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I finally picked my MBH headers up after being stuffed around by TnT. Seriously, they are the worst courier company on earth. They couldn't couldn't organise a root in a brothel with a fist full of 50's. But i digress.
The box from mbh has "C63 W212 RHD" on a sticker attached to the box. I have emailed mike from MBH asking if these will fit my pre fl W204 C63. I am awaiting a response from him. I have checked all my correspondence with MBH and i have indeed ordered headers for a pre fl RHD C63. So no idea why i have a sticker for a W212(E63)??
I am going to have my headers coated, if they are the correct ones. But i am unsure if I should get them ceramic coated or cerakoted. Is there any appreciable differences between the two types of coatings? Or a reason why one is better vs the other?
Nice pick up on the MBH headers. I just got a set the other day as well and luckily did not have the same experiences with FedEx....
I just dropped mines off at a local powder coating shop to get them ceramic coated in black. Not sure about the difference in price or cost between ceramic and cerakoted.... the shop I dropped em off at quoted roughly $150 per header.
Something to note is that ceramic coating has a 5 day cure time so plan accordingly....
Are you going to end up going with straight or X pipes ?
Nice pick up on the MBH headers. I just got a set the other day as well and luckily did not have the same experiences with FedEx....
I just dropped mines off at a local powder coating shop to get them ceramic coated in black. Not sure about the difference in price or cost between ceramic and cerakoted.... the shop I dropped em off at quoted roughly $150 per header.
Something to note is that ceramic coating has a 5 day cure time so plan accordingly....
Are you going to end up going with straight or X pipes ?
Hey mate,
I haven't thought that far ahead to be honest. I think i may go straight pipe, as ive heard that x pipe may remove the signature AMG growl. Or is that H pipe?
My exhaust at the moment is stock, except for a resonator delete.
Cost's for coatings aren't a huge concern for me, in Perth almost everything is expensive so that's already been factored into the equation.
I had someone sell me his set of MBH headers and Xpipe for $2k out the door, but I likely won't use the Xpipe as I have heard the same thing about it removing some of that AMG bark. But that being said, I have the X and will see how easy it is to get a set of straight tubes. Even with them on, I will likely be more than happy hearing the m156 breathe!
Currently rocking an 09 C63 P30, ROW boxes, AFe Pro S filters, Resonator delete, CF Lip, Spoiler, Diffuser, custom trunk floor, shaved door locks, all lights led and facelift taillights.....I plan on a tune after the headers install, but still undecided between a local custom tune (HD Tunes) or a boxed Eurocharged tune.... After that it will be e85 kit.....
Only had the car since June so I am happy with my progress so far!
How about yourself? Also I am interested in the difference between ceramic and cerakoted and not here to hijack your info search....
I had someone sell me his set of MBH headers and Xpipe for $2k out the door, but I likely won't use the Xpipe as I have heard the same thing about it removing some of that AMG bark. But that being said, I have the X and will see how easy it is to get a set of straight tubes. Even with them on, I will likely be more than happy hearing the m156 breathe!
Currently rocking an 09 C63 P30, ROW boxes, AFe Pro S filters, Resonator delete, CF Lip, Spoiler, Diffuser, custom trunk floor, shaved door locks, all lights led and facelift taillights.....I plan on a tune after the headers install, but still undecided between a local custom tune (HD Tunes) or a boxed Eurocharged tune.... After that it will be e85 kit.....
Only had the car since June so I am happy with my progress so far!
How about yourself? Also I am interested in the difference between ceramic and cerakoted and not here to hijack your info search....
-DD
My set up is a 2011 pre fl, with an Aussie tune, lots of carbon bits from RW Carbon.
I would skip the eurocharged tune all together. I went down that route at the start and very quickly looked for an alternative. Ask barry/hachiroku to sort you out with a tune. Once i sort my current issues out, he will be doing my tuning for me.
Would anyone know which cats are better? Gesi or HJS? I know the Gesi vibrant 7530 has been used before on this platform, but what model HJS is recommended?
Ceramic vs Cerakote... I can only speak in regards to using the Swain Tech Multi-Layer Ceramic Coating in my own comparison. There is also a company in EU that has a similar process, but I'm not aware of any others. Cerakote is done all over the place.
The Cerakote will provide a barrier to oxygen, preventing the base metal from oxidizing. The thermal benefits are marginal at best and not a benefit I would consider as the selling point for a stainless steel part. Cerakote makes a lot more sense on carbon parts that will see elevated temps and environmental exposure.
