Winter wheels. Need advice.
#26
I wish I was brave enough to drive my C63 in the snow. I have dreams of a winter C63 gymkhana. Reality would be a snowy C63 married to a ditch or a telephone pole. My ex-wife's Challenger 392 with Blizzaks was THE best snow car I have ever been in. Great fun, easy to control, and made it through 9 inches of snow.
#27
But for dry cold, I have to think a standard set up with wider wheels is better... no?
Most winters in NJ/NYC area are dry with a handful of snow days and those are plowed and salted quickly.
#28
Fog Surround Removal
I remember reading once that the fog surrounds on the pre-face lift cars, could pull straight out and were on spring clips.
Can someone verify/correct?
My previous owner painted them black, but I'm tired of the touch ups there and will try to plastidip those.
Thx
Can someone verify/correct?
My previous owner painted them black, but I'm tired of the touch ups there and will try to plastidip those.
Thx
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#30
An ET of 45 means there is 45 mm between these two points.
https://www.1010tires.com/Tools/Wheel-Offset-Calculator
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Ambystom01 - that's completely wrong. I'd be happy to discuss this in as much detail if you want, but unless you can factually substantiate your claims (which you can't - this has been debated ad nauseum and the physics are simply not on your side), please refrain from giving people bad advice.
#34
Ambystom01 - that's completely wrong. I'd be happy to discuss this in as much detail if you want, but unless you can factually substantiate your claims (which you can't - this has been debated ad nauseum and the physics are simply not on your side), please refrain from giving people bad advice.
Once you're through the snow and have tarmac on tire contact, a wider contact patch is advantageous. Physics is on my side.
#35
Nokian notes that a narrower tire negatively impacts handling and recommends sticking to the stock size:
https://www.nokiantires.com/innovation/facts-about-tires/faq/
Oh look, Continental Tire suggests running wider winter tires:
http://www.continental-tires.com/car/technology/wide-tires
But hey, I'm sure you know more than the companies that actually make the tires since you've done some amateur motorsports.
https://www.nokiantires.com/innovation/facts-about-tires/faq/
Oh look, Continental Tire suggests running wider winter tires:
http://www.continental-tires.com/car/technology/wide-tires
But hey, I'm sure you know more than the companies that actually make the tires since you've done some amateur motorsports.
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FWIW I run a 225 width. The car definitely handles slush and snow well with that width, but clearly gives up traction in the dry.
But I like a square setup so I can rotate the fronts to the back to help even the wear.
But with a 225 rear wide tire (winter compound) the car will lose traction in the dry quite easily.
Running stock width tires would mean half the life out of the rears, versus rotating them.
But I like a square setup so I can rotate the fronts to the back to help even the wear.
But with a 225 rear wide tire (winter compound) the car will lose traction in the dry quite easily.
Running stock width tires would mean half the life out of the rears, versus rotating them.
#37
Nokian notes that a narrower tire negatively impacts handling and recommends sticking to the stock size:
https://www.nokiantires.com/innovati...out-tires/faq/
https://www.nokiantires.com/innovati...out-tires/faq/
Originally Posted by Nokian
With a narrower tire, you would see slightly better winter performance, but you will sacrifice ride and handling abilities.
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Nokian notes that a narrower tire negatively impacts handling and recommends sticking to the stock size:
https://www.nokiantires.com/innovati...out-tires/faq/
Oh look, Continental Tire suggests running wider winter tires:
http://www.continental-tires.com/car...ogy/wide-tires
But hey, I'm sure you know more than the companies that actually make the tires since you've done some amateur motorsports.
https://www.nokiantires.com/innovati...out-tires/faq/
Oh look, Continental Tire suggests running wider winter tires:
http://www.continental-tires.com/car...ogy/wide-tires
But hey, I'm sure you know more than the companies that actually make the tires since you've done some amateur motorsports.
#39
Seeing as your only evidence is regurgitation of what you've read at two web sites (one of which does not support your point and the other simply amounts to marketing material) and the rest of your posts are merely personal attacks, I am bowing out. By all means use the widest tires you can get... and enjoy your winter drive, preferably on a narrow slippery road with a huge drop on one side. Please?
Exactly, what works best depends entirely on the specific conditions you want to address.
#40
Great oh wise one, you call up Continental and Nokian and tell them that you think they're wrong because you're an expert in this area. I note that you haven't substantiated your position at all. It's amusing that you want to take your ball and go home after being so condescending, as you appear to be in many threads.
Exactly, what works best depends entirely on the specific conditions you want to address.
Exactly, what works best depends entirely on the specific conditions you want to address.
#41
Nobody is denying that if you drive in thick snow, mud or slush, narrow tires make sense since they don't act like a snow plow, and will cut through the mess easier. However, like I've been saying since I first started posting in here, if you drive on plowed, compacted snow and clear but cold streets, stock width is fine. Nokian acknowledges as much. Continental even suggests going wider. But hey, lets ignore new information and just stick to the same dogma that has persisted since the 70s.
#42
I had 235 all around but went with a 255 for the rear for this season.
http://www.tirereview.com/breaking-winter-tires/
http://www.tirereview.com/breaking-winter-tires/
Originally Posted by tirereview
Generally, narrower tires are better in snow and on ice because they are more stable and get better linear traction by penetrating the snow. This is not always true though; on hard-pack snow, wider tires with more sipes are better. In deep snow, wider tires might be able to float over the top, but that’s a very specific situation. Narrower wheel widths are normally better because it rounds the profile of the tire and helps both penetration and floatation.
#43
odd... the drivers side comes out only on the outside edge... then won't budge. The passenger side... no budge at all.
#44
Er - sorry, but there is absolutely no benefit in going with a wider rear tire in the winter. At freezing temperatures, you won't get any additional traction even in the dry, let alone wet from a wider contact patch. With winter tires you get more grip by increasing the pressure per unit surface area on the tire contact patch, so you do want to run narrower tires than you do in the summer when (unlike in winter) the grip is generated by the hot tire "sticking" to the pavement.
Agree 100% that decent aftermarket rims are probably just as good for winter use. You're not exactly going to subject them to G forces that would put much strain on the rims, and, if you hit a pothole or smack a curb going sideways, the replicas are probably considerably cheaper to replace.
Agree 100% that decent aftermarket rims are probably just as good for winter use. You're not exactly going to subject them to G forces that would put much strain on the rims, and, if you hit a pothole or smack a curb going sideways, the replicas are probably considerably cheaper to replace.
In the gravel stages they also use thin tires...however take a look at what they use for the tarmac stages. Super wide, low profile tires.
I am sure that if a dry winter stage existed, they would use a wide soft compound winter tire...I don't know why we're arguing over nothing here.
#49
I just got a 18 x 8.5 / 18x9.5 with PA4s 235/255. In my opinion it's not worth it to drive on skinny tires 95% of the time in the winter when there's no deep snow.
Also, any wheels would do...I've been running replicas on my cars forever and I've never bent/broken anything even when hitting big potholes in Toronto.
Also, any wheels would do...I've been running replicas on my cars forever and I've never bent/broken anything even when hitting big potholes in Toronto.
#50
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Why not run a square setup so you can rotate front to rear and even the wear?
A staggered setup will let you have a bit more grip out back, but no chance to rotate. And in the cold, even with a 255 the grip sucks.
I got my set from Tire Rack.
A staggered setup will let you have a bit more grip out back, but no chance to rotate. And in the cold, even with a 255 the grip sucks.
I got my set from Tire Rack.
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