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JKav 04-12-2016 05:12 PM

Manual transmission (GM Tremec Magnum) adapter plate
 
Hey guys. Does anyone want/need a bellhousing adapter plate that will mate an M156 to a Tremec Magnum (TR6060) 6-speed manual gearbox? GM bolt pattern.

I'm commissioning one to be made for personal use, and it's no more work to have additional ones made at the same time. The adapter plate will be very similar to the one below, except with two additional holes at the bottom for the Magnum bellhousing. It's a CNC'd part that's a bit less than an inch thick, and it suits the front-sump M156 (not the rear sump one though).

It won't be cheap. But the price will depend on how many adapter plates are made (more is better). There's no money in this for me, just figured I'd offer it out to the community for anyone that wants to do a manual conversion.

PM me if you're interested.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mbw...9ec1af8337.jpg

chrisridebike8 04-12-2016 05:20 PM

What would be needed go swap in this manual?! Driveshaft, pedal box, master and slave cylinders and whatnot? How would the ecu react? I'd be interested, but I've never done an auto to manual swap without someone having done one before to layout the costs involved.

Southways 04-13-2016 03:16 AM

I have been thinking of doing the same - I need to find a use for my spare engine.
Do you have an indicative price?
Is the same company going to make you the flywheel with a dual-plate clutch offset?

Merc63 04-13-2016 10:47 AM

Ecu is married to the tcu in tranny. Mechanically, it wouldn't be too hard, but programming wise, dunno if it's possible without a miracle worker for a tuner.

ritalin 04-13-2016 10:59 AM

There is a guy using a holinger mated to an m156 as a time attack car. I believe he is running motec for control.

AMG3.2 04-13-2016 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by chrisridebike8 (Post 6769646)
What would be needed go swap in this manual?! Driveshaft, pedal box, master and slave cylinders and whatnot? How would the ecu react? I'd be interested, but I've never done an auto to manual swap without someone having done one before to layout the costs involved.

Down to learn more about this! Programming/management in particular.

JKav 04-13-2016 11:45 AM

For sure this adapter is just one piece of the manual conversion puzzle, but as anyone whose does this kind of stuff knows, it is arguably the most crucial and difficult one. I'll be swapping it into a early Benz, with a standalone, etc. I'll be doing my own flywheel since that's way easier than the adapter plate.

There probably won't be another run of these adapter plates (and none will be put on the shelf) so if you want one, PM me soon.

JKav 04-13-2016 12:29 PM

Also, somebody should verify this, but I think the M156 bellhousing bolt pattern is the same as M112/M113.

So this same adapter would work for the guys wanting to do the 55 swap!

IBowlC63AMG 04-13-2016 12:55 PM

now this is a cool thread!! ill be watching............

mthis 04-13-2016 01:24 PM

MT c63. Subbbbbbbed.

mr747 04-13-2016 08:31 PM

mmmmmm holinger

kimeran 04-14-2016 04:47 AM

I was just thinking about this last night... I so wish I could do this

adaptec 04-14-2016 10:41 AM

I'm looking to get an adapter plate to fit a BMW 6-speed E92 335i transmission to a C63 AMG M156 engine. Putting this in a '54 Ford F100 so the electronic for me is not an issue.

AMG3.2 04-14-2016 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by adaptec (Post 6771553)
I'm looking to get an adapter plate to fit a BMW 6-speed E92 335i transmission to a C63 AMG M156 engine. Putting this in a '54 Ford F100 so the electronic for me is not an issue.

Is this the same getrag in the E46 M3? If so, why? It's so notchy, plus repairing it damn near impossible as only a few know how to open up one of those getrags.

adaptec 04-14-2016 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by AMG3.2 (Post 6771592)
Is this the same getrag in the E46 M3? If so, why? It's so notchy, plus repairing it damn near impossible as only a few know how to open up one of those getrags.

I think this is a revised trans. It's the same as E9x M3 just without internal oil pump and external cooling.

Because the T-56 is too expensive and the TKO-600 simply isn't strong enoufg and can't shift properly above 6000rpm.

The BMW 5-speed is extremely popular to use in Scandinavia in muscle and drift cars. The transmission run at 5-700usd used, they shift perfectly at 9000rpm and they handle 1000ft/lbs of torque all day long. You don't do that with a Tremec that cost 3000usd plus shipping, plus tax etc. The TKOs barely handle the 600ft/lbs they're rated at.

talkinghamster 04-14-2016 02:05 PM

6 speed C63?

JKav 04-18-2016 01:43 AM

The adapter is confirmed to fit M156 and M112/M113 engines, and it appears that M272/M273, M278/M157 also share this same bellhousing bolt pattern too. Along with the modern V12s, it seems.

