PRE-FL Dash cluster retrofit
04-22-2019, 07:05 PM
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PRE-FL Dash cluster retrofit
Hi All,
Just saw this on the CKM website: Facelift COLOR AMG 63 speedometer
Just wondering if anyone has done it for the C63, and if it was easy enough to do? I did a search and found some old threads of people wanting to do it, but couldnt see anyone that had done it on a C63.
Was it easy?
Did it need coding?
Any modification to the dash/cluster?
Any error codes?
Look forward to hearing from ya!
Just saw this on the CKM website: Facelift COLOR AMG 63 speedometer
Just wondering if anyone has done it for the C63, and if it was easy enough to do? I did a search and found some old threads of people wanting to do it, but couldnt see anyone that had done it on a C63.
Was it easy?
Did it need coding?
Any modification to the dash/cluster?
Any error codes?
Look forward to hearing from ya!
04-22-2019, 08:56 PM
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As far as cluster swap goes,
Remove steering wheel (ideally have it set to lowest position)
Cover steering column with a rag or something
Remove trim around cluster
Remove a couple screws
Lean cluster in, unplug, and redo the rest in reverse
Remove steering wheel (ideally have it set to lowest position)
Cover steering column with a rag or something
Remove trim around cluster
Remove a couple screws
Lean cluster in, unplug, and redo the rest in reverse
12-11-2023, 05:07 AM
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Anymore info on this?
hate to be a thread zombie but this is the only topic that comes up in search as to fitting a face lift cluster to a pre facelift model.
Surely this is a done topic by now with a go to tutorial?
Uf this was a Audi or Volkswagen there be hundreds of threads on this topic
hate to be a thread zombie but this is the only topic that comes up in search as to fitting a face lift cluster to a pre facelift model.
Surely this is a done topic by now with a go to tutorial?
Uf this was a Audi or Volkswagen there be hundreds of threads on this topic
12-11-2023, 03:23 PM
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Anymore info on this?
hate to be a thread zombie but this is the only topic that comes up in search as to fitting a face lift cluster to a pre facelift model.
Surely this is a done topic by now with a go to tutorial?
Uf this was a Audi or Volkswagen there be hundreds of threads on this topic
hate to be a thread zombie but this is the only topic that comes up in search as to fitting a face lift cluster to a pre facelift model.
Surely this is a done topic by now with a go to tutorial?
Uf this was a Audi or Volkswagen there be hundreds of threads on this topic
Plug back in and play. Its just about a week turn around & you cant drive the car in that week otherwise mileage is out, and car will throw a code.
12-11-2023, 05:09 PM
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why would they need the old cluster for ?
12-11-2023, 05:18 PM
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Because the clusters are coded to the ECM of the car. If the codes don't match (which they wont as CKM sells NEW clusters) you will get an error saying mileage is out and the new cluster wont work.
So you send your old cluster to CKM, he pulls the codes off it, and then writes them to the new on you ordered, matches it to your car, so there are no errors.
So you send your old cluster to CKM, he pulls the codes off it, and then writes them to the new on you ordered, matches it to your car, so there are no errors.
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12-11-2023, 08:10 PM
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Because the clusters are coded to the ECM of the car. If the codes don't match (which they wont as CKM sells NEW clusters) you will get an error saying mileage is out and the new cluster wont work.
So you send your old cluster to CKM, he pulls the codes off it, and then writes them to the new on you ordered, matches it to your car, so there are no errors.
So you send your old cluster to CKM, he pulls the codes off it, and then writes them to the new on you ordered, matches it to your car, so there are no errors.
Does anyone know how to code Mercedes?
I’m familiar to Audis and VW.
I’m just not sure what software to use?
But happy to learn coding process
12-11-2023, 10:14 PM
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I was looking at doing it, but the software (i cant remember what its called now) at the time was almost $2k USD to buy. For something like that - I wasn't prepared to use pirated versions, because if you trigger the mileage tamper trigger by doing it incorrectly, your in deep poo...
12-12-2023, 02:25 PM
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Because the clusters are coded to the ECM of the car. If the codes don't match (which they wont as CKM sells NEW clusters) you will get an error saying mileage is out and the new cluster wont work.
So you send your old cluster to CKM, he pulls the codes off it, and then writes them to the new on you ordered, matches it to your car, so there are no errors.
So you send your old cluster to CKM, he pulls the codes off it, and then writes them to the new on you ordered, matches it to your car, so there are no errors.
if I was to buy a new cluster, there is no need for any coding provided if I’m fine with having the odometer set to zero ?
and there is no need to code my key fob ?
12-12-2023, 05:51 PM
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If you were to buy a BRAND NEW new cluster, and install it without coding, it will light up like an Xmas tree & disable your car from starting - this is because the mileage on the cluster wont match the mileage in the cars ECU/ECM (which cannot be changed by anyone inclusive of the dealer). It will also trigger the "Mileage Tamper light" which will cause a lot of problems that ONLY the dealer (whom will be the only that can remove it) will charge big $ to fix & you will need to supply proof of mileage as well. In addition, in some states, messing with the mileage can be a Felony, as you may be winding it back to sell the car for more $ which is fraud.
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You can buy BRAND NEW and try coding it yourself with the software from Merc - as stated below, last time I checked it was over 2k USD to buy. And if you make a mistake, the same thing as I mentioned above will happen.
