C63 M156 ticking noise
#76
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The most recent video it was predominately lifters. Bleed down happens and that lifter sound is a byproduct.
The guy chiming in about rod or crank bearings just seems inexperienced with the "normal" sounds this engine makes.
I had completely fùcked crank bearings in my blown S2000 engine and it was as quiet as a mouse idling. Noises can't be applied cross platform like that.
I can post pictures of another engine as well. Doesn't apply to this one...
#77
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Ok than there are 2 possibilities.
1: replace the lifters again and soak them in oil before install.
2:replace the complete Head (problem with oil supply to one or two lifters).
BUT
If the lifters are getting less oil the valve isn´t working on his full "workspace" and then there are more problems with less power, check engine on ect. Or I´m wrong here?
Also i couldn´t find abnormal wear in the head or at the cams/ lifters when opend the engine first time.
Which should be the thing, if there was an problem with oil supply, or not?
1: replace the lifters again and soak them in oil before install.
2:replace the complete Head (problem with oil supply to one or two lifters).
BUT
If the lifters are getting less oil the valve isn´t working on his full "workspace" and then there are more problems with less power, check engine on ect. Or I´m wrong here?
Also i couldn´t find abnormal wear in the head or at the cams/ lifters when opend the engine first time.
Which should be the thing, if there was an problem with oil supply, or not?
Last edited by tompen2405; 03-18-2017 at 06:37 PM.
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#80
Tompen You re from germany and I am grom Poland. I have a lot of cars with high bhp and I have a very good service. If You want to diagnose Your car and dont want to spend a lot of money in AMG service You should come to me.
#81
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Does the sound in the below video go away once warmed up (~80°C oil temp)?
#82
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No its stay with oil temp.
Think also with warm engine it is a little bit Louder.
Once the Engine gets high rpm (red line ) iit is a little bit quieter but some time at idle its getting louder again.
Think also with warm engine it is a little bit Louder.
Once the Engine gets high rpm (red line ) iit is a little bit quieter but some time at idle its getting louder again.
#83
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The lifters shouldn't tick like that once up to temp. They should prime and hold pressure.
Once and a while on a cold start (after your car has been parked for a while) because of bleed down depending what oil you use is common.
Pull your valve cover and check for excessive wear. If it's always doing that it's not good for the cam lobes.
Once and a while on a cold start (after your car has been parked for a while) because of bleed down depending what oil you use is common.
Pull your valve cover and check for excessive wear. If it's always doing that it's not good for the cam lobes.
#84
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Yes I know.
But i´ve checked the camshafts and lobes for unnormal wear when changed the headbolts.
Evertyhing was fine, no excessive wear visible.
And I think the previous owner drove the car also with that sound.
Maybe I should follow one advice to soak the lifters before install.
He had the same problems after a head bolt change.
Got also new heads on warranty because of worn out cam lobes after 1.000km (after the HB exchange at a mercedes dealer)
They bulit together the eninge with new heads, camshafts, lifter, timining chain, cam adjusters but the noise stayed.
After that they order 32 lifters and soak them 2 days in oil before assemble.
His engine is now quiet.
I asked many people in germany but all told me that this isn´t the problem, becaue the lifter fill with oil at the first startup when there new, so no need to soak before.
Don´t know whom to believe now.
But i´ve checked the camshafts and lobes for unnormal wear when changed the headbolts.
Evertyhing was fine, no excessive wear visible.
And I think the previous owner drove the car also with that sound.
Maybe I should follow one advice to soak the lifters before install.
He had the same problems after a head bolt change.
Got also new heads on warranty because of worn out cam lobes after 1.000km (after the HB exchange at a mercedes dealer)
They bulit together the eninge with new heads, camshafts, lifter, timining chain, cam adjusters but the noise stayed.
After that they order 32 lifters and soak them 2 days in oil before assemble.
His engine is now quiet.
I asked many people in germany but all told me that this isn´t the problem, becaue the lifter fill with oil at the first startup when there new, so no need to soak before.
Don´t know whom to believe now.
#85
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And I think the previous owner drove the car also with that sound.
Maybe I should follow one advice to soak the lifters before install.
