Cabon Fiber Ceramic brakes
07-24-2017, 04:24 PM
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Agree with everything in this post except the bolded part. The hellcat argument is very solid, unless there is an underlying mechanical reason that causes a discrepancy in braking effectiveness from c63 rotors to hellcat rotors. In other words, if the pads are good enough for Dodge to put them on their 700 HP 4500lb beast, then it should be good enough for our cars. Unless there is a fitment issue.
Edit: Just read the posts more carefully and it seems that its hellcat drivers, not Dodge themselves who are putting the pads on the hellcats. This weakens the argument!
Whatever you guys put on your brakes, please be safe!!
Edit: Just read the posts more carefully and it seems that its hellcat drivers, not Dodge themselves who are putting the pads on the hellcats. This weakens the argument!
Whatever you guys put on your brakes, please be safe!!
Are you serious? Seriously?
07-24-2017, 04:24 PM
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For those of you interested the powerstop website says they are made to OEM spec.
https://www.powerstop.com/can-i-use-...stop-products/
Someone had asked where they could find them in Europe. Here is a list of the distributors world wide.
https://www.powerstop.com/where-to-buy/
All I was trying to do is give a review that would benefit the community.. do what you will with the information.
https://www.powerstop.com/can-i-use-...stop-products/
Someone had asked where they could find them in Europe. Here is a list of the distributors world wide.
https://www.powerstop.com/where-to-buy/
All I was trying to do is give a review that would benefit the community.. do what you will with the information.
07-24-2017, 04:25 PM
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If theyre good for Hellcats then theyre good for C63's. Im an LSAT and GMAT instructor, this is a very logical and valid argument as long as our assumptions hold.
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07-24-2017, 04:26 PM
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For those of you interested the powerstop website says they are maid to OEM spec.
https://www.powerstop.com/can-i-use-...stop-products/
Someone had asked where they could find them in Europe. Here is a list of the distributors world wide.
https://www.powerstop.com/where-to-buy/
All I was trying to do is give a review that would benefit the community.. do what you will with the information.
https://www.powerstop.com/can-i-use-...stop-products/
Someone had asked where they could find them in Europe. Here is a list of the distributors world wide.
https://www.powerstop.com/where-to-buy/
All I was trying to do is give a review that would benefit the community.. do what you will with the information.
I take from the context that what Powerstop means is they're the same basic design as the stock pads, meaning they fit in the stock calipers.
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07-24-2017, 04:26 PM
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I love this thread. It just perfectly sums up where the W204 C63 has gone. It's only going to get worse, and dumber, if you can believe that. Every. Single. Day.
07-24-2017, 04:26 PM
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Well he needs carbon fiber pads to go with his great new tune.
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07-24-2017, 04:29 PM
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Carbon fiber is in the title and description
Carbon-Fiber Ceramic
A low-dust ceramic formula that is reinforced with carbon fibers to strengthen the compound and provide severe-duty stopping power without sacrificing every-day drivability.
Carbon-Fiber Ceramic
A low-dust ceramic formula that is reinforced with carbon fibers to strengthen the compound and provide severe-duty stopping power without sacrificing every-day drivability.
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07-24-2017, 04:33 PM
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It just wouldnt be The Octagon without the daily cage match, amirite?
Return to your neutral corners.
For those of you looking for budget options....a member has posted one.
For those of you not interested in budget options.....move along, there's nothing to see here.
Jeebuz H Christie. When I am the voice of reason we are doomed.
Return to your neutral corners.
For those of you looking for budget options....a member has posted one.
For those of you not interested in budget options.....move along, there's nothing to see here.
Jeebuz H Christie. When I am the voice of reason we are doomed.
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07-24-2017, 04:42 PM
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Yes yes. Please keep repeating this utter stupidity.
What's the Hellcat's rotor size to pad size ratio, or pad size to number of pistons and maximum pressure, and in relation to weight of the car, and maybe the strength of the spindle the calipers mount on, and maybe the material of any caliper brackets, versus the friction coefficient of the pad and clamping power taking into account said variables. And probably 30 other attributes I'm not thinking about in terms of the pad itself like maximum temperature, temperature range, pad density to figure rates of heating and cooling, what is the pad bonded to the backing plate with and what is that substance's characteristics. And what about having the right pad for the tires you run - type, treadwear rating, width - these all come into play as far as exceeding the forces on the car as they were designed to handle. And now how do all of those details compare to how the C63 is built and operates. Same weight? Comeon you can't be serious. So just because some random Hellcat owners tried the pads, and it stopped their cars, that means that it's what's best to stop a C63 too?
