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I just had interesting conversation with VRP speed, who sells the ROW boxes, and the inserts, which would have replaced the sales of ROW boxes. They told me, they just completed, in the last 2 weeks, multiple dyno runs with stock boxes, ROW boxes and inserts and that there was ZERO perceptible difference/ gains on the dyno.
They actually asked if I would cancel my order, and they refunded me stating there was no reason to purchase. I was impressed with the candid honesty.
With that, they as a company are discontinuing all sales of ROW boxes/inserts etc since there is no benefit.
What DID make a difference they stated, was the spacer kit.
Figured this may be some useful info to pass on
What DID make a difference they stated, was the spacer kit.
Figured this may be some useful info to pass on
Paul
The magic spacers as seen here? https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...e-spacers.html
Now you're just opening old wounds. May god have mercy on your soul. Maybe, just maybe they will provide their data??
Paging Sactown, Maz, and BlkRockt...
What DID make a difference they stated, was the spacer kit.
Figured this may be some useful info to pass on
Paul
Your useless post have zero added value, you're just repeating what VRP told you with zero verifiable proof. If you believe that spacer nonsense, I have some magical 50 whp M POWER stickers to sell you. If you would have search the forum, this has been debated to death.
Looking at UPD's website, the spacers seem like a good deal after I found the price on their supercharger kit.
Wtf. 79k? Did they just insert magical spacers and then shift the decimal point over to the right??? I can see why VRP doesnt want to sell low margin ROW box covers, when they can sell over priced $1 plastic spacers for $450. Lol
Wtf. 79k? Did they just insert magical spacers and then shift the decimal point over to the right??? I can see why VRP doesnt want to sell low margin ROW box covers, when they can sell over priced $1 plastic spacers for $450. Lol
Except their spacers are $150. If there is proof of gains, it’s a way better deal than the row.
Cyra there are no wounds to speak of. Im still enjoying those magic spacers as well as the magic pulley. They are made of aluminum not plastic. That dumb shyt jerkinoff did is not the same. The spacer eases up flow and also the green filter supplied is bigger. My nearly new afe would fall in, it was smaller. As for dynos results, they were provided on the first thread and people call bs. Problem is people call for dynos, dynos are provide and then the skeptics wont accept the results. Shyt there was just a dyno provided for the mbh vs benzworks with same mods showing benzworks headers gave better results thru 95% or rev band. It didn't fit the common narrative and both the results and tuner were attacked. Just keep this in mind, everyone who has them(UPD CAI), says they work. Everyone who says they're BS has absolutely NO experience with them.
12 C63BS Magno Alanite Grey, 25 X5 Msport, 08 BMW E93, Ducati Hyper 698
Originally Posted by nardobenz
Except their spacers are $150. If there is proof of gains, it’s a way better deal than the row.
I don't disagree if they work and there is proof as I didn't find any benefit to row and had crazy fuel trims as a result. I can't find where they are $150 though, website says $450
I have done my own testing and sold my row boxes recently. I'm using my old boxes with the charcoal filter out and carefully cut the plastic that holds them out.
I also made my own spacer with an old filter and cut the rubber off them and used that as a spacer.my fuel trims are almost zero now and dont fluctuate like the rows do.
Here is a log of my air flow using stock boxes 425gs/sec at 7k
Your useless post have zero added value, you're just repeating what VRP told you with zero verifiable proof. If you believe that spacer nonsense, I have some magical 50 whp M POWER stickers to sell you. If you would have search the forum, this has been debated to death.
Not sure why there is any sense of anger or whatever, this is simply{my first post under this forum} passing on info from a conversation I had. I thought it was very transparent of them to inform me there was no benefit to ROW boxes, and they we not trying to sell me spacers. I have no idea about claimed power gains, and never mentioned it in my post. I've never even heard of the spacers until I spoke to them, and Im not debating anything and don't plan on purchasing them either. Relax, have a drink.
Not sure why there is any sense of anger or whatever, this is simply{my first post under this forum} passing on info from a conversation I had. I thought it was very transparent of them to inform me there was no benefit to ROW boxes, and they we not trying to sell me spacers. I have no idea about claimed power gains, and never mentioned it in my post. I've never even heard of the spacers until I spoke to them, and Im not debating anything and don't plan on purchasing them either. Relax, have a drink.
Don't worry about it man, some people just take this **** too seriously. That guy is obviously one of them. Internet forums would be so much more enjoyable if people would just talk to each other the way they do face to face.
And if you want to try the spacers don't drop $450 or even $150 on them. You can make them yourself easily for less than $10 in parts from the hardware store. PM if you want details.
12 C63BS Magno Alanite Grey, 25 X5 Msport, 08 BMW E93, Ducati Hyper 698
Ya do what you want it's your car mod it how you want and if it works for you so be it - I had terrible fuel trims with ROW airboxes so I don't run them, others swear by them. Spacers may or may not make a difference, anyone is free to prove they do or don't - seems it can't hurt anything as all you are doing is moving the filter up a little maybe helping with a restriction in the intake.
The difference in both spacers is design. The one for a $150 is smaller just by looking at pic. The upd enlarges the opening for the filter and the filter itself. The afe will not fit, it will simply fall in. I got mine at a great price that is why I praise them so much. It would be hard for me to stomach $450, to be honest. But those for a buck fifty definitely have the better price point appeal. Someone should buy em and review them, after all its only one fifty. But beware if you have possitive experience with them you will probably catch a ton of shyt as I did.
Don't worry about it man, some people just take this **** too seriously. That guy is obviously one of them. Internet forums would be so much more enjoyable if people would just talk to each other the way they do face to face.
And if you want to try the spacers don't drop $450 or even $150 on them. You can make them yourself easily for less than $10 in parts from the hardware store. PM if you want details.
I just had interesting conversation with VRP speed, who sells the ROW boxes, and the inserts, which would have replaced the sales of ROW boxes. They told me, they just completed, in the last 2 weeks, multiple dyno runs with stock boxes, ROW boxes and inserts and that there was ZERO perceptible difference/ gains on the dyno.
They actually asked if I would cancel my order, and they refunded me stating there was no reason to purchase. I was impressed with the candid honesty.
With that, they as a company are discontinuing all sales of ROW boxes/inserts etc since there is no benefit.
What DID make a difference they stated, was the spacer kit.
Figured this may be some useful info to pass on
Paul
I came here just to applaud this. Keep it on, guys.
I have done my own testing and sold my row boxes recently. I'm using my old boxes with the charcoal filter out and carefully cut the plastic that holds them out.
I also made my own spacer with an old filter and cut the rubber off them and used that as a spacer.my fuel trims are almost zero now and dont fluctuate like the rows do.
Here is a log of my air flow using stock boxes 425gs/sec at 7k
I have another somewhere with 430 at 7400 rpms
would that work also by taking that charcoal filter out and cutting out the plastic? I think paying 500 for some plastic is insane
Don´t blame the ROW for bad fueltrims.
The map must be corrected properly, as for example I live in ROW(rest of world) and got almost zero trim all over.
And, if having a big value of fueltrim might actually be good sometimes.
Engine is pumping more air than the map is calculated to do and thereby produces MORE power.
Having big value on MAF some day after tuning says nothing if the fueltrim still is zero.
If being able to burn more fuel correctly, engine is producing more power.
And primary o2 sensors on our cars is widebandsensors, and by that they are NOT overlooked by ECY anywhere in the map.
ECU is reading them througout whole engine's register and calculating fueltrim.
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