He had the same problems after a head bolt change.
Got also new heads on warranty because of worn out cam lobes after 1.000km (after the HB exchange at a mercedes dealer)
They bulit together the eninge with new heads, camshafts, lifter, timining chain, cam adjusters but the noise stayed.
After that they order 32 lifters and soak them 2 days in oil before assemble.
His engine is now quiet.
I asked many people in germany but all told me that this isn´t the problem, becaue the lifter fill with oil at the first startup when there new, so no need to soak before.
Don´t know whom to believe now.
Maybe I should follow one advice to soak the lifters before install.
He had the same problems after a head bolt change.
Got also new heads on warranty because of worn out cam lobes after 1.000km (after the HB exchange at a mercedes dealer)
They bulit together the eninge with new heads, camshafts, lifter, timining chain, cam adjusters but the noise stayed.
After that they order 32 lifters and soak them 2 days in oil before assemble.
His engine is now quiet.
I asked many people in germany but all told me that this isn´t the problem, becaue the lifter fill with oil at the first startup when there new, so no need to soak before.
Don´t know whom to believe now.
#86
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"If they've been making noise like that constantly since the install I'm suggesting to check them now for excessive wear."
I had the noise BEFORE replacing the HB.
Bought the car with a front damage and drove it after i fixed the front.
Than i noticed the coolant loss.
Opend the engine and found weistec headstuds from the previous owner (canada).
Think they had coolant loss in the past, but because the put sealant between headgasket and block the problem came again.
Now the heads are grinded and assembled with the original head gasket and headbolts (original)
I had the noise BEFORE replacing the HB.
Bought the car with a front damage and drove it after i fixed the front.
Than i noticed the coolant loss.
Opend the engine and found weistec headstuds from the previous owner (canada).
Think they had coolant loss in the past, but because the put sealant between headgasket and block the problem came again.
Now the heads are grinded and assembled with the original head gasket and headbolts (original)
#87
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"If they've been making noise like that constantly since the install I'm suggesting to check them now for excessive wear."
I had the noise BEFORE replacing the HB.
Bought the car with a front damage and drove it after i fixed the front.
Than i noticed the coolant loss.
Opend the engine and found weistec headstuds from the previous owner (canada).
Think they had coolant loss in the past, but because the put sealant between headgasket and block the problem came again.
Now the heads are grinded and assembled with the original head gasket and headbolts (original)
I had the noise BEFORE replacing the HB.
Bought the car with a front damage and drove it after i fixed the front.
Than i noticed the coolant loss.
Opend the engine and found weistec headstuds from the previous owner (canada).
Think they had coolant loss in the past, but because the put sealant between headgasket and block the problem came again.
Now the heads are grinded and assembled with the original head gasket and headbolts (original)
Why didn't you just lay everything out in the first post so it's easy to follow?
Can you answer my questions in the below format please?
Answers
- Answer 1
- Answer 2
- Answer #...
Questions:
- This car had an unknown noise that followed RPM from day 1 of your ownership?
- Started consuming coolant and upon repair you discovered it had ARP (weistec rebranded) studs?
- You pulled the head, machined the surface, then reassembled with OE parts (bolts and new lifters)?
- Post repair, it still had the same unknown sound (multiple videos posted of it sounding normal, one or 2 with the lifter tick)
- Although some videos have absolutely NO lifter tick you say it makes the lifter tick all the time?
- Why TF didn't you reuse the 10000x better ARP studs?
#88
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Answer 1
Yes
Answer 2
Right
Answer 3
Yes new lifters and one cam adjuster, also chain tensioner
Answer 4
Yes, the sound didn´t change-
AGAIN the sound at idle couldn´t be heard so good at the videos, but at rpm you hear at clearly when the window is open and on the recordings
Answer 5
Bad quality of recording, at rpm it is heared at the video very well.
Answer 6
Don´t want to pull the complete engine, also the previous owner used not all washers (some are missing)
Best would be to found the previous owner and ask him what they did with the car.
But I think thats nearly impossible
First owner came from Ontario
The second and last owner (since 02.10.2015) from Quebec.