Do you believe everything you read on the internet, or do you think about things for yourself sometimes too?
And you want to cheap out on brakes, on a modified car that goes even further into the red on exceeding the manufacturer specs for what the OEM braking system was built to handle. You can't possibly be serious. .
I mean, I'll go look stuff up and add another dozen critical material and manufacturing properties that a true OEM-supplier premium manufacturer, working hand-in-hand with the auto manufacturers, tests for and develops specifically for each car across an enormous sample size. And they have the resources to do this and R&D budget to determine the best pad for the car.
Do you actually think that reasonable people just slap on whatever old pad is the right size, according to some anonomyous forum poster on a board somewhere? In reference to a totally different car? You should read this out loud, because it sounds like I'm talking to a crazy person. Do you even know what kind of compound you're running, or how much heat our systems can generate in just normal every-day braking? Have you ever taken caliper temperatures, tire temps, pad temps. Have you ever seen a caliper turn black because it got so hot it burns the red paint. Do you have any inkling at all of what kind of forces are at play here.
Brakes are not the place to save money. Brakes are something you don't want to even think about. Brakes are something you want too much of and to exceed the manufacturer recommended specs - because I think most of us do not drive like the "typical" or "average" driver as MB would define that. We all have modified cars that create forces that exceed what the systems were designed for. You want too much brake, not just enough. You want to upgrade your brakes like everything else, not make them worse.
Are you nuts. Seriously, lay off the carbon fiber bling and spend more on pads. Where are your priorities, they're totally out of whack. Cheap out on anything else before brakes dummy. Even I knew that **** when I was a dumb 20yo with a fast car.
Unbelievable
What's the Hellcat's rotor size to pad size ratio, or pad size to number of pistons and maximum pressure, and in relation to weight of the car, and maybe the strength of the spindle the calipers mount on, and maybe the material of any caliper brackets, versus the friction coefficient of the pad and clamping power taking into account said variables. And probably 30 other attributes I'm not thinking about in terms of the pad itself like maximum temperature, temperature range, pad density to figure rates of heating and cooling, what is the pad bonded to the backing plate with and what is that substance's characteristics. And what about having the right pad for the tires you run - type, treadwear rating, width - these all come into play as far as exceeding the forces on the car as they were designed to handle. And now how do all of those details compare to how the C63 is built and operates. Same weight? Comeon you can't be serious. So just because some random Hellcat owners tried the pads, and it stopped their cars, that means that it's what's best to stop a C63 too?
Do you believe everything you read on the internet, or do you think about things for yourself sometimes too?
And you want to cheap out on brakes, on a modified car that goes even further into the red on exceeding the manufacturer specs for what the OEM braking system was built to handle. You can't possibly be serious. .
I mean, I'll go look stuff up and add another dozen critical material and manufacturing properties that a true OEM-supplier premium manufacturer, working hand-in-hand with the auto manufacturers, tests for and develops specifically for each car across an enormous sample size. And they have the resources to do this and R&D budget to determine the best pad for the car.
Do you actually think that reasonable people just slap on whatever old pad is the right size, according to some anonomyous forum poster on a board somewhere? In reference to a totally different car? You should read this out loud, because it sounds like I'm talking to a crazy person. Do you even know what kind of compound you're running, or how much heat our systems can generate in just normal every-day braking? Have you ever taken caliper temperatures, tire temps, pad temps. Have you ever seen a caliper turn black because it got so hot it burns the red paint. Do you have any inkling at all of what kind of forces are at play here.
Brakes are not the place to save money. Brakes are something you don't want to even think about. Brakes are something you want too much of and to exceed the manufacturer recommended specs - because I think most of us do not drive like the "typical" or "average" driver as MB would define that. We all have modified cars that create forces that exceed what the systems were designed for. You want too much brake, not just enough. You want to upgrade your brakes like everything else, not make them worse.
Are you nuts. Seriously, lay off the carbon fiber bling and spend more on pads. Where are your priorities, they're totally out of whack. Cheap out on anything else before brakes dummy. Even I knew that **** when I was a dumb 20yo with a fast car.
