Say 'NO' to EPA's threat to motorsports
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Say 'NO' to EPA's threat to motorsports
EPA Proposal to Prohibit Conversion of Vehicles Into Racecars
This looks like it could be a death sentence, not only to the amateur racer community, but also to manufacturers who make after-market performance products. Congress doesn't vote on things like this - it's coming from the regulatory side - and EPA plans to finalize it by July.
https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2016...utmk=228407125
Let your rep & senator know what you think of this.
This looks like it could be a death sentence, not only to the amateur racer community, but also to manufacturers who make after-market performance products. Congress doesn't vote on things like this - it's coming from the regulatory side - and EPA plans to finalize it by July.
https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2016...utmk=228407125
Let your rep & senator know what you think of this.
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EPA Proposal to Prohibit Conversion of Vehicles Into Racecars
This looks like it could be a death sentence, not only to the amateur racer community, but also to manufacturers who make after-market performance products. Congress doesn't vote on things like this - it's coming from the regulatory side - and EPA plans to finalize it by July.
https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2016...utmk=228407125
Let your rep & senator know what you think of this.
This looks like it could be a death sentence, not only to the amateur racer community, but also to manufacturers who make after-market performance products. Congress doesn't vote on things like this - it's coming from the regulatory side - and EPA plans to finalize it by July.
https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2016...utmk=228407125
Let your rep & senator know what you think of this.
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Well I suppose it was only a matter of time until the EPA decided to over-reach in the automotive area as well. Since the administration can't get their climate change agenda through Congress, they've opted to do everything via regulatory administrative law.Their excuse of the EPA saying according to their new interpretation of the 1970's Clean Air Act suddenly gives them the authority to essentially not only make it illegal to do most performance modifications to your own car, but also puts the whole automotive after market / performance tuning industry on notice that their days are numbered, would be laughable if this didn't have such a good chance of being enacted after the public comment period.
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Guys, just to be clear: The EPA cannot issue regulations. They are also not overreaching - they are developing proposals to reduce the environmental impact of all sorts of things - that is their job. That is why they exist and why we pay for having them.
If anybody disagrees with their proposal (as I do in this case), the right way to deal with it is to try to influence the government not to issue a law that uses the EPA proposal as a base. And that can be done through letters to our representatives as well as to congress, etc.
Sending anything to the EPA is a waste of time. That is not how it works.
If anybody disagrees with their proposal (as I do in this case), the right way to deal with it is to try to influence the government not to issue a law that uses the EPA proposal as a base. And that can be done through letters to our representatives as well as to congress, etc.
Sending anything to the EPA is a waste of time. That is not how it works.
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The threat of going after manufacturers makes this scary. Without that provision, this would rarely be enforced. Tampering with emissions controls systems has been illegal for years, but it has stopped few from doing so.
Preventing the sale of the devices would kill things - even for us Canadians who don't even fall within the EPA's jurisdiction.
This will have virtually no impact on pollutant levels as this applies to such a tiny segment of the population.
Preventing the sale of the devices would kill things - even for us Canadians who don't even fall within the EPA's jurisdiction.
This will have virtually no impact on pollutant levels as this applies to such a tiny segment of the population.
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23% for ALL of transportation so preventing race cars from being created sounds like a worth wile solution. It will kill millions of jobs BUT cut pollution by 0.002%.
Sounds like a WIN
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What does that chart show? % of what?
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Yes, maybe Millions of Tons, maybe CO2, and maybe it is the US - it does not say.
Regarding 'killing millions of jobs'. According to the US Department of Labor/Bureau of Labor Statistics, the entire US automotive industry had 921,000 employees in manufacturing, 1.98 million employees in parts retail and 1.27 million employees in automobile retailing in January 2016. In total about 4 million. Of those a small fraction only is associated with modding and racing. So the number of jobs affected by any prohibition to convert road vehicles to race cars, will be in the 10s of thousands.
The quality of public debate I already bad enough. Let's not add to that....
