FlexFuel for Everyone! Eurocharged ATX E85 Kits NOW AVAILABLE :)
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Dont get me wrong, its a good thing. Vendors do need to realize the current owners paid $25k-$40k instead of $60k-$80k. With that in mind they won't simply bend over and take the AMG tax with a smile. Which is why there are new offerings with similar and in some cases better tech at a much more appealing price point.
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Still not understanding the "$500 bump"... Was $1,600 for kit w/ ported stock injectors (see post #1)... that was over a year ago when it first came out for "intro" pricing, and before we even had 5 kits installed on cars. Now, with about 150 kits sold - it's $1,980 shipped with BRAND NEW injectors. All controllers now have integrated bluetooth as well. Last time I checked, $1980 - $1600 is $380, not $500. 
It's $380 more, and comes with better injectors, and bluetooth. Any way you slice it, it's AT LEAST +30WHP, +30WTQ, for something you can install yourself in 2 hours or less, and all you gotta to is use E85! It saves you a little money on fuel (most of the time). HP/$ is very good, much better than longtubes that's for dang sure...
I have basically been giving the injectors away... go find me a better deal on these...good luck, and as of this morning, because of a very recent price increase @ Bosch for them, injectors now cost $775, just verified that this morning
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Dave
It's $380 more, and comes with better injectors, and bluetooth. Any way you slice it, it's AT LEAST +30WHP, +30WTQ, for something you can install yourself in 2 hours or less, and all you gotta to is use E85! It saves you a little money on fuel (most of the time). HP/$ is very good, much better than longtubes that's for dang sure...
I have basically been giving the injectors away... go find me a better deal on these...good luck, and as of this morning, because of a very recent price increase @ Bosch for them, injectors now cost $775, just verified that this morning
Thanks
Dave
Still not understanding the "$500 bump"... Was $1,600 for kit w/ ported stock injectors (see post #1)... that was over a year ago when it first came out for "intro" pricing, and before we even had 5 kits installed on cars. Now, with about 150 kits sold - it's $1,980 shipped with BRAND NEW injectors. All controllers now have integrated bluetooth as well. Last time I checked, $1980 - $1600 is $380, not $500.
It's $380 more, and comes with better injectors, and bluetooth. Any way you slice it, it's AT LEAST +30WHP, +30WTQ, for something you can install yourself in 2 hours or less, and all you gotta to is use E85! It saves you a little money on fuel (most of the time). HP/$ is very good, much better than longtubes that's for dang sure...
I have basically been giving the injectors away... go find me a better deal on these...good luck, and as of this morning, because of a very recent price increase @ Bosch for them, injectors now cost $775, just verified that this morning
Thanks
Dave
It's $380 more, and comes with better injectors, and bluetooth. Any way you slice it, it's AT LEAST +30WHP, +30WTQ, for something you can install yourself in 2 hours or less, and all you gotta to is use E85! It saves you a little money on fuel (most of the time). HP/$ is very good, much better than longtubes that's for dang sure...
I have basically been giving the injectors away... go find me a better deal on these...good luck, and as of this morning, because of a very recent price increase @ Bosch for them, injectors now cost $775, just verified that this morning
Thanks
Dave
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Depends on the interest for a GB, not sure we have enough folks. If 10 or so can be rounded up we can do it, but its the ones with headers that are gonna be sad... because the injector thing is kinda crazy... my cost on them pretty much doubled, so unless that settles down a bit I probably wont even sell injectors any longer. Bruce @ Five-0 Motorsports is probably close to the cheapest price at this point...
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For those that daily drive the car, has anyone run through a full tank of e85 (until the gas light pops) with a majority of the miles being highway/cruising AND not beating on the car?
I wanted to see how many miles I could get before the light came on while doing a 85% highway driving (55-80mph) and 15% city. Got 210 miles. Thought it would be better then that
I wanted to see how many miles I could get before the light came on while doing a 85% highway driving (55-80mph) and 15% city. Got 210 miles. Thought it would be better then that
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Yep - Any mix is safe, we've done lots of testing with different brands of fuel.up to E100. I will say though that during that testing - we didn't see much in the way of gains using a higher percentage. We get the best results and best track times simply using Valero pump E85.
