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The c63? The clk550 cab? The 750li? The LS430? Or my poor old beater m3?
I have 1 car that's worth more than those 5 combined. And that's just 1 of them. The last thing you should do is go on a car forum and compare cars to people you don't know. It's childish and you will get humbled quite quickly. You don't know who has what. And from the way you talk, those are probably your dads cars. I mean who would brag about a LS430 or a clk NON amg? You couldn't trade them in on a new Hyundai.
I have 1 car that's worth more than those 5 combined. And that's just 1 of them. The last thing you should do is go on a car forum and compare cars to people you don't know. It's childish and you will get humbled quite quickly. You don't know who has what. And from the way you talk, those are probably your dads cars. I mean who would brag about a LS430 or a clk NON amg? You couldn't trade them in on a new Hyundai.
Thats nice to know. Enjoy your depreciation then. I never thought I would have an argument with a middle aged millennial. Didn't know they existed. Anyways. Eat a dik MasPuto. We'll resume tommorow.
I don't log on for two days and I see 152 posts in a single thread If only this much effort was spent in a more positive way, we'd all have faster cars.
Anyway, look i'm going to put this thread to rest. I don't mean any disrespect to UPD and I have lot's of respect and admiration for Shardul as he has always advised and helped me in the past, so what I'm about to say is nothing personal, it's simply fact.
These spacers not only don't make ANY power. They actually REDUCE power. They consistently reduce air ingestion by ~10g/s at peak airflow. However I feel this is down to the way in which the spacers don't allow the upper airbox case to seat nicely onto the Y-pipe because it's all a bit too stretched and tight, reducing the airflow through the neck. I did also try to run the airbox 'loose' and not pressed into the brackets on the valve covers (to alleviate the stretch on the Y-pipe) and still no bueno. On the basis that I'm sure you have the same amount of stretch on the Y-pipe, it's just not possible to make more power. Those Y-pipes are the bottleneck in the intake on the stock system and fitting these spacers only makes them more of a restriction.
SactownP31, with all respect sir, you're probably enjoying the slightly improved throttle response of having 1) a clean filter and 2) a better-flowing filter. I felt the same thing when I had it installed, but then I also did say that this might well have been the reason also. While I am all for trying new things and going against the norm (I practice what I preach here), I really think it's best to stop arguing the point about the spacers. Now if yourself, BLK and Maz want to continue being mean to each other for personal reasons, then fair play. But honestly...seriously, take it from somebody who has tried more than a thing or two on this platform N/A...the spacers do not work.
If anybody wants mine, send me some postage money + maybe a bit of money to eat some chicken n watermelon and you can have them.
I don't log on for two days and I see 152 posts in a single thread If only this much effort was spent in a more positive way, we'd all have faster cars.
Anyway, look i'm going to put this thread to rest. I don't mean any disrespect to UPD and I have lot's of respect and admiration for Shardul as he has always advised and helped me in the past, so what I'm about to say is nothing personal, it's simply fact.
These spacers not only don't make ANY power. They actually REDUCE power. They consistently reduce air ingestion by ~10g/s at peak airflow. However I feel this is down to the way in which the spacers don't allow the upper airbox case to seat nicely onto the Y-pipe because it's all a bit too stretched and tight, reducing the airflow through the neck. I did also try to run the airbox 'loose' and not pressed into the brackets on the valve covers (to alleviate the stretch on the Y-pipe) and still no bueno. On the basis that I'm sure you have the same amount of stretch on the Y-pipe, it's just not possible to make more power. Those Y-pipes are the bottleneck in the intake on the stock system and fitting these spacers only makes them more of a restriction.
SactownP31, with all respect sir, you're probably enjoying the slightly improved throttle response of having 1) a clean filter and 2) a better-flowing filter. I felt the same thing when I had it installed, but then I also did say that this might well have been the reason also. While I am all for trying new things and going against the norm (I practice what I preach here), I really think it's best to stop arguing the point about the spacers. Now if yourself, BLK and Maz want to continue being mean to each other for personal reasons, then fair play. But honestly...seriously, take it from somebody who has tried more than a thing or two on this platform N/A...the spacers do not work.
If anybody wants mine, send me some postage money + maybe a bit of money to eat some chicken n watermelon and you can have them.
my dude!
thank you for chiming in with facts. celiac, a stand up dude who likes to push the platform as much as possible and goes the distance to test and try stuff. i guess at this point i’m beat which is cool since facts were presented not like mazdischarge whom was right but kept saying had no proof or facts being tested himself (my isssue with mazlame and blkbetty)
Someone else whom is very knowledgeable told me these push back on the y pipe which in turn let’s hot air into the back of the manifold right by the IAT sensor and we all know what that does. anyway it was fun. on to the next thread
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
Originally Posted by Infiniti
my dude!
thank you for chiming in with facts. celiac, a stand up dude who likes to push the platform as much as possible and goes the distance to test and try stuff. i guess at this point i’m beat which is cool since facts were presented not like mazdischarge whom was right but kept saying had no proof or facts being tested himself (my isssue with mazlame and blkbetty)
Someone else whom is very knowledgeable told me these push back on the y pipe which in turn let’s hot air into the back of the manifold right by the IAT sensor and we all know what that does. anyway it was fun. on to the next thread
(edited to stay positive and not make fun of people for being dumbasses)
Just wanted to throw this out for ****s and giggles not to offend anyone. But add this plus intake spacer and we can get some good added power. Throttle body spacer is claimed to add 10-20 hp����
Celica. All very true. On all points. It does fit rather tight at the y that's actually the reason I don't feel like doing the back to back. It'll take me too long and dyno guy would probably get inpatient. And if gains are shown people would say bull. Anyways insightful comment from someone who actually has them. Send them to jasonoff, he said he was down to do a test.
