alexasa

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Historically you were able to get a fully loaded 300 (or A4, 330i) for the same/very similar price as a base 43 (or S4/340).

So, this seems reasonable and how it potentially should have been from the start. I still think it's incredible value as you really don't need more than the standard offering with how good the options are - the biggest gripe one might have is the sound system (I personally think it's okay for the music I listen to with the settings I have input).

cls5504matic

I've been told that. Dealers want to buy 205 C63 and C43. Are being sent a ton of EVs. New C43 is "like C35". Not a lot of V8s being sent to them. AMG V8 get sold right away, m176 sell within a few weeks.

CAMC43

I agree the W206 C43 should be close in price to a fully loaded C300 4matic. The W205 C43 was a lot closer to the W205 C63...its biturbo V6 with 385 HP and 4 matic was pretty close...117 HP... to the RWD C63 V8 biturbo. As the C43 had 4 matic and the C63 did not...from street light to street light...it was a drivers race. If it was wet...advantage C43

There is now a huge gap...over 200HP between the C43 and the C63. Plus the C63...like the C43 now has 4matic. The W206 C43 has 0 chance against the W206 C63. So if they were even a stone throw away on price...it would make no sense to get a W206 C43. Where before you could argue the C43 with its potent V6 and 4 matic was in the same league as a C63 and you could pocket a few nickles.

The W206 C43 4 banger is now closer to the W206 C300 4 banger....and should be much closer in price....and much further in price from a W206 C63.

Dima

This statement is not accurate: C63 is about 800 lb heavier. Once the batteries are depleted during a race for example without braking, with little charging that would not be enough to fully charge the batteries, you get extra 800 lb with only 50 hp advantage. If you notice, in a track pace mode when racing on a known race track, you get notices on a dashboard when to break and when to accelerate to maximize the charging.
Also the extra weight negatively affects the handling.

places

For whatever it's worth, M340 market completely different. Most dealers will require an order and discounts are rare.

cls5504matic

its also not accurate because a c63 v8 will destroy the c43 in the quarter and rolling. Its also a drift car. Id argue there is more difference between 205 43 and 63 then 206.

And that isn’t to take anything away from 205 c43. I’ve seen them very quick and win some surprising races. Amg_tecs on ig drives one really well

AzurSL

I’d like to add to the convo that this time around AMG put a lot more effort into the chassis to upgrade it from the normal C300. The previous C43 was a lot more a la M340i where they took the base car and put a 6 cylinder “AMG-ified”motor in it. They did do more extensive suspension upgrades than BMW and tweaked a few other things but it still wasn’t some extravagant AMG, it just had a sweet sounding V6. Although still, many reviewers said the C43 was closer to the C63 than the M340i was to the M3. This time around the C43 got a proper hand crafted motor (granted its an I4), the 9 speed MCT and not the torque converter, the same suspension treatment the old car got, rear wheel steering, plus a bunch of additional chassis bracing that the old car did not. And now for the next MY we see the introduction of optional dynamic engine mounts, something that used to only be reserved for the S variant of the C63. IMO despite it being down by 2 cylinders on the previous C43, AMG put more effort into the car to have it earn in AMG nameplate. Yes it’s no C63, but it was never designed to be anyway. This is a C43 and IMO it earned “AMG.” Then again it’s just my opinion and clearly based on the lack of demand I seem to be in the minority.

cls5504matic

I think it really comes down to misguided emissions requirements that has artificially altered the course of automotive development.

I dont think we arent saying mb didnt try. Or at least im not.

Dima

Auto Motor und Sport tested C43 T vs m340 T : They tested on track and on the street. It's behind the paywall so I cannot link it.
But they concluded that AMG made much more modifications to C class than BMW to a 3 series. The AMG driving dynamics is far superior to BMW on the track.
It handes way better and feels like a real sports car. Where BMW wins is on Gas and oil consumption, better warrantee, much cheaper service.
So there you go. Those guys are the best by the way.