I'm getting close to a point where I'll need to know how many adapters to make. PM me now if you're interested.

callmiro 04-18-2016 09:17 AM

This is a good swap if you're taking the M156 and putting it into something older with a stand alone.

I wouldn't try this to do a manual conversion in a C63...big headache and compatability issues, let alone the driveshaft/pedals/throwout bearing/flexplate/clutch/crossmember.

Not sure what you would gain either

ENVē 04-18-2016 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by callmiro (Post 6775224)
This is a good swap if you're taking the M156 and putting it into something older with a stand alone.

I wouldn't try this to do a manual conversion in a C63...big headache and compatability issues, let alone the driveshaft/pedals/throwout bearing/flexplate/clutch/crossmember.

Not sure what you would gain either



You would gain C63 in a manual award which is incredible. But for the money Ill keep looking for a GT350.

avery.whss 04-18-2016 01:08 PM

why would anyone want a manual these days? Lol...are people still wrapped up on "herp derp you arent a real man until you drive a stick!" ...driving a stick is probably one of the gayest things you can drive with it's like driving with a dildo in your hand that comes up from the center of the car. Paddles all day if the transmission is right and no, none of you can shift faster then a computer,

ENVē 04-18-2016 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by avery.whss (Post 6775486)
why would anyone want a manual these days? Lol...are people still wrapped up on "herp derp you arent a real man until you drive a stick!" ...driving a stick is probably one of the gayest things you can drive with it's like driving with a dildo in your hand that comes up from the center of the car. Paddles all day if the transmission is right and no, none of you can shift faster then a computer,



So here is where my manual argument lies. It is not about shifting faster than a computer etc. I only love manuals because of the fun factor and more control factor in my opinion. I mean, look man, we know manuals are the way of the past but they are fun as hell, more engaging, and at the end of the day I have passed guys at HPDE days in manual cars that were driving PDK cars, GTRs, Ferraris etc. I know that 99% of the time the dual clutch trans are better at shifting and faster but they are not as "engaging" thats all. I dont think only real men drive manual but I think real men can appreciate the fun factor.


IMO the way it goes for fun factor in cars is


Manual>True Sequential>Dual clutch>Tq converter auto>CVT

avery.whss 04-18-2016 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by ENVē (Post 6775497)
So here is where my manual argument lies. It is not about shifting faster than a computer etc. I only love manuals because of the fun factor and more control factor in my opinion. I mean, look man, we know manuals are the way of the past but they are fun as hell, more engaging, and at the end of the day I have passed guys at HPDE days in manual cars that were driving PDK cars, GTRs, Ferraris etc. I know that 99% of the time the dual clutch trans are better at shifting and faster but they are not as "engaging" thats all. I dont think only real men drive manual but I think real men can appreciate the fun factor.


IMO the way it goes for fun factor in cars is


Manual>True Sequential>Dual clutch>Tq converter auto>CVT

true, i agree the engaging part is a lot more fun. It's just the daily driving in traffic that sucks about a manual especially in a big city

ENVē 04-18-2016 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by avery.whss (Post 6775507)
true, i agree the engaging part is a lot more fun. It's just the daily driving in traffic that sucks about a manual especially in a big city

I do agree on the fact that a manual in traffic can be annoying. I have only had one true automatic car so far and got rid of that within 8 months. Then I had a 2008 M5 with SMG which was fun on highway but also annoying in traffic and now my C63 which is also fun on highway and better in traffic but only in C mode.


I think I just enjoy manual haha. But I do like my MCT speedshift trans in the C.

QWKSNKE 04-19-2016 09:56 PM


Originally Posted by ENVē (Post 6775497)
So here is where my manual argument lies. It is not about shifting faster than a computer etc. I only love manuals because of the fun factor and more control factor in my opinion. I mean, look man, we know manuals are the way of the past but they are fun as hell, more engaging, and at the end of the day I have passed guys at HPDE days in manual cars that were driving PDK cars, GTRs, Ferraris etc. I know that 99% of the time the dual clutch trans are better at shifting and faster but they are not as "engaging" thats all. I dont think only real men drive manual but I think real men can appreciate the fun factor.


IMO the way it goes for fun factor in cars is


Manual>True Sequential>Dual clutch>Tq converter auto>CVT

Absolutely!! MT cars are always more fun to drive than autos!

kimeran 04-22-2016 08:25 AM

Manual all day, every day, if I had a choice!
Not because of the man factor, but because of the fun factor. Which means a lot more to me than "my transmission can shift faster than you in a manual"


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