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These are the results from a back to back dyno test with the only change being the spacer/filter setup. Those are facts, not open to interpretation.
How do we not know it's the filter change from a dirty one to a clean one with more flow that didn't make your gains?
Based on that alone, that indeed opens it up to discussion.
That dyno run is not an even swap. You changed the filter. And yes a dirty filter will inhibit airflow.
Did you do a dyno run with the new filter for both? These are legit questions here. I am not being a jerk or anything, just trying to get some answers here.
there is only one way to manipulate the dynojet that has weather station.... you can sit there with a hair dryer/ heat gun and make the weather station read like its 150f in the dyno room to get a awesome correction factor, but its going to be obvious once the temps are posted on the graph
in this situation you can see the temps were posted on the graph and they dont jive with the one sneaky way to manipulate dynojets with weather stations
How do we not know it's the filter change from a dirty one to a clean one with more flow that didn't make your gains?
Originally Posted by Mazspeed
Based on that alone, that indeed opens it up to discussion.
That dyno run is not an even swap. You changed the filter. And yes a dirty filter will inhibit airflow.
Did you do a dyno run with the new filter for both? These are legit questions here. I am not being a jerk or anything, just trying to get some answers here.
lol you were just talking about big brains and now you are thinking a dirty filter can cause 20 whp difference?
ok so using your logic, if a dirty filter can pick up 20whp, then surely raising a piece of the filter that obstructions about 20% of the airflow coming into the airbox can do the same (plus a higher flowing filter which we already know is worth about 7 whp of the 20 gain)
there is only one way to manipulate the dynojet that has weather station.... you can sit there with a hair dryer/ heat gun and make the weather station read like its 150f in the dyno room to get a awesome correction factor, but its going to be obvious once the temps are posted on the graph
in this situation you can see the temps were posted on the graph and they dont jive with the one sneaky way to manipulate dynojets with weather stations
Ahhhh, yes you can. I gave you links. Read them please!
this blockage...... also what do you think would happen if you filled in the rest of the non-blocked space with more blockage? how about you stuff that inlet hole full of play-doh (since people on this forum seem to be fond od it) and go do a few dyno runs and see if obstruction in airflow make a difference or not
lol you were just talking about big brains and now you are thinking a dirty filter can cause 20 whp difference?
ok so using your logic, if a dirty filter can pick up 20whp, then surely raising a piece of the filter that obstructions about 20% of the airflow coming into the airbox can do the same (plus a higher flowing filter which we already know is worth about 7 whp of the 20 gain)
A clogged filter can inhibit airflow.
A spacer to create more air doesn't equate. What obstruction are you speaking of?
You do understand that Weistec and others use this same setup on stage 2 and stage 3 systems with over 700hp. Why don't they use a spacer?
Why didn't Mercedes figure this out?
Why don't AMG's race teams use a spacer.
Simple answer here Einstein. BECAUSE IT DON'T WORK YO!
this blockage...... also what do you think would happen if you filled in the rest of the non-blocked space with more blockage? how about you stuff that inlet hole full of play-doh (since people on this forum seem to be fond od it) and go do a few dyno runs and see if obstruction in airflow make a difference or not
Looks like a big hole to me. Like the one in your head.
this blockage...... also what do you think would happen if you filled in the rest of the non-blocked space with more blockage? how about you stuff that inlet hole full of play-doh (since people on this forum seem to be fond od it) and go do a few dyno runs and see if obstruction in airflow make a difference or not
By the way, the spacer doesn't get rid of the hole.
Ahhhh, yes you can. I gave you links. Read them please!
i guess you dont know differences of superflow vs dynojet? first link you sent is superflow... yes they can have the load manipulated... moot point as we are talking about a dynojet graph (dynojet is an inertia based dyno)
you're second link does not include manipulation of dynojet (because you cant).. it has dyno dynamics, dynapak and mustang dyno in its analysis... hmmm all load bering dynos... go figure
and your 3rd link with dynoing in a different gear is easy to disprove as the dyno graph x axis would be converted to mph to hide the rpm's as when you dyno in a gear thats not close to 1:1 then your max hp will show up in a unsual rpm range as it would be spinning the drum much faster.... obviously this wasnt done because you can clearly see the rpm's in the graph and they are where they should be
there is no way to manipulate dynojet graph unless they leave out temp (which they didnt) or unless they leave out rpm (which they didnt)
i guess you dont know differences of superflow vs dynojet? first link you sent is superflow... yes they can have the load manipulated... moot point as we are talking about a dynojet graph (dynojet is an inertia based dyno)
you're second link does not include manipulation of dynojet (because you cant).. it has dyno dynamics, dynapak and mustang dyno in its analysis... hmmm all load bering dynos... go figure
and your 3rd link with dynoing in a different gear is easy to disprove as the dyno graph x axis would be converted to mph to hide the rpm's as when you dyno in a gear thats not close to 1:1 then your max hp will show up in a unsual rpm range as it would be spinning the drum much faster.... obviously this wasnt done because you can clearly see the rpm's in the graph and they are where they should be
there is no way to manipulate dynojet graph unless they leave out temp (which they didnt) or unless they leave out rpm (which they didnt)
mythbuster!