Unbelievable
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07-24-2017, 04:53 PM
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Some of you guys are really stubborn but thats ok because it brings further interesting discussion. Mercedes parts prices are super inflated even with a dealership employee discount, mercedes still profits. The exact oem part number alternative only has to be a few dollars cheaper then the mercedes price, because there is no competition, you are choosing between mercedes branded vs not. If you go aftermarket its much cheaper and more realistic because there is competition. Powerstop, TRW, centric etc. Some pads made in spain, china and even usa. The braking system in mercedes is not amazing, alot of cars run brembo brakes nowadays and compare prices of pads to those cars. Brembo themselves have front pads for cars that sell for 50 bux, not much of a difference in amount of metal, and brake pad material used. Would I track on 50 dollar pads probably not, but perfectly usable on the street, if I was to go on a track I would purchase pads marketed for the track.
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07-24-2017, 04:59 PM
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Oh well, I tried...
Couple more links
https://www.knowyourparts.com/techni...s/brake-myths/
http://www.nucap.com/news-events/saf...ported-brakes/
Couple more links
https://www.knowyourparts.com/techni...s/brake-myths/
http://www.nucap.com/news-events/saf...ported-brakes/
07-24-2017, 05:04 PM
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Some of you guys are really stubborn but thats ok because it brings further interesting discussion. Mercedes parts prices are super inflated even with a dealership employee discount, mercedes still profits. The exact oem part number alternative only has to be a few dollars cheaper then the mercedes price, because there is no competition, you are choosing between mercedes branded vs not. If you go aftermarket its much cheaper and more realistic because there is competition. Powerstop, TRW, centric etc. Some pads made in spain, china and even usa. The braking system in mercedes is not amazing, alot of cars run brembo brakes nowadays and compare prices of pads to those cars. Brembo themselves have front pads for cars that sell for 50 bux, not much of a difference in amount of metal, and brake pad material used. Would I track on 50 dollar pads probably not, but perfectly usable on the street, if I was to go on a track I would purchase pads marketed for the track.
This is like Takada cheaping out on airbag inflators. Now people are ****ing dead.
They're BRAKES stupids. Comeon, use your heads.
07-24-2017, 05:12 PM
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If you had to bet your life on whether Brembo or some random Chinese manufacturer was the better run company, better regulated, had better R&D, better manufacturing practices, used higher quality materials - which one would you bet on? Because that's what you're doing. Even if the failure rate, or quality were only 1% different, I like my chances more with the highly regulated and controlled Brembo, that OE manufacturers rely on to not **** up.
This is like Takada cheaping out on airbag inflators. Now people are ****ing dead.
They're BRAKES stupids. Comeon, use your heads.
This is like Takada cheaping out on airbag inflators. Now people are ****ing dead.
They're BRAKES stupids. Comeon, use your heads.
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07-24-2017, 05:53 PM
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Yes yes. Please keep repeating this utter stupidity.
What's the Hellcat's rotor size to pad size ratio, or pad size to number of pistons and maximum pressure, and in relation to weight of the car, and maybe the strength of the spindle the calipers mount on, and maybe the material of any caliper brackets, versus the friction coefficient of the pad and clamping power taking into account said variables. And probably 30 other attributes I'm not thinking about in terms of the pad itself like maximum temperature, temperature range, pad density to figure rates of heating and cooling, what is the pad bonded to the backing plate with and what is that substance's characteristics. And what about having the right pad for the tires you run - type, treadwear rating, width - these all come into play as far as exceeding the forces on the car as they were designed to handle. And now how do all of those details compare to how the C63 is built and operates. Same weight? Comeon you can't be serious. So just because some random Hellcat owners tried the pads, and it stopped their cars, that means that it's what's best to stop a C63 too?
Do you believe everything you read on the internet, or do you think about things for yourself sometimes too?
And you want to cheap out on brakes, on a modified car that goes even further into the red on exceeding the manufacturer specs for what the OEM braking system was built to handle. You can't possibly be serious. .
I mean, I'll go look stuff up and add another dozen critical material and manufacturing properties that a true OEM-supplier premium manufacturer, working hand-in-hand with the auto manufacturers, tests for and develops specifically for each car across an enormous sample size. And they have the resources to do this and R&D budget to determine the best pad for the car.
