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Old 08-19-2017, 10:46 AM
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That's so weird Ryan. I've got to think that you're right that one of the fuel pumps is struggling for some reason. How to test it is the question. If they're cheap, it might just be good to replace both?
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Maybe one or both pumps are getting to hot so with less fuel it's not enough to keep them cool?
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Originally Posted by Ryan951s
Hey there,

It was down at The Ridge actually, so through turns 7/8/9 heading up to The Thumb, then turn 12 heading on to the back straight.

Being a 2009 I think there are 2 pumps, so wondering if the one in the right side of the tank isn't keeping up?

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I'm running NA airboxes with the charcoal filters removed and K&Ns. I think stock filters might be the next step as I've read a couple posts about K&Ns causing these symptoms. Why it would only be on right handers once the fuel drops is a bit beyond me, but I think stock filters will be the next step to try.

it seems like a fuel delivery issue, but I just can't see how it would happen at half a tank of gas. I think we're just dealing with something really weird and we'll need to track it down piece by piece.

Since filters are cheap and easy, I'll start there and cross that one off the list. If it persists then I'll focus more directly at fuel delivery.

Thanks for the info gents, appreciate it!

Ryan

ps. The car was a lot of fun again at the track. Definitely need some tires for next season (I'm running Conti Extreme Contacts as this is my first year at the track with the car), but the upgrade to Motul 600 RBF and Powerstop Track Day pads certainly woke up the braking. I've now joined the 'bronze caliper' club. (I'll post a review of the pads in a separate post.)
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Originally Posted by Ryan951s
I'm running NA airboxes with the charcoal filters removed and K&Ns. I think stock filters might be the next step as I've read a couple posts about K&Ns causing these symptoms. Why it would only be on right handers once the fuel drops is a bit beyond me, but I think stock filters will be the next step to try.

it seems like a fuel delivery issue, but I just can't see how it would happen at half a tank of gas. I think we're just dealing with something really weird and we'll need to track it down piece by piece.

Since filters are cheap and easy, I'll start there and cross that one off the list. If it persists then I'll focus more directly at fuel delivery.

Thanks for the info gents, appreciate it!

Ryan

ps. The car was a lot of fun again at the track. Definitely need some tires for next season (I'm running Conti Extreme Contacts as this is my first year at the track with the car), but the upgrade to Motul 600 RBF and Powerstop Track Day pads certainly woke up the braking. I've now joined the 'bronze caliper' club. (I'll post a review of the pads in a separate post.)
You know, while I have had 11 MB cars in my lifetime I, like you, are relatively new to this beast but if life with MB cars has taught me one thing it is that I can choose to struggle to figure some stuff out or take it to my ever reliable tech at my dealer and let him sort it out. Usually it takes minimal time and less stress than trying to do it myself and can in the end be less costly. You have more going on here that air boxes, MAF issues etc. The fact that it is one sided and specific makes it more complex.
Save you self the angst and take it to someone who can tell you what it is and how to fix it.
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In 2009 there are two pumps, a main and an auxiliary, one under each side of the rear seat, so its extra weird that you have this issue. I believe we just have a single now, but Im not sure when that crossed over and I havent had cause to see it.
So, just to add here. I was looking for something else on OEDiscountParts, and their system shows that the FL/BS models ALSO have 2 fuel pumps. Just thought this was interesting. They're only like $300ea so probably worth replacing on higher mileage cars.
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Originally Posted by BLKROKT
So, just to add here. I was looking for something else on OEDiscountParts, and their system shows that the FL/BS models ALSO have 2 fuel pumps. Just thought this was interesting. They're only like $300ea so probably worth replacing on higher mileage cars.
Very interesting as the info I found said that the 2010s onward were single pump but then again Pelican Parts is saying 2 per vehicle in 2011, 2012 and 2013 so I guess there are 2 and the earlier info I dug out was not right. Good one guy!
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And for a quick update on this issue...

Definitely a fuel starvation issue somehow. When the tank is full, there are no issues. Just above half a tank, start getting hesitation on the fast uphill right-hander. At 1/3rd of a tank, get hesitation on the low-speed right hander. Top up the tank and everything is fine again.

I ran stock paper filters and didn't get a CEL, so I'm leaning towards tires fuel pumps.

I'll get a new left pump installed (since it's only on right-handers) before my next track day in July and report back...
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That’s weird. I’ve run out of gas on track twice this year, and both times it was on hard LEFT turns. The last time, once I got the car straightened out I had enough to sputter back to the pits.
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Saddle tank, one side has to transfer to the other, if there is a transfer issue it could start to run low once it goes down to half.

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