Billet Camshaft PTG
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Well i was planning on just upgrading the cam adjuster, changing the pulleys to aluminium ones from weistec and installing a catchcan.
I have since ordered new injectors, and i am tossing up replacing my lifters with updated ones from the sls/sls bs. I am hesitant to pull the trigger on this till I can find a good solution for the camshafts, as i figured I may as well replace those at the same time while the engine is open. Probably a good idea to do the headbolts as well
I have since ordered new injectors, and i am tossing up replacing my lifters with updated ones from the sls/sls bs. I am hesitant to pull the trigger on this till I can find a good solution for the camshafts, as i figured I may as well replace those at the same time while the engine is open. Probably a good idea to do the headbolts as well
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Plenty to do, but why the head bolts if you already have the new version? If not then probably the way to go
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Anyone have more info on Tasos' cams?
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Hello there, we are running them on a couple of test cars, here in UAE, Europe and Asia. Very soon we will release them and the prices that have been discussed before will be also changed since we got a lot of inquiry and that helps to manufacture higher numbers and make things more affordable for all of us.
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Hello there, we are running them on a couple of test cars, here in UAE, Europe and Asia. Very soon we will release them and the prices that have been discussed before will be also changed since we got a lot of inquiry and that helps to manufacture higher numbers and make things more affordable for all of us.
If you happen to talk with Tasos, I’m still looking for a bunch of worn out camshaft adjusters.
#33
Has anyone made a cam that makes a power peak of 8000-9000 RPM? For someone wanting to make over 700HP N/A?
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I doubt it. Aftermarket cam options for these cars is very limited, and the people who do make them charge north of $6000 for anything that isn’t a regrind.
Even then, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone with an ECU file that would be able to take advantage of it, unless you paid for dyno time and someone with the ability to adjust parameters on scene.
Even then, you’d be hard pressed to find anyone with an ECU file that would be able to take advantage of it, unless you paid for dyno time and someone with the ability to adjust parameters on scene.
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Sls bs cams should make close to 700 with supporting mods and a proper tune. Like mentioned about it’s the tuning that’s the tricky part on these motors when you get into cam swaps
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supposedly Kleeman Cams are rebranded SLS or SLS BS cams.
you'll need to optimize cam timing to utilize the potential of these camshafts. with that in mind, you'll probably lose low and mid range as these cams are most likely larger. for the cost, best to pickup something aftermarket.
you'll need to optimize cam timing to utilize the potential of these camshafts. with that in mind, you'll probably lose low and mid range as these cams are most likely larger. for the cost, best to pickup something aftermarket.
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supposedly Kleeman Cams are rebranded SLS or SLS BS cams.
you'll need to optimize cam timing to utilize the potential of these camshafts. with that in mind, you'll probably lose low and mid range as these cams are most likely larger. for the cost, best to pickup something aftermarket.
you'll need to optimize cam timing to utilize the potential of these camshafts. with that in mind, you'll probably lose low and mid range as these cams are most likely larger. for the cost, best to pickup something aftermarket.
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The stock C63 intake manifolds was not good for higher RPM. ( I believe it's a limiter at 7500 and beyond )
On guys that swapped on the SLS intakes without any other changes they gained about 30rwhp and the HP peak shifted to the right, and it held onto power much longer ( that intake is literally good to 9000+ RPM out of this displacement )
On guys that swapped on the SLS intakes without any other changes they gained about 30rwhp and the HP peak shifted to the right, and it held onto power much longer ( that intake is literally good to 9000+ RPM out of this displacement )
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In a recent Tasos video he mentioned that one of the restrictions on the C63 as opposed to all the bigger car 63's was that the throttles only open to 70% maximum.
Wondering if you had noticed this in your tuning?
If this is true then companies selling bigger throttles and matching box tunes could be just selling us snake oil.
As mentioned by djr48312 about the SLS intake being better than stock 63 intake maybe this 70% thing has a bit to play also.
Remembering the W211 E63 makes more hp than equivalent C63 using same intake manifold.
