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Except for S580 & S580 Maybach*
ALL 63 MODELS are not coming back as of now, neither other 580 models.
Also explains why all the 2022 63 AMG orders are being converted to 53 AMG's.
This is due to supply issues. It may change again if parts become available.


ALL 63 MODELS are not coming back as of now, neither other 580 models.
Also explains why all the 2022 63 AMG orders are being converted to 53 AMG's.
This is due to supply issues. It may change again if parts become available.


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Many are saying this is being brought about by a microchip shortage.
Car companies are using the chips they have on more popular models.
The chip companies are getting back at car companies who screwed them over for years on price.
Now with world wide covid lockdowns sales of home gaming gear has exploded and the money the chip companies are getting now is way better than anything the car companies offered.
You could call it sweet revenge on their part against greedy car companies who thought they were untouchable and could dictate pricing to suppliers.
Car companies are using the chips they have on more popular models.
The chip companies are getting back at car companies who screwed them over for years on price.
Now with world wide covid lockdowns sales of home gaming gear has exploded and the money the chip companies are getting now is way better than anything the car companies offered.
You could call it sweet revenge on their part against greedy car companies who thought they were untouchable and could dictate pricing to suppliers.
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If it's a microchip shortage, why did they cut the V8 models? I would imagine they make more dollars per car on the v8 models, no?
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Something is amiss here. Mercedes is not the only company producing V8's.
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I don't think it's microchips. I doubt v8's use them any different...
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That's what I'm thinking. If limited to Mercedes, there is more here. Originally Posted by Adi-Benz
I don't think it's microchips. I doubt v8's use them any different...
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Ford suspended production on V8s for awhile as well, trucks and mustangs were affected.
https://carbuzz.com/news/official-fo...ang-production
https://carbuzz.com/news/official-fo...ang-production
These may become high theft, if the trend remains unchanged for long time.
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Exactly Adi-Benz. And while I gather there's a GlobalFoundries v. TSMC et al patent infringement issue, I have to question the "let's blame chips" excuse. In the first place, as you sort of pointed out, the chip to car ratio is lower in a v8 than it is in a v6. In the second place there's no such thing as a shortage in a free economy. You just get higher prices. So, I question "chip shortages" is the real reason.Originally Posted by Adi-Benz
I don't think it's microchips. I doubt v8's use them any different...
One thing is clear: they want v8s ICE cars to harder to purchase. Perhaps why would be to give market share to their premium EV cars, like the upcoming Mercedes-Benz EQS (V297) (September 2021 release) to boost initial sales and not look so bad to investors next to tesla. And yes you need the cars to support the charging infrastructure and no nobody is doing well in the ev land against tesla yet.
p.s. This was an idea I got spending 1 minute thinking about. Surely boys and girls you can come up with other solid ones as well.
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Isn't there some EU regulation about average c02 emissions across all vehicles manufactured so for every V8 they make, they need to offset it with multiple "green" vehicles to avoid some tax? Maybe this pushed them in this direction.
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This is the first thing I've heard that could make sense, if it's true.Originally Posted by nastypoker
Isn't there some EU regulation about average c02 emissions across all vehicles manufactured so for every V8 they make, they need to offset it with multiple "green" vehicles to avoid some tax? Maybe this pushed them in this direction.
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Did a quick search: https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/.../regulation_enOriginally Posted by lekoza
This is the first thing I've heard that could make sense, if it's true.
Targets (2020-2024)
For the period 2020-2024, Regulation (EU) 2019/631 confirms the EU fleet-wide CO2 emission targets set under Regulations (EC) No 443/2009 and (EU) No 510/2011.- Cars: 95 g CO2/km
- Vans: 147 g CO2/km
Specific emission targets are set annually for each manufacturer. Those targets are based on the EU fleet-wide targets and take into account the average mass of the manufacturer’s new vehicles registered in a given year, using a limit value curve. This means that manufacturers of heavier cars are allowed higher average emissions than manufacturers of lighter cars. The curve is set in such a way that the targets for the EU fleet-wide average emissions are achieved.
For manufacturers of passenger cars 2020 is a phase-in year: the specific emission targets will apply only to the 95% least emitting new cars in their fleet.
If the average CO2 emissions of a manufacturer's fleet exceed its specific emission target in a given year, the manufacturer has to pay – for each of its vehicles newly registered in that year – an excess emissions premium of €95 per g/km of target exceedance.
Talk about nail in the coffin for the V8 produced in any sort of real production quantity in the EU.
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ALL 63 MODELS are not coming back as of now, neither other 580 models.
Also explains why all the 2022 63 AMG orders are being converted to 53 AMG's.
This is due to supply issues. It may change again if parts become available.

The announcement reads "comply with various global, external, and internal requirements..."Originally Posted by Adi-Benz
Except for S580 & S580 Maybach*ALL 63 MODELS are not coming back as of now, neither other 580 models.
Also explains why all the 2022 63 AMG orders are being converted to 53 AMG's.
This is due to supply issues. It may change again if parts become available.

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That's one of the key phrases that reveals the true actions behind the curtain. (An allusion to the Wizard of Oz.) The other is "including but not limited to", which really means "not primarily due to." Judges love using that sort of "A or B" language when B isn't the real reason when they decide to obfuscate the truth.Originally Posted by places
The announcement reads "comply with various global, external, and internal requirements..."
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Exactly!Originally Posted by jasontaylor7
That's one of the key phrases that reveals the true actions behind the curtain. (An allusion to the Wizard of Oz.) The other is "including but not limited to", which really means "not primarily due to." Judges love using that sort of "A or B" language when B isn't the real reason when they decide to obfuscate the truth.
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Wait a minute...the C63 is on that list...
So is the hybrid a 2023 model then? I thought it was a 2022 one....
So is the hybrid a 2023 model then? I thought it was a 2022 one....
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So is the hybrid a 2023 model then? I thought it was a 2022 one....
I believe the coupe and convertibles of last gen (C205 and A205) survives for one more model year because the successors are not out yet. Which is probably the reason why you don't see the sedan listed there.Originally Posted by Adi-Benz
Wait a minute...the C63 is on that list...So is the hybrid a 2023 model then? I thought it was a 2022 one....





