So... My... Friend got pulled over in Cali
12-15-2016, 04:07 PM
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Diabolis the laws are probably different. In the US cops can testify in court that in their experience it was determined that the exhaust was too loud, and therefore must either be modified or in need of repair. That's as good as x-ray vision and Robocop hearing here in the good old land of the free... 
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12-15-2016, 04:09 PM
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Diabolis the laws are probably different. In the US cops can testify in court that in their experience it was determined that the exhaust was too loud, and therefore must either be modified or in need of repair. That's as good as x-ray vision and Robocop hearing here in the good old land of the free...
12-15-2016, 04:15 PM
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Still if a cop in California gives you a ticket that requires you to appear in court it is still worth hiring an attorney. You'll have a better chance of getting them to drop the case instead of you trying to make your point in court. Still sounds odd he wrote you a ticket where all you can do is pay it instead of them verifying compliance. At least thats an error in your favor that no one has to look at it.
12-15-2016, 04:41 PM
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Diabolis the laws are probably different. In the US cops can testify in court that in their experience it was determined that the exhaust was too loud, and therefore must either be modified or in need of repair. That's as good as x-ray vision and Robocop hearing here in the good old land of the free...
And, for the record, I am strictly speaking from a legal perspective here... *NOT* a moral one. The legal defintion of guilt is VERY different from a moral one. The notions of right and wrong do not exist in a court of law. I am most certainly not suggesting that he lie or cheat... only that he has a constitutional right to question and refute the evidence against him, which in this case ought to be pretty easy if he knows what and how to ask.
12-15-2016, 04:44 PM
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Oh, they can (and do) testify to that here too. What you have to do as a defendant is demonstrate that their experience is not objective. That argument has exactly the same amount of (even legal) logic in it as "I farted and moments later there was a car crash twenty feet away, so therefore me farting makes nearby cars crash". The prosecution is using a police officer's OPINION as the only evidence agsint you, so you have to show that the officer's opinion ain't worth $h!t and it's an automatic dismissal. If they had a SPL meter and you could show that the meter's reading was $h!t, you'd also walk. The difference here is that it's hell of a lot easier to show that a person's (the cop's) opinion is incorrect - because it is subjective - than a SPL meter (or a radar gun), which is objective.
And, for the record, I am strictly speaking from a legal perspective here... *NOT* a moral one. The legal defintion of guilt is VERY different from a moral one. The notions of right and wrong do not exist in a court of law. I am most certainly not suggesting that he lie or cheat... only that he has a constitutional right to question and refute the evidence against him, which in this case ought to be pretty easy if he knows what and how to ask.
And, for the record, I am strictly speaking from a legal perspective here... *NOT* a moral one. The legal defintion of guilt is VERY different from a moral one. The notions of right and wrong do not exist in a court of law. I am most certainly not suggesting that he lie or cheat... only that he has a constitutional right to question and refute the evidence against him, which in this case ought to be pretty easy if he knows what and how to ask.
12-15-2016, 04:48 PM
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I don't know about you guys... but here in Ontario even a minor ticket will jack up your insurance rates, and furthermore if you ever get dinged with something a bit more serious, the prosecution has a record of every single infraction you have ever committed - been CONVICTED OF, that is, which is what paying the fine means - since you were given a licence. Just saying... save the guily plea for when you really need it to get out of a jam and try to keep your record as clean as possible!!!
12-15-2016, 04:57 PM
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12-21-2016, 01:18 PM
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And this friend happens to have his cats and res replaced with SS straight pipes. When he was passing a cop car the cop decided to roll his windows down and stay with my friend right at the exhaust level. Even though my friend made a valiant effort by putting the car into neutral the cop followed him long enough to where he was forced to accelerate. Now my friend has a fixit ticket for a modified exhaust.
Can anyone help m...I mean my friend out? Any way for him to fight the ticket?
For anyone curious he works in a beach city, so cops are dic... not pleasant about it.
Can anyone help m...I mean my friend out? Any way for him to fight the ticket?
For anyone curious he works in a beach city, so cops are dic... not pleasant about it.
Screw California and their Nazish eco-laws...