Regarding 'killing millions of jobs'. According to the US Department of Labor/Bureau of Labor Statistics, the entire US automotive industry had 921,000 employees in manufacturing, 1.98 million employees in parts retail and 1.27 million employees in automobile retailing in January 2016. In total about 4 million. Of those a small fraction only is associated with modding and racing. So the number of jobs affected by any prohibition to convert road vehicles to race cars, will be in the 10s of thousands.
The quality of public debate I already bad enough. Let's not add to that....
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https://www.ec.gc.ca/ges-ghg/
http://www.greenfacts.org/glossary/mno/mass-units.htm
1 megatonne (Mt) =1 000 000 000 000 g
GHG = Green House Gasses = Carbon dioxide equivalent (CO2 eq)
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Regarding 'killing millions of jobs'. According to the US Department of Labor/Bureau of Labor Statistics, the entire US automotive industry had 921,000 employees in manufacturing, 1.98 million employees in parts retail and 1.27 million employees in automobile retailing in January 2016. In total about 4 million. Of those a small fraction only is associated with modding and racing. So the number of jobs affected by any prohibition to convert road vehicles to race cars, will be in the 10s of thousands.
Fair play, it is only limited to converting normal cars into race cars. Let's assume that means full blown non road legal race cars. In those figures you quoted, how many "support" workers does it affect? Race track officials, owners, promotors, the list goes on.
All to help the environment so little that the potentially positive impact could be disregarded as margin of error.
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Jasonoff, thanks for clarifying this was about Canada and GHG (as opposed to CO2 and US)! :-)
Please do not assume that infusing facts into a debate is the same as stating a preference.
I did, by the way, not say I agreed with the proposed regulation. On the contrary, I actually said I was against it. However, I prefer not to spread misinformation, like millions of jobs are affected. Or the change in emissions will be 0.002%. The former does not pass a plausibility check and the latter seems to be speculation. Some here may take both as facts and then repeat those numbers as if they were facts.
But - there are way more effective ways to get a bigger positive impact on the environment. I assume we all agree there....
Please do not assume that infusing facts into a debate is the same as stating a preference.
I did, by the way, not say I agreed with the proposed regulation. On the contrary, I actually said I was against it. However, I prefer not to spread misinformation, like millions of jobs are affected. Or the change in emissions will be 0.002%. The former does not pass a plausibility check and the latter seems to be speculation. Some here may take both as facts and then repeat those numbers as if they were facts.
But - there are way more effective ways to get a bigger positive impact on the environment. I assume we all agree there....
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If this is for Canada, let it happen, Honestly Canada isn't even a country, it's a corporation ..a failing corporation that needs to die, so just let it die..don't waste your energy fighting for it because Canadians and Canada is a write off on the books.
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Jasonoff, thanks for clarifying this was about Canada and GHG (as opposed to CO2 and US)! :-)
Please do not assume that infusing facts into a debate is the same as stating a preference.
I did, by the way, not say I agreed with the proposed regulation. On the contrary, I actually said I was against it. However, I prefer not to spread misinformation, like millions of jobs are affected. Or the change in emissions will be 0.002%. The former does not pass a plausibility check and the latter seems to be speculation. Some here may take both as facts and then repeat those numbers as if they were facts.
But - there are way more effective ways to get a bigger positive impact on the environment. I assume we all agree there....
Please do not assume that infusing facts into a debate is the same as stating a preference.
I did, by the way, not say I agreed with the proposed regulation. On the contrary, I actually said I was against it. However, I prefer not to spread misinformation, like millions of jobs are affected. Or the change in emissions will be 0.002%. The former does not pass a plausibility check and the latter seems to be speculation. Some here may take both as facts and then repeat those numbers as if they were facts.
But - there are way more effective ways to get a bigger positive impact on the environment. I assume we all agree there....
I think we agree it will do more harm than good.Considering I just live in the cooperation of Canada waiting for it to die so I can claim the write off on my taxes I've obviously just wasted everyones time here...
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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that some people don't think they need a drivers license to drive a motor vehicle.......aside from conducting.....commerce...
this EPA thing blows my mind..........are they fascists?
this EPA thing blows my mind..........are they fascists?