Do you actually think that reasonable people just slap on whatever old pad is the right size, according to some anonomyous forum poster on a board somewhere? In reference to a totally different car? You should read this out loud, because it sounds like I'm talking to a crazy person. Do you even know what kind of compound you're running, or how much heat our systems can generate in just normal every-day braking? Have you ever taken caliper temperatures, tire temps, pad temps. Have you ever seen a caliper turn black because it got so hot it burns the red paint. Do you have any inkling at all of what kind of forces are at play here.
Brakes are not the place to save money. Brakes are something you don't want to even think about. Brakes are something you want too much of and to exceed the manufacturer recommended specs - because I think most of us do not drive like the "typical" or "average" driver as MB would define that. We all have modified cars that create forces that exceed what the systems were designed for. You want too much brake, not just enough. You want to upgrade your brakes like everything else, not make them worse.
Are you nuts. Seriously, lay off the carbon fiber bling and spend more on pads. Where are your priorities, they're totally out of whack. Cheap out on anything else before brakes dummy. Even I knew that **** when I was a dumb 20yo with a fast car.
Unbelievable
What's the Hellcat's rotor size to pad size ratio, or pad size to number of pistons and maximum pressure, and in relation to weight of the car, and maybe the strength of the spindle the calipers mount on, and maybe the material of any caliper brackets, versus the friction coefficient of the pad and clamping power taking into account said variables. And probably 30 other attributes I'm not thinking about in terms of the pad itself like maximum temperature, temperature range, pad density to figure rates of heating and cooling, what is the pad bonded to the backing plate with and what is that substance's characteristics. And what about having the right pad for the tires you run - type, treadwear rating, width - these all come into play as far as exceeding the forces on the car as they were designed to handle. And now how do all of those details compare to how the C63 is built and operates. Same weight? Comeon you can't be serious. So just because some random Hellcat owners tried the pads, and it stopped their cars, that means that it's what's best to stop a C63 too?
Do you believe everything you read on the internet, or do you think about things for yourself sometimes too?
And you want to cheap out on brakes, on a modified car that goes even further into the red on exceeding the manufacturer specs for what the OEM braking system was built to handle. You can't possibly be serious. .
I mean, I'll go look stuff up and add another dozen critical material and manufacturing properties that a true OEM-supplier premium manufacturer, working hand-in-hand with the auto manufacturers, tests for and develops specifically for each car across an enormous sample size. And they have the resources to do this and R&D budget to determine the best pad for the car.
Do you actually think that reasonable people just slap on whatever old pad is the right size, according to some anonomyous forum poster on a board somewhere? In reference to a totally different car? You should read this out loud, because it sounds like I'm talking to a crazy person. Do you even know what kind of compound you're running, or how much heat our systems can generate in just normal every-day braking? Have you ever taken caliper temperatures, tire temps, pad temps. Have you ever seen a caliper turn black because it got so hot it burns the red paint. Do you have any inkling at all of what kind of forces are at play here.
Brakes are not the place to save money. Brakes are something you don't want to even think about. Brakes are something you want too much of and to exceed the manufacturer recommended specs - because I think most of us do not drive like the "typical" or "average" driver as MB would define that. We all have modified cars that create forces that exceed what the systems were designed for. You want too much brake, not just enough. You want to upgrade your brakes like everything else, not make them worse.
Are you nuts. Seriously, lay off the carbon fiber bling and spend more on pads. Where are your priorities, they're totally out of whack. Cheap out on anything else before brakes dummy. Even I knew that **** when I was a dumb 20yo with a fast car.
Unbelievable
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07-24-2017, 07:27 PM
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https://www.carid.com/powerstop/z23-...-z23-1291.html
https://www.barcodelookup.com/792088835017
Thought barcodes had to start with 0 to be made in NA?
Maybe china?
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...Number=2033360
07-24-2017, 08:32 PM
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LMFAO!!! before even scrolling down to the replies I knew the viagra popping crew would pop in and post a bunch of bull**** about dangers and regulations and China and whatnot.
This is why this forum is one of the worst I've ever been part of. The same garbage no life members here ranting on and on across everything... it's really pathetic. It's like a posse of angry middle aged men going through a midlife crisis and that's what all y'all are a bunch of old losers with too much time, money and no common sense.
Everytime a cheap option or product or vendor is discovered here comes the old men "must be bad quality "wouldn't put that on my car" "I shudder to think how my precious supercar will respond". Someone posts a fun run "omg street racing wtf take to track".