12-21-2016, 01:22 PM
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They could care less about the ecological ramifications of ****. It's just another topic to piggyback on in order to create more funds. I highly doubt that cop heard my exhaust and thought about to environmental problems it is causing. He saw it as just a way to **** with a young guy with a car he enjoys. Oh well, I love the weather and stuff to do here too much to leave lol.
Also, at least now the next person who has this issue will have this thread to refer back to in order to know the process and fees.
LMFAO jk they'll create a new thread and BLKROKT will harass him for it and someone else will link this thread. Then we'll talk about how everyone doesn't search. Then they'll get defensive lol
Also, at least now the next person who has this issue will have this thread to refer back to in order to know the process and fees.
LMFAO jk they'll create a new thread and BLKROKT will harass him for it and someone else will link this thread. Then we'll talk about how everyone doesn't search. Then they'll get defensive lol
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12-21-2016, 04:01 PM
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They could care less about the ecological ramifications of ****. It's just another topic to piggyback on in order to create more funds. I highly doubt that cop heard my exhaust and thought about to environmental problems it is causing. He saw it as just a way to **** with a young guy with a car he enjoys. Oh well, I love the weather and stuff to do here too much to leave lol.
Also, at least now the next person who has this issue will have this thread to refer back to in order to know the process and fees.
LMFAO jk they'll create a new thread and BLKROKT will harass him for it and someone else will link this thread. Then we'll talk about how everyone doesn't search. Then they'll get defensive lol
Also, at least now the next person who has this issue will have this thread to refer back to in order to know the process and fees.
LMFAO jk they'll create a new thread and BLKROKT will harass him for it and someone else will link this thread. Then we'll talk about how everyone doesn't search. Then they'll get defensive lol
I think we've had this conversation but none the less I offer Florida and a very nice alternative.. You have the same warm weather with none of the craziness ie.. loony liberals, smog laws, and best of all none of the taxes. If you want to run 3in straight pipe off 1 7/8 headers into 40 series flowmasters nobody is going to say a thing.. that's how I ran my 69 Camaro..
12-21-2016, 05:55 PM
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I didn't read the 4 pages, but did the cop actually issue you a ticket or just a Fix-It notice? If it's a ticket, go to court and fight - sometimes cops don't even show.
This reminded me of an interesting story with my old E39 M5. That car was loud. I had long tubes basically straight piped into aftermarket (loud, amplified) mufflers - the b*tch SCREAMED even with normal driving. Anyway, went to the airport to pick up my brother and one of those rent-a-cop dbags signaled for me to pull over. At first, I thought he was a cool cop. He came to my window, asked me to rev it a bit, told me it sounds good etc. He came back with a ticket. I told him this is how M5s sound and he laughed. Fast forward 4 months after two postponements by me, the guy never showed. Judge threw it out. No ticket/fix it notices after that and I owned the car another two years after that.
I never, ever drove any of my cars through the airport again, though - not taking the chance for another power trip cop.
How do fix it tickets work in Cali? Can you just mail in a fine and be done with it?
Anyway, probably didn't help you but felt I needed to tell that story
This reminded me of an interesting story with my old E39 M5. That car was loud. I had long tubes basically straight piped into aftermarket (loud, amplified) mufflers - the b*tch SCREAMED even with normal driving. Anyway, went to the airport to pick up my brother and one of those rent-a-cop dbags signaled for me to pull over. At first, I thought he was a cool cop. He came to my window, asked me to rev it a bit, told me it sounds good etc. He came back with a ticket. I told him this is how M5s sound and he laughed. Fast forward 4 months after two postponements by me, the guy never showed. Judge threw it out. No ticket/fix it notices after that and I owned the car another two years after that.
I never, ever drove any of my cars through the airport again, though - not taking the chance for another power trip cop.
How do fix it tickets work in Cali? Can you just mail in a fine and be done with it?
Anyway, probably didn't help you but felt I needed to tell that story
12-22-2016, 01:41 PM
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I think we've had this conversation but none the less I offer Florida and a very nice alternative.. You have the same warm weather with none of the craziness ie.. loony liberals, smog laws, and best of all none of the taxes. If you want to run 3in straight pipe off 1 7/8 headers into 40 series flowmasters nobody is going to say a thing.. that's how I ran my 69 Camaro..
Just pay it and be on your way. It's a fixit ticket.
