C63fora2w1

Thank you for your concern but I'm the one driving the car and I am confident that what I have chosen is both safe, effective and serves my purpose. The brakes are firm and stop exceptionally well. I have not conducted scientific testing but I would be willing to bet that they would out perform OEM pads by a small margin.


There was another member here who I found doing a search for carbon ceramic brakes who recommended these to me after using them and why I ended up buying them.

BLKROKT

What are you basing any of that from, because you're just totally wrong. Like completely objectively factually wrong. Is this what "you think" or "your opinion", because your entire statement is not based in reality.

BLKROKT

I shudder to think of what these are made of or how they are bonded together.

Let the soon-to-be Darwin Award winners be, they always sort themselves out.

alexanderfoti

Care to provide any information to back up your "Factually, objectively" Correct opinion.

C63fora2w1

I dont want to get into a pissing contest but I would throw that right back at you and say show me a study proving me wrong. Find a comparison showing porterfield are 3x better that the Powerstop Z23 to justify the price difference and your hypotheses.

C63fora2w1

A quick google search shows plenty of the 707hp hellcat guys using the same Z23 pads and even powerstop track pads. If its good enough for a 707hp hellcat its good enough for your Mercedes.

alexanderfoti

LOL wrong side mate!!! That is my point to them. I am on yours.

My point is they are sitting saying they are better, then crossing their arms and frowning, failing to back up their points.

Ambystom01

OK, you boys buy $50 brake pads for your $80,000 500 HP sports sedans.

alexanderfoti

Will do.

SuckaGDog

Lol my question is why is "carbon fiber" in the thread title?

C63fora2w1

https://www.powerstop.com/product/z2...rt-brake-pads/


Z23 Evolution Sport

Carbon Fiber Infused Ceramic Brake Pads

skhan91

lol "paying more for things helps me feel safer"

Ambystom01

Nope, more like:

"When I buy a luxury car, I expect to buy quality parts, not the cheapest parts I can get at the local parts store."

skhan91

except you think that price=quality.

skhan91

anyways, i dont actually think theres a point to debating this.

everyone just buy whatever they want.

I think the main point of this thread is that OP tried these new "cheap pads" and have found great results so far.

info for everyone!

C63fora2w1

My goal was to find a ceramic pad to eliminate dust and I was pleasantly surprised to find a set that was very affordable. If you look at my original post I had purchased the Akebono and they were $150 a set and they did not fit so I found the powerstop as an alternative. I looked at EBC and Porterfield but I did not see where they offer a ceramic pad.

Ambystom01

No I don't. I'm capable of practicing common sense.

These pads cost $50. That's less than the price of a decent oil change.

These pads cost a fraction of the cost of OEM pads, or well-known, well-reviewed aftermarket pads.

Now, either Mercedes and all of the aftermarket manufacturers are wildly inflating their prices, which requires an industry-wide conspiracy to keep prices high against basic capitalist principles, or there is something that sets these pads apart from the rest, hence the bargain basement price.

I think the latter is more logical than the former.

NotABaller

Y'all are so mean to eachother in here. As AMG owners we should know that a lot of our parts have ridiculous mark up and "AMG tax".

$50 is suspiciously cheap but OP posted great content for us. We should do research before bagging on him. Thanks for finding this and posting your review OP.

Ambystom01

:lol: OP thanks a post where the OP is applauded for "great content".

MBNRG

This was an informative article, thanks for posting, Jason.
It really communicates the urgency of Caveat Emptor to those considering cheaper pads, especially in light of the following from the article:

"There are no federal safety standards for aftermarket brake linings.
With zero regulations, aftermarket brake suppliers have to police themselves and each other to assure their products are safe. No brake supplier in their right mind would sell brake linings they know are not capable of providing adequate stopping power under normal driving conditions. Even so, what is adequate is subject to interpretation, and some suppliers take a more liberal view of the bottom line requirements than others.
If you want to maintain like-new brake performance, you should be installing application-engineered or premium brake linings that have been tested and certified to meet standards similar to FMVSS 105, 135 and maybe 126."

Does price correlate with quality/performance? No one has provided any real data to substantiate either spectrum of the claims in this thread, unless the aftermarket manufacturer has provided test results and explicit statements certifying their pads meet standards quoted above. We cannot use the argument that since Hellcat drivers use X pad, then it should be safe for us, or the argument that since I paid X dollars for this premium pad it should perform to OEM or better specs.
But historically, paying a premium has usually translated into a higher quality product.


Myself, I chose to run Carbotech Pads for their track proven performance across many forums, and a few of our own guys here run them with great success on multiple track sessions, over multiple heat cycles. They have also been chosen as the official Brake Pad of the U.S. Endurance Racing Association.
I offer these carbon pads as an alternative to the OP's.

Whatever you run, please be safe out there.

C63fora2w1

I posted a review of a product that I am currently using and I like the results. You on the other hand have not used the product and feel that it is too inferior for you to be bothered with. You also stated that you feel that Mercedes prices on parts are reasonable which is anything but the truth.


Honestly if that's how you feel then it's useless trying to debate with your because your standpoint is anything that does not cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars is beneath you. If you really wanted to know the market price you would look at the link that I supplied above for the local parts store. There is a range and the product I chose is not the cheapest by far and does a fantastic job.


It was the same way when I purchased my carbon fiber seat back covers. Revozport charges $1500 for what I paid $700. Everyone was oh they'll be garbage or there will be something wrong with them.. it could not be anything further from the truth. Just because you paid a lot of money does not necessarily mean its better it just means you paid double what I did.

NotABaller

Agree with everything in this post except the bolded part. The hellcat argument is very solid, unless there is an underlying mechanical reason that causes a discrepancy in braking effectiveness from c63 rotors to hellcat rotors. In other words, if the pads are good enough for Dodge to put them on their 700 HP 4500lb beast, then it should be good enough for our cars. Unless there is a fitment issue.

Edit: Just read the posts more carefully and it seems that its hellcat drivers, not Dodge themselves who are putting the pads on the hellcats. This weakens the argument!

Whatever you guys put on your brakes, please be safe!!

604 C63

Not for nothing but a variation of this is the latest scandal starting to come out of Germany right now. Not a ton of stuff in English, but the words "cartel" and "price fixing" are being passed around a lot, with regards to technology and also some basic ingredients such as steel.
The anti-trust gang is losing their mind lol

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/soz...a-1159052.html

Ambystom01

I also haven't eaten at White Castle, but if someone told me it was as good as a steak I make at home, I'd be very suspicious and want more than a "trust me, I'm right" argument.

My point is that these are brake pads, and not the place to cut corners. I like to save money where I think it is reasonable. I'm all for the IPE/Agency Power/FI headers because they make similar power to the significantly more expensive products. There is objective evidence that they perform close to the same.

I have run a lot of brake pads on a lot of cars. I am extremely suspicious of a set of brake pads that are apparently catered to a performance car like the C63, but cost less than any pad I have ever encountered from a reputable brand.

What I and others take issue with is your non-objective statements suggesting that these perform as well as OEM or aftermarket manufacturers, for which you have no proof, and seemingly base your conclusion on the fact the pads have lasted a week or so.

BLKROKT

Because the OP doesn't have any idea what he is talking about. Probably repeating some marketing he heard. It's too dumb to possibly be a typo. "Ooh look, there's carbon fiber woven into the brake pad. That must mean they're really good." Now he's a brake expert. Ok.