You don't see this kind of nonsense on the //M forums or any other performance enthusiast forum. People share ideas and products and provide reviews and experiences so the community as a whole can benefit. Never fails to amuse me how stupid and thick headed some people really are.
This is the reason why the greedy vendors on here profit so much and there is not much innovation. You will notice these same members sucking these vendors dick.
Hey OP thanks for the links I ordered a set.
This is why this forum is one of the worst I've ever been part of. The same garbage no life members here ranting on and on across everything... it's really pathetic. It's like a posse of angry middle aged men going through a midlife crisis and that's what all y'all are a bunch of old losers with too much time, money and no common sense.
Everytime a cheap option or product or vendor is discovered here comes the old men "must be bad quality "wouldn't put that on my car" "I shudder to think how my precious supercar will respond". Someone posts a fun run "omg street racing wtf take to track".
You don't see this kind of nonsense on the //M forums or any other performance enthusiast forum. People share ideas and products and provide reviews and experiences so the community as a whole can benefit. Never fails to amuse me how stupid and thick headed some people really are.
This is the reason why the greedy vendors on here profit so much and there is not much innovation. You will notice these same members sucking these vendors dick.
Hey OP thanks for the links I ordered a set.
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07-24-2017, 08:40 PM
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I bought a set of OEM style like brake pads for $38 for front and rear for my Range Rover the dealer wanted like $1900 with install.
i paid my local mechanic $40 to install these with the special brake procedure required on RR. Total cost less than $80 installed.
Had them for over 30k miles they are better than OEM. They were no name brand eBay Chinese pads.
The OEM 19s on my C63 bent and cracked from Mercedes in 3k miles under normal driving. I bought $450 replica 19s from HONG KONG CHINA and have put over 20k miles on them hit so many potholes and **** on road and not a single crack or bend. I've gone high speeds with these no problems.
You guys will never fail to amuse me 🤣
Take all that extra money you guys are wasting and spend it on a girl from backpage. I doubt y'all got a S/O otherwise you wouldn't be on the forums 24/7 *****ing 🤣😂
i paid my local mechanic $40 to install these with the special brake procedure required on RR. Total cost less than $80 installed.
Had them for over 30k miles they are better than OEM. They were no name brand eBay Chinese pads.
The OEM 19s on my C63 bent and cracked from Mercedes in 3k miles under normal driving. I bought $450 replica 19s from HONG KONG CHINA and have put over 20k miles on them hit so many potholes and **** on road and not a single crack or bend. I've gone high speeds with these no problems.
You guys will never fail to amuse me 🤣
Take all that extra money you guys are wasting and spend it on a girl from backpage. I doubt y'all got a S/O otherwise you wouldn't be on the forums 24/7 *****ing 🤣😂
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07-24-2017, 08:49 PM
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07-24-2017, 09:10 PM
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You don't see this kind of nonsense on the //M forums or any other performance enthusiast forum. People share ideas and products and provide reviews and experiences so the community as a whole can benefit. Never fails to amuse me how stupid and thick headed some people really are.
Hey OP thanks for the links I ordered a set.
Hey OP thanks for the links I ordered a set.
I think deep down there are a few (definitely not all) people who really resent average people being able to afford c63's now. Its like "Muffy did you see what they post on the forum today.. all these common people buying up all our Mercedes and putting powerstop brakes on them.. what ever is this world coming too".
I'm glad you were able to find a set let us (or me) know what you think of them once you have them installed. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
07-24-2017, 09:12 PM
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The forums will definitely not miss your useless contributions and grandma posts about safe nanny driving.
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07-24-2017, 09:16 PM
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You dont see this kind of nonsense on any other forum and I've been a member of quite a few.
I think deep down there are a few (definitely not all) people who really resent average people being able to afford c63's now. Its like "Muffy did you see what they post on the forum today.. all these common people buying up all our Mercedes and putting powerstop brakes on them.. what ever is this world coming too".
I'm glad you were able to find a set let us (or me) know what you think of them once you have them installed. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think deep down there are a few (definitely not all) people who really resent average people being able to afford c63's now. Its like "Muffy did you see what they post on the forum today.. all these common people buying up all our Mercedes and putting powerstop brakes on them.. what ever is this world coming too".
I'm glad you were able to find a set let us (or me) know what you think of them once you have them installed. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
07-24-2017, 09:29 PM
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