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Take out your old cluster, send it to CKM and he codes it for you, and you just plug it back in, and drive it away. Remember, car CAN NOT be started or driven until new cluster arrives, and you plug it back in.
Your key fob will be fine, its NOT coded to the cluster. Its coded to the cars ECU/ECM.
Hope that clears things up.
12-12-2023, 08:20 PM
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No not correct.
If you were to buy a BRAND NEW new cluster, and install it without coding, it will light up like an Xmas tree & disable your car from starting - this is because the mileage on the cluster wont match the mileage in the cars ECU/ECM (which cannot be changed by anyone inclusive of the dealer). It will also trigger the "Mileage Tamper light" which will cause a lot of problems that ONLY the dealer (whom will be the only that can remove it) will charge big $ to fix & you will need to supply proof of mileage as well. In addition, in some states, messing with the mileage can be a Felony, as you may be winding it back to sell the car for more $ which is fraud.
OR
You can buy BRAND NEW and try coding it yourself with the software from Merc - as stated below, last time I checked it was over 2k USD to buy. And if you make a mistake, the same thing as I mentioned above will happen.
OR
Take out your old cluster, send it to CKM and he codes it for you, and you just plug it back in, and drive it away. Remember, car CAN NOT be started or driven until new cluster arrives, and you plug it back in.
Your key fob will be fine, its NOT coded to the cluster. Its coded to the cars ECU/ECM.
Hope that clears things up.
If you were to buy a BRAND NEW new cluster, and install it without coding, it will light up like an Xmas tree & disable your car from starting - this is because the mileage on the cluster wont match the mileage in the cars ECU/ECM (which cannot be changed by anyone inclusive of the dealer). It will also trigger the "Mileage Tamper light" which will cause a lot of problems that ONLY the dealer (whom will be the only that can remove it) will charge big $ to fix & you will need to supply proof of mileage as well. In addition, in some states, messing with the mileage can be a Felony, as you may be winding it back to sell the car for more $ which is fraud.
OR
You can buy BRAND NEW and try coding it yourself with the software from Merc - as stated below, last time I checked it was over 2k USD to buy. And if you make a mistake, the same thing as I mentioned above will happen.
OR
Take out your old cluster, send it to CKM and he codes it for you, and you just plug it back in, and drive it away. Remember, car CAN NOT be started or driven until new cluster arrives, and you plug it back in.
Your key fob will be fine, its NOT coded to the cluster. Its coded to the cars ECU/ECM.
Hope that clears things up.
I’m actually surprised there isn’t already a write up on how to do this.
I’m willing to learn the process being that I’m in Australia and I find there is a lack of DIY’s in the Mercedes groups here.
I’m not too keen to send my cluster over seas but if this is the only option then I guess it sucks.
I would much rather do it my self and make a sticky how to.
If I was to have a crack at it, what software would I need ?
12-12-2023, 10:14 PM
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good info man thanks.
I’m actually surprised there isn’t already a write up on how to do this.
I’m willing to learn the process being that I’m in Australia and I find there is a lack of DIY’s in the Mercedes groups here.
I’m not too keen to send my cluster over seas but if this is the only option then I guess it sucks.
I would much rather do it my self and make a sticky how to.
If I was to have a crack at it, what software would I need ?
I’m actually surprised there isn’t already a write up on how to do this.
I’m willing to learn the process being that I’m in Australia and I find there is a lack of DIY’s in the Mercedes groups here.
I’m not too keen to send my cluster over seas but if this is the only option then I guess it sucks.
I would much rather do it my self and make a sticky how to.
If I was to have a crack at it, what software would I need ?
I sent mine - and had it coded, I had it back in 10days IIRC, process was easy. And its literally 1 plug.
Honestly, I dont remember what it was called - im sure if you do a search you could find it. You needed a certain programming laptop that has the software pre-installed on it. At the time I wasn't prepared to spend 2k USD on it to do 1 thing, so I didn't bother. Maybe if you ask CKM he may sell it to you. But for $800aus for the cluster, i dont see why u would want to pay more - but thats me!
12-13-2023, 02:25 PM
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No worries, im Aus too!
I sent mine - and had it coded, I had it back in 10days IIRC, process was easy. And its literally 1 plug.
Honestly, I dont remember what it was called - im sure if you do a search you could find it. You needed a certain programming laptop that has the software pre-installed on it. At the time I wasn't prepared to spend 2k USD on it to do 1 thing, so I didn't bother. Maybe if you ask CKM he may sell it to you. But for $800aus for the cluster, i dont see why u would want to pay more - but thats me!
I sent mine - and had it coded, I had it back in 10days IIRC, process was easy. And its literally 1 plug.
Honestly, I dont remember what it was called - im sure if you do a search you could find it. You needed a certain programming laptop that has the software pre-installed on it. At the time I wasn't prepared to spend 2k USD on it to do 1 thing, so I didn't bother. Maybe if you ask CKM he may sell it to you. But for $800aus for the cluster, i dont see why u would want to pay more - but thats me!
finding it very hard for anyone in Australia with advance knowledge on the w204
Iv really only owned Audis in the past so I’m lost with this Mercedes tech.
12-14-2023, 11:18 AM
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I Did mine., Cost $300 for cluster and 150 for coding here in Toronto.
12-15-2023, 12:20 AM
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