Dima

Copyright AMS+
Why are we examining the offending items in the environmental and cost chapters in such detail? Because the C 43 more than gambles away its lead from the property rating here. If you like, it would be (nearly) the better sports suit in terms of points – also, by the way, because it puts together the more comprehensive safety package. Above all, however, because thanks to the AMG changes it plays off its great driving precision. Not to be forgotten, because the wide spread of its dynamic systems gives the driver a lot of co-determination rights and he almost loses himself in the extensive set-up options.This results in an extremely stiff connection, and the all-wheel drive vehicle annexes every radius accordingly. The fact that its power distribution prefers the rear axle, splitting the torque in a rigid ratio of 31 to 69 percent, is hardly noticeable in the self-steering behavior.

Fifty-fifty would also be believable, with the front wheels giving way on the test track at the end of the possible, moderated subliminally by the ESP. In this case, the speed is already seriously high - when changing lanes twice through the pylon course, it is significantly higher than in the BMW.

He contrasts the seriousness with his very own cheerfulness. Although the M does not offer a drift mode, its all-wheel drive allows so much leeway that all possibilities are opened up in terms of driving dynamics. Even when pulled tight, the rear aligns itself at the exit of the curve, yaws minimally at the limit speed and remains in stable saturation. The BMW M340i Touring xDrive flows harmoniously through demanding passages.



The fact that it stays a bit beyond neutrality makes it appear handier than the Mercedes-AMG C 43 T 4Matic from the apex . However, the M does not come close to its direct turning. On the contrary, its chassis initially settles into its springs after the steering command and only then follows the specified radius. There is a relatively large amount of play in the mechanics, which is hardly surprising given that the wheel suspension has less extensive hardware support than in the AMG. The M engineers are content with new shock absorbers and stabilizers all around - although it must be said that they are already building on a decidedly tough basic model for the 3 Series.

Your own twist becomes clearer when applying the xDrive. It's tough, changing all the way to the pure rear-wheel drive - with everything that goes with it. If you steer in exuberantly, the rear naturally alternates from static to sliding friction, without a noticeable jump, and returns to its place without jerks as soon as you open the steering intuitively. Cornering contains a swinging component, you dance around the ideal line. Only those who go too far will be harshly admonished by the ESP.

Dima

This is the second German mag that says essentially the same thing. My guess is others just don't get it as C43 does feel and behave differently.

W205C43PFL

I guess it also has to do with the W206 C 43 being almost previous generation W205 C 63 S price (at least in Canada), the C 63 S E Performance is more like an "experiment" to a lot of people's eyes. MB is hoping that people like the new car if not perhaps they still consider MB and the W206 in the form of W206 C 43 and not consider competitors while MB comes up with a more "refined", "better" W206 C 63 S E Performance... I too was surprised when the W206 C 43 got the M139l when it was first revealed, wasn't surprised about the price increase as a result though. If reports by other forum members is to believe, that the C 63 S E Performance is doing poorly and not well-received back home in Germany.

Another reason with all the add-ons and touches from the C 63 to the C 43 was due to the fact they also need to convince current W205 C 43 customers that going down from six cylinders is worth it... that sort of thing.

Although there are just mixed experiences and reports on the transmission jerkiness etc and if/if not being an issue, that also contributed to if this car is successful or not.

W205C43PFL

FWIW, although the W206 C 43 is down two cylinders, it sounds better than expected (for those who are in to those things) in North America without the OPF.

eatmydust

Canada is so weird haha. The new c43 is only $2k more then previous gen c43 here in USA. So I don't know whats going on over with our friends up north. Unless canadian cars are fully loaded and its making it seem that the car is really expensive. Here in the states there are c43s at 59,000 us dollars msrp. Previous gen was 57,000~

W205C43PFL

nah they aren't fully loaded, it is also a common theme that most of them are missing digital lights.

Same goes with the EQS and other EV models, the interest rate is absurd, it is slightly better now, and there are no such 10% off incentives like the States, they are trying to move EVs here too but not to the same extent as the States I guess.

CarlosAMGBR

But Brazilian market is the same ****. We have already got ordering guides. The W 206 C 43 AMG is crazy expensive here, like 50% over the price of the outgoing W205 C 43 AMGs here. The C 63 is expected to drop here around R$ 1 mil (50% over the price of the W 205 C 63 S, price of USD 210k converted).

W205C43PFL

Hmmm, I heard Mexico isn't any better either pricing wise.