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All these guys chiming in about how cheap it would be to put together a turbo kit. You dolts, we can all do math and know what the total on parts is. The EXPENSIVE part is finding/making the room, custom plumbing, and tuning.
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Did I not ****ing call this? From the "flat crank" thread on 11/11... 
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Your answer: No room, or, too expensive. Not to mention someone stuck a 5.5TT into a BS and it turned out to be slower than a weistec s/c application and cost way, way, way more money to pull off. Other TT applications you'll find are off e55/cls55's that come s/c'd from factory. Some crazy **** is running around with a TT setup but those turbos are practically under the car if my memory serves me correctly.
God damnit though, I am almost happy this thread came up. Now I can convince myself to buy a lotto ticket or something
:cheer s:Your answer: No room, or, too expensive. Not to mention someone stuck a 5.5TT into a BS and it turned out to be slower than a weistec s/c application and cost way, way, way more money to pull off. Other TT applications you'll find are off e55/cls55's that come s/c'd from factory. Some crazy **** is running around with a TT setup but those turbos are practically under the car if my memory serves me correctly.
God damnit though, I am almost happy this thread came up. Now I can convince myself to buy a lotto ticket or something
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Gallardo is a 5.0 or a 5.2, close, but not quite.
Ford GT is a 5.4L Supercharged Motor from factory.
Vipers are a different story.
However, these cars do not run a conventional turbo setup, like a factory turbo car does. If I recall correctly, they run theirs way down the exhaust. It's essentially a "rear mounted" turbo setup, but it works because they are mid or rear engined. Most factory cars have it coming off the block. Or, smaller motor cars also do that, like an FRS or a Honda.
BMW I6 Turbos also have theirs coming off the block, where their Exhaust Housing (Header) and turbo are one piece, whereas the UGR Kits, for those bigger motors have them coming shortly before the exhaust exits. Different designs for different spaces and vehicles.
Similarly to how a Porsche Cayman 987.1/2 is Boosted.
Simple fact is there isn't enough room, and it would be a lot more headache to get it to work.
Ford GT is a 5.4L Supercharged Motor from factory.
Vipers are a different story.
However, these cars do not run a conventional turbo setup, like a factory turbo car does. If I recall correctly, they run theirs way down the exhaust. It's essentially a "rear mounted" turbo setup, but it works because they are mid or rear engined. Most factory cars have it coming off the block. Or, smaller motor cars also do that, like an FRS or a Honda.
BMW I6 Turbos also have theirs coming off the block, where their Exhaust Housing (Header) and turbo are one piece, whereas the UGR Kits, for those bigger motors have them coming shortly before the exhaust exits. Different designs for different spaces and vehicles.
Similarly to how a Porsche Cayman 987.1/2 is Boosted.
Simple fact is there isn't enough room, and it would be a lot more headache to get it to work.
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Your gasket is leaking. Take a cold shower and call us in the morning. The flat crank idea I guessed at 30,000.00. In reality about 18,000.00, if you do the wrenching yourself. If I was younger, or just in shape I would go with the idea. We didn't pay someone to deliver us a built car. We did it. As far as fitment it would be the same size, except perhaps for intake manifolding, and different tuning for headers such as try design. Biggest problem I would have is injectors and control unit. You young kids are just lazy.
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Nobody said the PARTS are expensive. There's only so much that the Turbo, Piping, and other parts can cost. We all know that.
The problem that you cannot get around, is the room required, and the expertise.
People need to be paid for their time. Parts need to be prototyped, setups need to be tested. Dyno and tuning takes time and money. The majority isn't even in the fabrication, it's in the damn time it takes to even come up with a plan of attack and how to achieve that.
Then you run into the problem that you cannot resolve, which is there isn't enough room.
I'm not saying the 6.2 cannot be turboed. If there was no size constraint yes, it definitely could. There just isn't enough room.
The 5.5L E63 and the 6.0L TT work because they were designed that way to begin with from factory. The car was designed with that engine size in mind.
In addition, a Turbo is more efficient, nobody denies that. Just, the price to HP would be awful wth all the custom work and time required.
The 6.2 would actually be great for s turbo. You'd be able to run a large turbo for the higher end, and all if to spoil late since the 6.2 makes a hefty amount of torque already. Would make some great peak power, but alas, it won't be done in a W204.
You're better off trying to swap in the W205 4.0TT at that point.
The problem that you cannot get around, is the room required, and the expertise.
People need to be paid for their time. Parts need to be prototyped, setups need to be tested. Dyno and tuning takes time and money. The majority isn't even in the fabrication, it's in the damn time it takes to even come up with a plan of attack and how to achieve that.
Then you run into the problem that you cannot resolve, which is there isn't enough room.
I'm not saying the 6.2 cannot be turboed. If there was no size constraint yes, it definitely could. There just isn't enough room.
The 5.5L E63 and the 6.0L TT work because they were designed that way to begin with from factory. The car was designed with that engine size in mind.
In addition, a Turbo is more efficient, nobody denies that. Just, the price to HP would be awful wth all the custom work and time required.
The 6.2 would actually be great for s turbo. You'd be able to run a large turbo for the higher end, and all if to spoil late since the 6.2 makes a hefty amount of torque already. Would make some great peak power, but alas, it won't be done in a W204.
You're better off trying to swap in the W205 4.0TT at that point.
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So.... I've been researching this on and off for the past year....
Remote-mounted turbos
Tons of room in the rear of the car, these are somewhat popular in the Corvette crowd. They are only applicable on large-displacement engines, because when you mount them so far back you need a lot of exhaust volume to push those wheels to a point where they make sense. The way they are designed, it's an easy install, and the turbos are architected specifically for being in the rear.
