W140-everyday

I second this opinion.

Jmarv

Thanks. I will test drive the Alfa, Jag and 911. The Jags were notoriously unreliable in the past. Hopefully no longer the case. IS500 would be too soft I think since it’s not a full blown “F”.

Mayur999

I know its a unpopular or uncommon view, but I plan on placing an order for the W206 C63. Barring the price being completely outrageous.

Certainly understand the negatives in lack of sound, "emotion" and V8, but want to see what its like for myself.

Im in Canada, and so 4matic was something I had been looking forward to. Will be interesting to say the least but am staying open minded.

Jmarv

Could probably pick up a nice CPO E63S for the cost of a new W206… But I hear you. I do love the new interior. Had a loaner W206 C300 and wireless CarPlay was so convenient.

Mayur999

Yeah, E63 would be great but I tend to like smaller cars. Though I know the W206 grew from the 205.

Also as you mentioned, I like the new tech and wireless carplay etc.

Lets see if there is an imminent E 63 refresh coming or not.

Still at least a years wait for North America for the C63 in any case.

alexx88

Sorry to derail this, but Carplay was a massive problem in my PFL C63. So i bought a small Carplay box for around 250$ and couldn't be happier. I've been trying to replace my C63 with a new car and just couldn't find anything to match. So I'll probably get a track car and be done with it.

roadtalontsi

Looks like we have some nice alternate suggestions. BMWs.... their inline 6's sound terrible though, and porsche boxter engines do too. Unless they are sitting over 5000rpm it's a sound that makes my ears bleed.(think 90's v6 camaro - or current v6 dodge charger). Jag F-type - supercharged V8, sounds like this is winner but it's not available as a sedan. Lexus Is 500 - seems like a legit choice except lexus cars drive like cardboard. Toyota / lexus products lost their soul after the 90s era - with the end of supra, mr2, good celica etc...The real engineers retired and company became to focused on A to B commuter cars, with no thoughts of the enjoyment of driving only that of sales numbers and growth. Full disclosure I haven't driven a recent modern Lexus but I can't imagine they feel much different than a rwd camry with leather seats. Entertaining and fun but emotionally numb.

I'm happy to see so many of you are like minded and agree. We are tired of the BS politics pushing the narrative that you're helping by going EV. You know like the 9000lb hummers lol. Hondas in the 90's achieved the same or better fuel economy than current models. 30 years of combustion engine technology improvement but not fuel consumption change why????? WEIGHT. They decided to add 1000lbs+ into armoring cars rather than training people to drive. If they cared about fuel consumption they'd stop using so many semi trucks and use more diesel electric trains. They'd stop building everything in china with no emissions regulations only to ship across the globe to you in horribly bad fuel drinking tankers (no emissions either). They rate ships like airplanes in consumption.... TONS PER HOUR. They'd allow more countries to drill for oil locally rather than import it around the globe. It's all a big money game to control your spending and tax you more further lining their friends and their own pockets.

EV's should have POWER GUZZLER TAXES. why not? we have gas guzzler taxes, even on cars that will see little if any regular driving.. Power grids will be hit hard as the masses slowly convert because of government push and incentives. Most ev's do horrible on the high way, especially at higher speeds it gets exponentially worse. Range on a full charge also gets much worse with 90*+ and below 40* ambient temperatures. These conditions massively alter the "RANGE" and most regions see these conditions for half of the year if not more.

We already have full size sedans with 500hp+ v8's getting mid to high 20mpgs. Imagine it'd gain 15-25% MPG efficiency by dropping some of that extra obese weight..

Why was the AMG LS2 M177 with cylinder shut off not even considered or even better how about a cylinder shut off smaller displacement v12. Inline 6 is perfectly balanced when the other half are shut down. Smaller cylinders are more efficient in consumption.

Free valve technology. Why isn't this being widely implemented. Koenigsegg is a genius. There is real promise to this saving the combustion engine with massive efficiency gains.

If apple car play is whats important - why wouldn't the oem consider offering an update kit? The largest emission output of any car is the initial build. Keeping already built cars on the road is the most environmentally friendly you could be.

I drove by a local Mercedes dealership parking lot today and the new car lot was empty other than 20 EQS models. It looks like it isn't just the C63 AMG crowd that feels way, a tech friend is already putting a battery in a new EQS under warranty. I guess that ones carbon foot print just doubled within a few months.

I almost forgot to mention how any collision over 10mph it is required to replace the high voltage battery on EV's to maintain safety from internal damage to the battery cells. Just another nail in the coffin for the narrative considering that's the worst emission part to produce, and lets not forget this will also cause further rising insurance costs.