Swain Tech's Multi-Layer Ceramic Coating is much more expensive, takes a significant amount of time to apply, and provides far more thermal benefit when compared. My own data shows it to be comparable to a high quality wrap as far as insulating properties go. Durability wise, it's far superior to wrap, spills, hitting with a hammer and so on. It does over time discolor, pill, and the outer 'decorative' layer can peel. We have some products with over 10 years of hard abuse on them and the coating looks (when compared to new) terrible, but we see no measurable difference in heat retention. In short, it's not a pretty coating, but is highly functional. We use it a lot, and I don't even get paid for saying that
I've ran the MBH long tubes for 3 years now and absolutely love them. I did go with the X-pipe and their high flow cats too. It obviously changes the tone a bit, maybe a slight less growl and a little more crackle (if that makes any sense) - however I do not find it sounds bad at all and have had lots of compliments. No drone, and not obscenely loud until you are really into it.
My set up was MBH Header, MBH high flow cats and second cat delete with straights. AMAZING! No drone, sounds crazy good with on it. Cold start is the best part, normal when crusing. Good luck with the installed!
@C63Dave , it seems that you're local to me. feel free to give me a holler. you can check out my work and reviews on MBWorld or on instagram at @eightysixtuned if you'd like to chat, feel free to DM me on instagram.
for those of you have early editions of MBH headers, be aware that your primary oxygen sensor placement is less than optimal and when fine tuning, does exhibit false readings.
@hachiroku how do you tell if you have earlier versions of MBH headers? I bought mines used so I am not sure how old they are, but likely at least 3 years old. Is there anything you can do to solve this issue?
in the photo, the o2 placement of the front sensor works fine but isn't ideal. I believe their older headers had that sensor a few inches higher which is not good placement at all. where the second sensor is located is ideal but I don't think you can swap the two locations. the ECU has a code for swapped sensor order...not sure how accurately that triggers though.
aftermarket C63's headers have their secondary sensors in the most odd location. literally before the cats and near the primary.
'04 E55 (Gone but not forgotten), '13 C63 P31 (RIP), another '13 C63 PP
The Swaintech coating has already been reccomend and explained by Vektor above,and I would second of all that. I would also just add that it is a VERY thick coating, you know you are dealing with an extremely high qualuty product designed for the hardest use in the highest performance street and track applications. This this is not some chincey powder coat job from the metal shop up the street, it is a true ceramic coating process. Your headers are actually dipped in to a molten ceramic bath and multiple layers are applied. Great product product without competition, at least in the US.
You sprung the extra coun for MBH headers, don't cheap out on your ceramic coating!
Isn´t it an option from mbh to buy midpipes that connects to rear system without hassle?
From CKS in UK you can get the same headers with good 100cell cats and midpipes that is bolt on, even clears the aluminium rod under the car with ease.
AND!! proper placed o2 bungs.
This almost makes me think mbh is a ripoff from cks.
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@G_Money I know that the Swaintech is the best out there. There is no argument about that, but they are on the East coast and after already paying over $300 to have the headers and x shipped from Florida I wasn't eager to ship them back across the country and shell out. One day I will follow that advice though!
I also don't think the metal shop up the street did a chincey job, they had quoted me higher but hooked it up in the end. Regardless, the end result is different than a full bath process and a lot less money...
The pipes are going to be installed tomorrow morning. Pretty excited to hear and hopefully feel a difference.
Isn´t it an option from mbh to buy midpipes that connects to rear system without hassle?
From CKS in UK you can get the same headers with good 100cell cats and midpipes that is bolt on, even clears the aluminium rod under the car with ease.
AND!! proper placed o2 bungs.
This almost makes me think mbh is a ripoff from cks.
All of our headers are 100% our design and manufactured by us here in the USA. There are imitations out there that can not even come remotely close to the level of quality and craftsmanship we do. There is a reason our stuff is on some of these fastest AMG's out there including dragetime.com record holders and multiple 9 seconds 1/4 mile AMG's.
I have a long history in cartuning and can tell welds from welds, and design from design.
And i can actually NOT see any difference that would make CKS any less quality.
Those VRP headers are a different story thou.
Thats because you're not in China watching them be made.
Most of all Chinese stuff uses what is call a cold welding. Its basically a welding machine that someone with little training can perform and stack tack weld on tack weld with next to zero weld penetration, and little filler rod. Its almost like a pluse setting on A TIG machine with a 1 to 2 second delay between arcs.
Beeing cocky?
Trust me when i say i can spot good welds from bad.
I was involved with my late friend in Sweden with developing the highest quality turbomanifolds one could buy at that time(RIP)
Manifold below is my design, he welded it.
It´s for Audi 80 quattro(S2) coupé.
Welds in this manifold is purgewelded in 321 stainless custom bent pipes, all made in Sweden with first class swedish steel.
You have as we speak thrown a rock inside the wrong glasshouse my friend.
(Pics below the one on top are more manifolds i was involved in, we made many many more designs, some were used in fia rallycross european championships)
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