I bought the car in 09/2016 in Germany, imported without german paperwork.
Yes
Answer 2
Right
Answer 3
Yes new lifters and one cam adjuster, also chain tensioner
Answer 4
Yes, the sound didn´t change-
AGAIN the sound at idle couldn´t be heard so good at the videos, but at rpm you hear at clearly when the window is open and on the recordings
Answer 5
Bad quality of recording, at rpm it is heared at the video very well.
Answer 6
Don´t want to pull the complete engine, also the previous owner used not all washers (some are missing)
Best would be to found the previous owner and ask him what they did with the car.
But I think thats nearly impossible
First owner came from Ontario
The second and last owner (since 02.10.2015) from Quebec.
I bought the car in 09/2016 in Germany, imported without german paperwork.
Last edited by tompen2405; 03-19-2017 at 12:11 PM.
#89
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Re 4 & 5: Sorry man, some of those videos did NOT have the bleed down lifter issue sound. It is VERY loud, you can't mishear it.
Re 6. Wow that's sketchy. It's possibly coolant was escaping into the valve cover through the bolt and not the gasket?
Re 6. Wow that's sketchy. It's possibly coolant was escaping into the valve cover through the bolt and not the gasket?
#90
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Re 6
Yes could be, now everything is fine.
Drove since my repair 1.500km the sound is from times to times loader, than quieter.
But NEVER went fully away.
Mercedes dealer told me everthing ok, until a revved the car.
Than they said check the camshaft adjuster.
But the adjuster are all locking, also have latest partnumber.
Noise can be heard from the intake both sides (mixed with injector noise), but when you listen carefully you hear it from the left front wheel (think exhaust camshaft).
Yes could be, now everything is fine.
Drove since my repair 1.500km the sound is from times to times loader, than quieter.
But NEVER went fully away.
Mercedes dealer told me everthing ok, until a revved the car.
Than they said check the camshaft adjuster.
But the adjuster are all locking, also have latest partnumber.
Noise can be heard from the intake both sides (mixed with injector noise), but when you listen carefully you hear it from the left front wheel (think exhaust camshaft).
Last edited by tompen2405; 03-19-2017 at 04:17 PM.
#91
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It's a flat tappet design, it's supposed to make some noise which is what you can hear in some videos. The very loud noise in your most recent video is when the bucket isn't fully pressurized caused by bleed down.
#92
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But this can´t be normal:
It its not my car, but it sound exactly same.
The owner of the car who recorded said to me that the sound from the video is gone after 10km.
Mine stays.
It its not my car, but it sound exactly same.
The owner of the car who recorded said to me that the sound from the video is gone after 10km.
Mine stays.
#93
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^^^that is lifter noise which is semi-normal. The reason it goes away after 10 km is because the pil pressure has built back up into the lifter.
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#95
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My car has the sound at every time.
Cold less than warm.
#96
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Post a good quality video of your car making the extremely loud lifter noise (as distinctively heard in the "M156 tickerin" video) when it's cold and when it's warm.
Of YOUR car, not someone else's.
You say your videos are poor quality and relate what you hear in person to what it sounds like in a video of someone else's car. We've established the audio in a video is far less dramatic than in person. All the evidence points to you confusing what you hear in person to what you think it sounds like in a video.
Of YOUR car, not someone else's.
You say your videos are poor quality and relate what you hear in person to what it sounds like in a video of someone else's car. We've established the audio in a video is far less dramatic than in person. All the evidence points to you confusing what you hear in person to what you think it sounds like in a video.
#98
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Sounds fine other than a noisy accessory.
10000% for sure not the lifter bleed down sound you're claiming...
Edit: Hear the difference between your video and these?
10000% for sure not the lifter bleed down sound you're claiming...
Edit: Hear the difference between your video and these?
Last edited by Jasonoff; 03-25-2017 at 01:27 PM.
#99
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OP, your car sounds pretty normal to me. I agree with Jasonoff.
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I hear something. But it's impossible to diagnose what the problem is from the dozen videos you've posted over the past month. Could be a number of things, all of which have been suggested here. In that time, you could've taken it to someone who knows what they're doing, and had it fixed by now.