky to be in the 8s

CarHopper

I let the 60-130 slide because I didn't want this to become a bashing thread. But, very unlikely. Here are some examples:

Ferrari Enzo – 7.00
SLR McLaren – 7.24
Porsche Carrera GT – 7.3
Ferrari 458 – 7.8
Corvette ZR1 – 7.8

I pulled those from AMS who also has a m157 alpha 9 e63 going 60-130 in 6.58.

demetaktak

lol. Sorry about that typo , 7.9/8.0 60-130.
Do got friends 212 e63 weistec running 6.1s
Whats the average 60-130 for 500whp c?
I make most of the parts for myself, or have cheap access, so modding is not a problem. Weistec blower is smthn i cant get for cheap, thats a fact.

ab0bab0i

W212 E63 came with 2 motors.
M156(same as C63) and M157.

Which one does your friend have?

Johnnie58

2012 is a turbo bro

demetaktak

156 weistec stage 3

CarHopper

This thread should just get locked for the amount of wrong that is in here.

A w212 e63 only comes with 1 motor, the M157 that is a 5.5 biturbo. A w211 e63 has the m156. So, your claim that the w212 e63 has a m156 that is stage 3 weistec is just wrong (unless they swapped which I'm sure didn't happen). You said this even after the fact someone pointed out a w212 does not come with the m156.

I'm also no longer buying the 60-130 6.9/7.0 being a typo. Two reasons, there are 4 numbers there and you're just not going to eff that up. Next, if the car was actually that quick you'd have an exact number via vbox and not a tenth of a second range. Clearly it is just a guess as you 1-mississippi your way up to 7 mississip-- at your own pace.

Finally, making your own parts for this car? Haha. Cheap access? Yea, lets put cheap parts on an AMG and see how they last. This isn't a car meant to have hacked up old exhaust parts welded together to form headers using 75 different welds just so its cheap.

I'm sorry, tried to give you the benefit of the doubt at first, and I'm usually the nice guy here, but................

gzim335

Ur rite about most of it but
W212 in 2011 came with m156 and 2012 came with m157 n its the only year they offered m157 in rwd on a eclass and with carbon ceramics and non pano roof its the lightest m157 car u can buy n prob fastest.

CarHopper

^Ah that is right. I just blocked the w212 m156 out of my head because I've looked to buy 212's before and the only one that makes sense to me is the m157.

So, apologies for that. But I still stand by the rest of that

ab0bab0i

So I was right about W212 E63 having 2 motors.

demetaktak

1. U already got an answer on the engine.
2. Tenth of a second difference deppending on the night, moslty temp, its not a naturally aspireted like the m156.
3. I really got nothing to prove or show off, so i got no reason to lie my 60/130, i merely started this thread to get a feel of what the owners of c63. Clearly i did not find that here. Clearly.
Thanks anyway though.
Oh and lastly, unless u have come across the parts that i have made and seen it at work i would find it nothing but arrogant to judge before knowing. But again. I aint got **** to prove.
Cheers bro.

gaspam

i had an e55 with 180m pulley, LTH, tune and cooling and now have a c63 with LTH and tune.... they feel pretty close in acceleration... both have traction issues off the line (e55 was worse at hooking on street).... on highway after about 100mph c63 feels like its got more pull left in it.... both transmissions are kinda lazy but the e55 is more lazy so find myself having to use kickdown in it more often....

if you s/c the c63 then hands down its faster

also the c63 responds to nitrous very well and much cheaper than s/c

demetaktak

Unfortunately nos is not an option for me in my country. Its ilegal.
My E is pretty fast. And making it faster now. I m sure i will have have much more driving pleasure. I just hope it will outweigh the power loss.
I will eventually weistec charge it, but fir now its out of question.
Was also thinkin if the 55 blower clould be modded to fit the 63 engine.
Would be as good as weistec but i bet i could pull out 100whp at least.

johnnyblaze

I went from a 560 whp E55 to a 481 whp C63 FBO.

Yes my E55 was faster, but not by much. The E55 is a torque/quarter mile stud, but the suspension and the IAT's hold it back from being a good track car. If you enjoy the nimble feeling of a car with the speed to back it up the C63 is the car for you. In every aspect, I consider the C63 a better overall car than an E55.

-Reliability
-Track capable
-Newer technology
-Better transmission

Too bad it is illegal where you are the M156 loves nitrous.

I added a small shot of nitrous and now its a complete monster...
550whp with 75 shot over 500wtq.

With only a 75hp shot I was able to keep up with a stage 2 weistec by a 1/2 car in a half mile roll. I felt like bumping it up to 150, but I never pulled the trigger since I have been saving for the W205.

Bigtickets

I've had both and I prefer the c. Much better track car.