If anyone gets one of these please come visit me. I want to do 10 back to back 0-150mph races. Lets see whos car really performs. Lets revisit this test in all seaons too. Compare performance and total fuel or charge consumed.as well as reliability and repeatability. because breaking down means a tow truck (more emissions) and parts replacement (more emissions).

Jmarv

I’m with you on the smaller cars. I’m considering switching to a 911. New turbo engines have decent low end torque without the need to rev it to 5k rpm.

E63 facelift already took place and didn’t get the latest headunit so it’s safe to assume wireless CarPlay won’t be available. Not sure if next gen will keep the V8 or not. Perhaps a chance based on the new S63. It’ll be a porker no doubt.

Mayur999

Nice!

911 good in the winter and snow though?

pghc63

not good but excellent
drove my 4S 992 with snow tires , no issues other than remote clearance issues but that is very rare

SAMotorsports

6.2 > 4.0 TT > 2.0. I think this will be the worst selling C63 but it will also hopefully help maintain the value and demand of the W205.

vicmodi

man... OP is pissed... lol

Dojla60

Actually who doesn't want it lol ?

WolfpackC63

^(everyone?)

MrBane

It's unfortunate future generations won't be able to experience what AMG offered (or even further ICE cars in general).

Hopefully sales for this car tanks and maybe MB will follow Porsche and push back against emission regulations... wishful thinking.

W205C43PFL

Like others said, separating AMG and Mercedes-Benz is the way to go in terms of going around regulations requirements (or mainly fleet emission average)

susman@eurogermantown.com

Honestly kinda happy we just didnt dive straight into full EV AMg's and have a little ICE before ist all EQ AMG. Granted I drove the EQE Amg the other day and it was better than I expected

AV1

Very interesting question...

Sat down for coffee and catch up in January with my Mercedes SA and dealership I've been associated with and buying my Mercs for the last 12 years and he told me enquiries re. the new upcoming W206 C63 were literally "through the roof" (this is for the Australian market).

How well or not that translates into actual sales is unknown, final pricing will IMHO play a major role.

​​​​​​​It is scheduled for release here in July.

Mayur999

Good to know. Not much news here on release in North America, but could be by end of 2023 or early 2024. As you said, price will be interesting to see.

W205C43PFL

I am assuming mainly those who still want a vehicle with that much horsepower and that is under factory warranty and for those that are not ready for full EV yet so they decided to get PHEV like the C 63 S E Performance.

AV1

Well, diving further into this part of the topic, from the "jist" of it over that conversation I had with both him and the dealership manager it was more a case of new buyers coming into the fray, A class AMG owners moving up the ladder and people previously from other brands as evidenced from the conversations from a lot of the people making enquiries. The more traditional AMG C class buyers will show up (if interested) when it's actually available.

I suppose that's no surprise as this is a very different car and is attracting a different type of buyer.

It's also interesting to note that over the past 18 months here (where I'm located) the number of used 204 & 205 series C63's for sale has ballooned.

I've been looking in the classifieds over that period still deciding on whether or not to grab a good used C204 example and noticed the number jump about 2 fold especially over the last 12 months.

A comment on that from my SA was yep, they're selling while they're still worth something and prepping the funds for this new one lol, (so much for people holding on the them ??) Probably just wishful thinking or maybe very true - time will tell.

alexasa

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There was huge buzz for the BMW XM too. Huge power and through the guise of marketing, technology captures more than just car enthusiasts attention. Or that's how it seems from my perspective.

W205C43PFL

Unlike the C 63 S E Performance that is (so far it seems to be overpriced), the XM is on a different level of seriously overpriced though, the person in charge actually explained the demographic for it, for Urus and G-wagen buyers who want a BMW, I can't say I agree as the XM will never be as capable as a G-wagen, and to compete with Urus with that kind of weight? Forget it.

W205C43PFL

Thanks for your comment, yup I agree only time will tell how it affects the value.

GordonGEICO

BMW doesn't really seem to make a serious effort at a proper halo car, at least not in the traditional sense. Instead, they tend to offer a high-end but quirky product (eg, the i8) that never ages well. I have a feeling the XM will wind up the same - some people will grab it now because it's new and (a bit) flashy, but in a few years, it will probably be gone, replaced by an actual X7 M that drives more like a proper M car (however possible that is in a car approaching 6000 lbs).

I think the W206 C 63 S is simply an experiment that may have strayed a bit too far from the formula.