Challenges:
- getting turbo sizing correct
- separate oil pump/source
- cooling (although the length of the pipe going back to the engine bay tends to be 'ok')
- turbo lag and 'disconnection' from the gas pedal
- exhaust cools off drastically, which is why you only do this with a big motor, but the size of the turbos have to be kept smallish
The plumbing is pretty intense, and no doubt it's not the most efficient setup you can have in terms of managing heat and cooling. BUT, for us, if you want to be different, it may be the way to go. It's not the highest HP setup you can have, but for a decent bump in power it may be interesting - 6 or 8lbs and you could have an extra 100hp. The lag might not be a bad thing with the torque our motors have, it would hit hard on the top-end. I know I'm looking into it. Kind-of.
Interesting articles for thought:
http://www.supermotors.net/articles/sts-a1-1.php
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/fo...o/27095/page1/
http://www.raptorllc.net/LT1.htm
http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...unt-turbo.html
http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...mount-e85.html
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/148...mounted-turbo/
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...-Turbo-Systems
Remote-mounted turbos
Tons of room in the rear of the car, these are somewhat popular in the Corvette crowd. They are only applicable on large-displacement engines, because when you mount them so far back you need a lot of exhaust volume to push those wheels to a point where they make sense. The way they are designed, it's an easy install, and the turbos are architected specifically for being in the rear.
Challenges:
- getting turbo sizing correct
- separate oil pump/source
- cooling (although the length of the pipe going back to the engine bay tends to be 'ok')
- turbo lag and 'disconnection' from the gas pedal
- exhaust cools off drastically, which is why you only do this with a big motor, but the size of the turbos have to be kept smallish
The plumbing is pretty intense, and no doubt it's not the most efficient setup you can have in terms of managing heat and cooling. BUT, for us, if you want to be different, it may be the way to go. It's not the highest HP setup you can have, but for a decent bump in power it may be interesting - 6 or 8lbs and you could have an extra 100hp. The lag might not be a bad thing with the torque our motors have, it would hit hard on the top-end. I know I'm looking into it. Kind-of.
Interesting articles for thought:
http://www.supermotors.net/articles/sts-a1-1.php
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/fo...o/27095/page1/
http://www.raptorllc.net/LT1.htm
http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/...unt-turbo.html
http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-ind...mount-e85.html
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/148...mounted-turbo/
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...-Turbo-Systems
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The rear mounts work similar to a centri supercharger in my opinion. I had a rear mounted z06 that did have a ton of lag but was safer on the stock engine. Don't the sl65 have the Turbos right before the primary cats?
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Huh? I'm not getting your comparison to a centri supercharger at all.
And yeah, that's where most turbos are usually placed. Don't get that point either.
And yeah, that's where most turbos are usually placed. Don't get that point either.
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that would be the best solution if you had to have something like this. Ultimately i think you already nailed the flaws in this setup already. Turbos utilize hot gas energy... not so hot after 10ft of piping - hence the lag. Most of those kits dont need intercoolers either since the 10ft of piping to the intake allows for cooling. id say go with something like 2 baby 20g to gt30 sized turbos. or modified versions like forced performance sells such as the fp green or red, maybe blacks if you were feeling real crazy.
Even though i dont particularly like the idea. I'd still love to see someone do this.
Even though i dont particularly like the idea. I'd still love to see someone do this.
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Could even mount them where the primary cats go. Much less pipe to deal with then, easy access to oil too. There's almost enough room there, although I'd hate to hit them on a big speed bump or something.
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Nice!
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Looks like they were thinking the same thing - mount them where the primary cats are/were. No need for manifolds, hot fast exhaust right there, easy plumbing.
I actually think I'm going to give this a serious look over the winter
I actually think I'm going to give this a serious look over the winter
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There is nowhere near as much room on a C63...
Even if you could fit turbos there, finding a path for the intake and charge air pipes is almost impossible.
Even if you could fit turbos there, finding a path for the intake and charge air pipes is almost impossible.
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None for now
If it helps, a Mercedes technician in Illinois made his own custom rear mount single turbo setup for an M113 CLK500. Gains of 160+ WHP on 5-6 PSI.
Rear mount turbos are the only way to go if you actually want to do it on a C63. But just save the time and hassle and get a Weistec SC or even the new Magnuson SC.
Rear mount turbos are the only way to go if you actually want to do it on a C63. But just save the time and hassle and get a Weistec SC or even the new Magnuson SC.
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I hope you find a good answer on the turbo setup.
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You and me both, sister.
And what is even worse is the solution is just STARING at people in the face who want turbo's so bad. It's called a w205 c63, and yes, it has turbo's.
"But I don't like the touch pad screen" ... Said no-one ever under full boost in the w205.
"Man, I really wish I never bought this car because of the column shifter" ... Said no-one ever under full boost in the w205.
"This styling sucks, it's too soft, and the w204 looks so much better" ... Said the guy admiring the w204 in the rear view mirror of his w205 under full boost.
"So glad I invested $50k of aftermarket parts into my w204 just to keep up with a tuned w205" said, you guessed it, no-one ever.
f***ing sigh.
And what is even worse is the solution is just STARING at people in the face who want turbo's so bad. It's called a w205 c63, and yes, it has turbo's.
"But I don't like the touch pad screen" ... Said no-one ever under full boost in the w205.
"Man, I really wish I never bought this car because of the column shifter" ... Said no-one ever under full boost in the w205.
"This styling sucks, it's too soft, and the w204 looks so much better" ... Said the guy admiring the w204 in the rear view mirror of his w205 under full boost.
"So glad I invested $50k of aftermarket parts into my w204 just to keep up with a tuned w205" said, you guessed it, no-one ever.
f***ing sigh.