<br /><br />how are the outlets "raised a bit"? I'm not following what's being said I don't guess
I think they're referring to the Y as a "pivot point" since the air boxes are being lifted up by the spacer thing. This is adding stress to the Y because it wasn't meant to be tilted/shifted/bent to compensate for the raised air box height... Someone correct me if I'm wrong lol
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
The Y isn’t designed to reach an opening 1/2” higher than expected. I bet you have to really wrestle it in place, and that deforms the flexible parts enough to cause more restriction post-MAF. They barely reach the box completely as-is (the lower center portion of the rubber coupler in particular, I’d be surprised if it didn’t leak like a sieve).
The Y isn’t designed to reach an opening 1/2” higher than expected. I bet you have to really wrestle it in place, and that deforms the flexible parts enough to cause more restriction post-MAF. They barely reach the box completely as-is (the lower center portion of the rubber coupler in particular, I’d be surprised if it didn’t leak like a sieve).
That's the reason I wanted another 2 c63s to do the test. I struggled with the instalation initially. The y was very hard to get in with spacers attached but I did and both clips clicked into place so no air leaks.
Glad the thread ended with a good vibe. Hope it stays this way when I do the underdrive pulley review. Yes I will dyno my car with current mods, v6+row+caik(magic spacers). Then with ud crank pulley. Hope it doesn't turn into a shytshow. I'll see you homos...apiens in about 3 weeks.
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Ok everyone for a while I've read, researched and got a lot of good info from this site but today I feel it's my turn to contribute. After getting accustomed to the power my lightly moded (v6 ec, row, afe) 13 p31 was putting down, I wanted to venture out and try out a couple of relatively inexpensive mods. What came to mind were ap underdrive pulley and then I saw the UPD " Air Induction Kit". When I saw it, I was like WTF is this. Red 1/3 inch spacers that will provide 20 whp, GTFOH. So for ****s and giggles decided to look for reviews on these threads. Mixed reviews, or should I say opinions because those who installed them loved them and the usual suspects were skeptical. So I contacted shardul over thanksgiving week and ended up picking up upd aik and upd under drive pulley at some great prices. I told him I wanted to either confirm what the reviewers said or double down on what the skeptics said. And he accepted the challenge. Got them 1 week later and installed 3 days ago. Upon starting it up, it was immediately apparent the engine is getting more air. Light throttle taps that usually got up to 2400 rpm where now at 4500. Put in reverse, car moved faster on idle reverse. Then came the fun part. Got on gas and car started to jump and skip. Broke traction every time 1-2 gear at wot. The added power and torque was undeniably there. Better throttle response and felt like forced induction on a much, much, much, much, much smaller scale. Think non performance cars with turbos (ecoboost ect). Only this is instant, with no lag. Car is a hell of a lot more responsive and fun to drive. Dyno are on the way, but there are already 2 or 3 available with back to back before and after results. This kit changes the way the air flows through the bottom box and up the filter. There IS a blockage and pics bellow will show. The purpose of this was to show my results, not he say she say. I have no doubt this car picked up those stated hp numbers. The jump in "felt" performance was almost as noticeble as going from p31+rows+afe to that plus v6 tune. There will always be skeptics, my wife said, "you paid how much for 2 red metal things, green filters and screws? You got scammed." Until she rode with me the next day, "what the hell, did those little red things give it this much power, the car is jumping". Answer was a short and simple Yes! I still can't believe it myself. So in my personal opinion, this the best mod available for the m156 post tune. Thanks for your time.
im getting mine today, doing th charcoal delete and the spacers, have K and N air filters and just got the tune yesterday. The tune is just unreal, with my plans on charcoal delete and the spacers I’m expecting some power, weather noticable or not I know throttle response and I’m sure a slight difference in sound is what I’ll get most from it and that’s what I want. So I’ll keep you posted on my results and my opinion. And guys, they are $180 bucks, the cost of an oil change so worth it, I’d say yes but I’ll confirm after I put them on and slide my favorite turn in second, usually I can nail it just me in the car, I love in Colorado so a mile high, but having two people in the car the turn isn’t so seamless sideways in second. SO. Fk a dyno, if I can slide this turn in second after the charcoal delete and the spacers then proof in the pudding. Weather is exactly what it is today as it was yesterday and exact same turn and same people in the car so this is a real enough test for me.
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
That sounds very scientific. I’m sure your car is going to be practically uncontrollable after installing these, be careful with all that new horsepower. Think of the children!
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I assume you posted in this thread so you must have read it all thoroughly but then can't understand if you read the entire thread what compelled you to part with your $180, you should have gotten an oil change, it would have added more performance to your car.
Yes I agree dynos don’t work what works is taking a random corner and seeing if it will spin or not that’s the true test of how much power you have added. Be careful that extra couple mms in the intake is going to add so much power you have no idea. It’s basically a stage 3 now way more torque than a supercharger too
12-06-2017, 02:13 AM
If only this much effort was spent in a more positive way, we'd all have faster cars.
