NIGHTMARE Certified C63 not passing SMOG!
02-01-2019, 09:42 PM
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NIGHTMARE Certified C63 not passing SMOG!
So purchased a 2014 C63 from Illinois. Had it delivered, took about 5 days. Go to get it smogged...and the 02 sensor, o2 heater are not ready.
Drove it for about 100 miles, come back and same issue. This time it reads that there is a misfire on half the cylinders. However it runs fine and no lights on dash. Take it to another smog place, tells me to drive it on the freeway 55mph for about 10 miles. Do the whole cycle for about 30 miles and still says not ready. The smog guy checked and says the sensors are "Not available" meaning "they are disabled and you should go to the dealership"
Take it to the dealer, speak with the service manager, he said he'll take care of me. Day passes, no one calls me so I go in person. They tell me theres nothing wrong with the car, I just need to drive it more. I even told them that the sensors might be disabled. He said they werent and its just that I have to drive it more.
Think they would've come across that if they were disabled? Or is he blowing smoke up my a**? Really frustrating.
Also...if there is a tune on the vehicle, would they have detected it??
Drove it for about 100 miles, come back and same issue. This time it reads that there is a misfire on half the cylinders. However it runs fine and no lights on dash. Take it to another smog place, tells me to drive it on the freeway 55mph for about 10 miles. Do the whole cycle for about 30 miles and still says not ready. The smog guy checked and says the sensors are "Not available" meaning "they are disabled and you should go to the dealership"
Take it to the dealer, speak with the service manager, he said he'll take care of me. Day passes, no one calls me so I go in person. They tell me theres nothing wrong with the car, I just need to drive it more. I even told them that the sensors might be disabled. He said they werent and its just that I have to drive it more.
Think they would've come across that if they were disabled? Or is he blowing smoke up my a**? Really frustrating.
Also...if there is a tune on the vehicle, would they have detected it??
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02-01-2019, 10:04 PM
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Ya sounds like a tune with o2s turned off which also turns off heaters, get dealer to flash Ecuador to stock.
02-02-2019, 12:55 AM
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Ya sounds like a tune with o2s turned off which also turns off heaters, get dealer to flash Ecuador to stock.
02-02-2019, 03:19 AM
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I even mentioned that to the dealer that it could be a tune but they sort of brushed it off. The service manager says "just keep driving, I had a customer once they had to drive over 650 miles in order for the system to be ready"...
Would appreciate some guidance here. Should I call him back and tell I've done my research and it seems like the car has a tune? Or go to a different dealership and mention I just bought it from out of state and its not passing smog?
Would appreciate some guidance here. Should I call him back and tell I've done my research and it seems like the car has a tune? Or go to a different dealership and mention I just bought it from out of state and its not passing smog?
02-02-2019, 03:53 AM
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just tell them to flash the latest ecu firmware update for your vehicle. you may still need to drive a bit for system ready but nowhere near 650 miles. i want some of what he's tokin' on
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02-03-2019, 08:10 PM
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This - 650 is crazy, you can do a drive cycle in about 20 miles max and get readiness - I used to do about a 40 minute loop after I flashed back to stock and it would be good to go. Otherwise a few days of regular driving.
02-03-2019, 08:40 PM
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Had a truck once that after I replace the battery, the computers wouldn't let truck smog. After about 1 month and 350 miles of driving, the smog machine finally communicated with trucks computer. Maybe just drive more, but shouldn't the dealer smog the car before sale? That's the law in CA
02-04-2019, 12:14 AM
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I have hired an attorney and will be returning the car back. The car is certified and shouldn't have passed certification if it had an aftermarket tune. Really disappointed
02-04-2019, 07:40 AM
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If this was a NIGHTMARE, I'm curious how you would handle a real problem.
Why not keep the car, have them reload OEM, then milk them as much as possible for the certification blunder?
Why not keep the car, have them reload OEM, then milk them as much as possible for the certification blunder?
02-04-2019, 08:34 AM
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Whats the issue? I don’t have time to waste going back and forth to the dealership over nonsense.
Also, passing smog is not a real problem? Cuz that’s somewhat important right?
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02-04-2019, 09:40 AM
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Instead of enjoying your new car, you have to deal with a scumbag dealer unloading a bad car on you...I've been there. Maybe car is fixable, but not worthy of it's CPO status. Believe your going about it the right way. Only thing I would add is try to escalate to Mercedes Benz the company. They didn't do the CPO inspection, but it's their program and dealer had to make sure it met all the requirements. Obviously the dealer had their own standards. Seems like you have a strong case and hope everything goes your way.