I'll go into this later when I get back. I'm on the road right now but answer me this question do you sell this product?
I'll go into this later when I get back. I'm on the road right now but answer me this question do you sell this product?
nope, i have no loyality to them... I have run eurocharge tune, BIP tune, Weistec s/c kit, renntech tune, speedriven downpipes, etc.... so i'm pretty fair and unbaised in across the turner board
i did buy their spacer/filter kit for my M157 since it was pretty cheap compared to the AMS intake for $4,000 that nets 30 whp or the renntech intake that yeilds 10-15 whp for $5000
A clogged filter can inhibit airflow.
A spacer to create more air doesn't equate. What obstruction are you speaking of?
You do understand that Weistec and others use this same setup on stage 2 and stage 3 systems with over 700hp. Why don't they use a spacer?
Why didn't Mercedes figure this out?
Why don't AMG's race teams use a spacer.
Simple answer here Einstein. BECAUSE IT DON'T WORK YO!
umm i had a weistec s/c and yes they do recommend their low profile filters and ROW airboxs over the stock boxes we get in usa.... why? more air flow einstein
mercedes wasnt shooting for more HP on their C63 than their E63 or S63... same reason they detuned the C63 even though it has same engine as the other 2 more expensive M156 cars... why would they worry about making the airbox better when they were already making the power they wanted to make lol.... i mean while we're at it, why didnt mercedes figure out that a weistec s/c with nitrous would give it more power? because they want c63 to be just below its ~500 hp bigger brother.... hmmm marketing
and race teams? lol really? ok well they dont even use the 6.3L engine in the c63 amg DTM car since DTM regulates 4.0L is the max, so the airbox they use isnt even the same nor are the filters... they are meant for a few hours of driving and then trashed... here's the AMG dtm c-class air intake... hmm doesnt look same as the one our your car... i wonder why? maybe because they need less obstruction to incoming air on a race car
and how many times are you going to ask "what obstruction" when they photo has been posted like 5 times now.... the portion of the filter hanging down in the inlet will have rushing air coming in an hitting it and causing turbulance and restriction..... all the spacer does is move that out of the way and allow air to flow in less distrupted.... since you seem to be down with the "clogging" of air filters concept, then lets call this the "partial clogging" of the intake inlet ... think of it as if that big hole was your colon and the white part of the filter protuding into the hole is a tumor... dont you think it would mess up how easily your doo doo comes out your colon?
Doesn't air flow through that portion of the filter?
the air is meant to come in and flow up in between the air filter gills/slits, it will flow fairly easy in that manner.... the filters are not meant for air to flow through them sideways (they way it would have to though the part hanging down)..... easy test is take your airfilter out and blow on that portion and feel the resistance, then blow air thru them the way its supposed to flow and notice how much easier it is
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
Just stop this nonsense. Not supposed to go perpendicular to the grills/slats blah blah blah total complete inanne rubbish-speak.
Have you LOOKED at an air filter lately? The filter element allows air through no matter what direction. It's made that way (corrugated) to increase surface area. That's it.
I'm out of this stupid thread. You guys are retards.
Just stop this nonsense. Not supposed to go perpendicular to the grills/slats blah blah blah total complete inanne rubbish-speak.
Have you LOOKED at an air filter lately? The filter element allows air through no matter what direction. It's made that way (corrugated) to increase surface area. That's it.
I'm out of this stupid thread. You guys are retards.
bullets are meant to flow through cardboard too, but it will flow through 1 piece of cardboard better than 100 pieces
when air particle is going up thru the filter it hits only one small piece of filter.... when it goes in the side of the filter it would be going thru mulitple pieces of material
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
Originally Posted by gaspam
yeah radiators too lmao oh wait, no.
Yeah radiators and intercoolers are made of METAL genius. In between the slats are METAL barriers. Comeon man, you're just fcking with us now.
Originally Posted by gaspam
when air particle is going up thru the filter it hits only one small piece of filter.... when it goes in the side of the filter it would be going thru mulitple pieces of material
Air particles? Just stop. You sound like an idiot. Air will go through the filter just fine anywhere except the rubber surround.
Yeah radiators and intercoolers are made of METAL genius. In between the slats are METAL barriers. Comeon man, you're just fcking with us now.
Air particles? Just stop. You sound like an idiot. Air will go through the filter just fine anywhere except the rubber surround.
actually you have already been proven to be the idiot and you still have a sneaker to eat
you do realize that on a radiator that air does not actually pass through any of the metal right? it just passes around it and moves on and in the process cools the metal and thus the inner fluid.... my radiator example was more to illustrate that its arranged like an air filter, in that it directs the air into the slats as opposed to directing air to bounce of the slats from the side
and you have no scientific understanding if you think air flow does not experience resistance as the medium its passing through becomes thicker
sounds like your pissed cuz you bought a $2000 carbonio intake that gives you same performance gains as this upd kit i mean come on , pot meet kettle
08-23-2016, 02:15 PM
... think of it as if that big hole was your colon and the white part of the filter protuding into the hole is a tumor... dont you think it would mess up how easily your doo doo comes out your colon? 