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They've known about the 70% throttle thing since about 2009... It's widely known the Mercedes intentionally limited the smaller and lighter C63 so it wouldn't smoke the E63 and S63.
About the SLS intake, if you look at the design it's an intake based upon shorter runner lengths, which are a continuation of the runners in the cyllinder head. So it's good for 9000 RPM operation.
The C63 intake is a longer runner design which slightly increases lower rpm torque with the tradeoff of less RPM.
About the SLS intake, if you look at the design it's an intake based upon shorter runner lengths, which are a continuation of the runners in the cyllinder head. So it's good for 9000 RPM operation.
The C63 intake is a longer runner design which slightly increases lower rpm torque with the tradeoff of less RPM.
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They've known about the 70% throttle thing since about 2009... It's widely known the Mercedes intentionally limited the smaller and lighter C63 so it wouldn't smoke the E63 and S63.
About the SLS intake, if you look at the design it's an intake based upon shorter runner lengths, which are a continuation of the runners in the cyllinder head. So it's good for 9000 RPM operation.
The C63 intake is a longer runner design which slightly increases lower rpm torque with the tradeoff of less RPM.
About the SLS intake, if you look at the design it's an intake based upon shorter runner lengths, which are a continuation of the runners in the cyllinder head. So it's good for 9000 RPM operation.
The C63 intake is a longer runner design which slightly increases lower rpm torque with the tradeoff of less RPM.
Someone on here said a while back that the E63 Y piece feeding the intake was worth HP over the std C63 Y due to its slightly larger volume.
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Old news. That throttle opening 70% kills around 50HP... They did it on purpose. The engine makes 510-520 HP at the engine when it's not artificially liimited and not the original 460 HP as it's rated on the C63's.
All of the custom tuners ECU programs allow for 100% throttle opening to get the full power of the engine.
All of the custom tuners ECU programs allow for 100% throttle opening to get the full power of the engine.
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A question for you Barry.
In a recent Tasos video he mentioned that one of the restrictions on the C63 as opposed to all the bigger car 63's was that the throttles only open to 70% maximum.
Wondering if you had noticed this in your tuning?
If this is true then companies selling bigger throttles and matching box tunes could be just selling us snake oil.
As mentioned by djr48312 about the SLS intake being better than stock 63 intake maybe this 70% thing has a bit to play also.
Remembering the W211 E63 makes more hp than equivalent C63 using same intake manifold.
In a recent Tasos video he mentioned that one of the restrictions on the C63 as opposed to all the bigger car 63's was that the throttles only open to 70% maximum.
Wondering if you had noticed this in your tuning?
If this is true then companies selling bigger throttles and matching box tunes could be just selling us snake oil.
As mentioned by djr48312 about the SLS intake being better than stock 63 intake maybe this 70% thing has a bit to play also.
Remembering the W211 E63 makes more hp than equivalent C63 using same intake manifold.
#47
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So I’ve cracked the cracked lobes issue.. This is after a few attempts. Finally I’ve gotten the camshafts to take a case hardening treatment without hitting the pooper. This case is slick and a diamond file will glance and slide over it and harder to boot.
So definitely nowhere near as heavy as billet and a non-issue with tuning. Should respond very well to higher rev range too because of its properties. A few more things to tinker with but I’d say this is a small win.
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I’ve been mulling things over pretty much ever since I started down the M156 rabbit hole.
If I ever machine anything out of billet for these engines, it’ll be made from 300M. We use it in landing gear and (relatively) low speed transmission components. The stuff is like unobtanium. The stuff is extremely dense.
It will through harden up to 55HRc.
Go Team- gives me an idea. I’ll DM and see what you think.
If I ever machine anything out of billet for these engines, it’ll be made from 300M. We use it in landing gear and (relatively) low speed transmission components. The stuff is like unobtanium. The stuff is extremely dense.
It will through harden up to 55HRc.
Go Team- gives me an idea. I’ll DM and see what you think.