02-04-2019, 09:45 AM
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Instead of enjoying your new car, you have to deal with a scumbag dealer unloading a bad car on you...I've been there. Maybe car is fixable, but not worthy of it's CPO status. Believe your going about it the right way. Only thing I would add is try to escalate to Mercedes Benz the company. They didn't do the CPO inspection, but it's their program and dealer had to make sure it met all the requirements. Obviously the dealer had their own standards. Seems like you have a strong case and hope everything goes your way.
02-04-2019, 09:51 AM
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it’s not just one issue. 1) car smells like previous owner was a heavy smoker 2) there was an undisclosed collision to the rear bumper with a horrible paint job 3) dealer told me it was push to start, yet it didn’t come with a button 4) not passing emissions.
Whats the issue? I don’t have time to waste going back and forth to the dealership over nonsense.
Also, passing smog is not a real problem? Cuz that’s somewhat important right?
02-04-2019, 10:21 AM
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02-05-2019, 02:10 AM
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5 min fix? Wish it was.
The dealer took one whole day, including 60 miles of driving my car to tell me "keep driving it, it'll be ready eventually". I should not be dealing with this. It's a certified car. Should not come with any aftermarket tune. Its a nightmare because I was planning on taking it to AAA to get it registered and get my plate but all that is delayed.
02-05-2019, 05:38 AM
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Why wouldn’t you want an aftermarket tune????
The other problems you mentioned I completely understand you being pissed off about it but the smoke smell I would’ve thought you would’ve noticed on your first test drive.
What the hell is “smog test”??? Is this some sort of California thing?
The other problems you mentioned I completely understand you being pissed off about it but the smoke smell I would’ve thought you would’ve noticed on your first test drive.
What the hell is “smog test”??? Is this some sort of California thing?
02-05-2019, 10:59 AM
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you bought this car from a a Mercedes dealer? where are you located? almost no Mercedes dealer will sell a car that will not pass smog. they'll have to revert it back to stock or auction the car off. nobody will buy it. additionally it is their responsibility LEGALLY to smog the car for you (or reimburse you in promise it will pass) in California.
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/de...vr_info#BM2520
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/de...vr_info#BM2520
Requirements after selling a vehicle
When selling a California registered vehicle, the registered owner of record must:
When selling a California registered vehicle, the registered owner of record must:
- Release ownership by signing on line one of the title.
If the vehicle is, or was financed, the lienholder's name appears in the legal owner section and their release with counter signature is required on line two. - Provide the purchaser with evidence of a valid smog certification, if applicable.
Smog certificates are good for 90 days from the date of inspection. The smog certification is not required if the owner or buyer signs a statement that smog certification was submitted with renewal fees within 90 days prior to the transfer date (a vehicle inspection report may be required for proof of certification).
Recent legislation changed the requirements for vehicle transfers occurring on or after January 1, 2005. When you transfer a vehicle that is four or less model years old a smog certification will not be required. The four or less model years old rule does not apply to diesel powered vehicles. A smog transfer fee will be collected from the new owner. When a vehicle is more than four model years old, evidence of a current smog certification must be provided by a seller except when the following occurs:- The transfer occurs between a spouse, domestic partner, sibling, child, parent, grandparent, or grandchild.
- A biennial smog certification was submitted to DMV within 90 days prior to the vehicle transfer date (a vehicle inspection report may be required for proof of certification).
- Provide the odometer mileage if the vehicle is less than 10 years old (Vehicle/Vessel Transfer and Reassignment Form, REG 262). If the title does not have a designated space for this information, a REG 262 reporting the odometer mileage must be signed by both the seller and buyer. The REG 262 cannot be copied. An original must be submitted. To obtain a form by mail, call DMV's automated phone service 24 hours a day, 7 days a week at 1–800–777–0133. To speak to an operator call between the hours of 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. Monday – Friday, Pacific Standard Time, or pick one up from your local DMV.
- Protect Your Liability. Complete a Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability. The seller is responsible for reporting the change of ownership to DMV within 5 days from the date of sale. After DMV updates the information from the Notice of Transfer and Release of Liability, you will be cleared from future liability on the vehicle. The purchaser is responsible for reporting the change of ownership to DMV within 10 days from the date of purchase.
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02-05-2019, 12:32 PM
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Agree with Hachiroku, even though it was a out of state sale, the dealer is still responsible for the smog. You have to do the smog, but they are responsible. Confirm car has a tune, if not it's possible you need to drive more. Get a temporary registration from DMV or AAA, drive for a while till computer resets and turn on for the smog. If car has tune, then you'll have to go the legal route if dealer is not going to make it right. From what your telling us, the laws are on your side so don't stress about it. Headache for sure but rest assured your going come out on top.
02-05-2019, 12:51 PM
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yeah, OP, that situations sucks. with a CPO car, you would expect to not need a PPI (I know I wouldn't and didn't get one with my CPO), but now I think people will think about getting a third part PPI if they are out of state. Which dealer did you buy from so we know.