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Bentz69,
Yes I have done this as well with very similar results to yours. The fact is when using ethanol your engine requires 30% more fuel to create the same amount of energy for the combustion process. This is what all these kits are doing. Monitoring the ethanol content into the engine and then increasing the duty cycle (adding the compensating amount of Ethanol) to create the equivalent amount of energy from that explosion. The comment near the beginning of this post stating that your MPG should stay around the same as 93 octane if you drive the car normal is completely false. Driving like a grandma your engine still needs the added 30% of fuel. 0.30 x 285 (Miles to a tank on 93) = 85.5. So on 100% ethanol you should get 199.5 miles to a tank. You ran 85% ethanol so 210 miles per tank is right at what should be expected. Also, as far as being a more economical way of fueling your car its probably not, it is more eco-friendly though. My personal experience is that it is actually more expensive to use ethanol vs gasoline, but this is a trade off, power vs MPG.
Yes I have done this as well with very similar results to yours. The fact is when using ethanol your engine requires 30% more fuel to create the same amount of energy for the combustion process. This is what all these kits are doing. Monitoring the ethanol content into the engine and then increasing the duty cycle (adding the compensating amount of Ethanol) to create the equivalent amount of energy from that explosion. The comment near the beginning of this post stating that your MPG should stay around the same as 93 octane if you drive the car normal is completely false. Driving like a grandma your engine still needs the added 30% of fuel. 0.30 x 285 (Miles to a tank on 93) = 85.5. So on 100% ethanol you should get 199.5 miles to a tank. You ran 85% ethanol so 210 miles per tank is right at what should be expected. Also, as far as being a more economical way of fueling your car its probably not, it is more eco-friendly though. My personal experience is that it is actually more expensive to use ethanol vs gasoline, but this is a trade off, power vs MPG.
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Dtorre you just confirmed my suspicions. I almost knew for a fact it would be more expensive to run e85. As far as fuel economy, I get about 200 miles on shell 91 the way I usually drive the car. So on e85 what would I be looking 130-160 miles per tank. Add that to the fact I would have to buy overpriced injectors because of the headers. No thanks.
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I am interested in a group buy without injectors. Don't have headers, and probably wont be spending $3000 for a set for a while. What would the group buy price be without injectors? And if we cant get a group buy together, how much to just buy the flex fuel setup direct from eurocharged?
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I am interested in a group buy without injectors. Don't have headers, and probably wont be spending $3000 for a set for a while. What would the group buy price be without injectors? And if we cant get a group buy together, how much to just buy the flex fuel setup direct from eurocharged?
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Dtorre you just confirmed my suspicions. I almost knew for a fact it would be more expensive to run e85. As far as fuel economy, I get about 200 miles on shell 91 the way I usually drive the car. So on e85 what would I be looking 130-160 miles per tank. Add that to the fact I would have to buy overpriced injectors because of the headers. No thanks.
I get about 180-190 miles per tank on E85, that also includes a pretty heavy foot.
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Thats not too bad. I really drive this car hard so I was expecting horrid fuel economy. I might install it after all if I find those elusive 550cc injectors, at a reasonable price, that is.
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Negative! And other vendor sells them for nearly double. So it might sit in my garage for a while or I'll sell it. Either way I'm pretty happy with my current list of mods. V7, Rows, ARH catted headers, Magic Spacers, Bigger Green Filters, Magic Pulley and factory LSD.
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Negative! And other vendor sells them for nearly double. So it might sit in my garage for a while or I'll sell it. Either way I'm pretty happy with my current list of mods. V7, Rows, ARH catted headers, Magic Spacers, Bigger Green Filters, Magic Pulley and factory LSD.
I'm in South Africa, so would prefer to buy a complete package from one vendor, to save on import and shipping costs.
Guess I need to look for another mod.
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Well that sucks. I was thinking of getting the Eurocharged Flex Fuel package as my next mod. But I have headers, so I need the injectors.
I'm in South Africa, so would prefer to buy a complete package from one vendor, to save on import and shipping costs.
Guess I need to look for another mod.
I'm in South Africa, so would prefer to buy a complete package from one vendor, to save on import and shipping costs.
Guess I need to look for another mod.
