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Mercedes admits the C63 is a dud and doesn’t sell

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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 09:07 AM
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I think if amg had a 6 cilinder engine at the time they would have put it in the c63. A Mercedes engine in a c63 would also not have sold (a 206 c63 is 140k euro here vs 115k for a 205)
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 10:36 AM
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MB had a price increase on all models. The new E class is 18,000 euros more than last. This is a result of a new luxury strategy they're implementing. The other part is getting rid of all classes below C class.
German dealers are complaining about MB being much more expensive than Audi and BMW. They wrote a scathing letter to management.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dima
MB had a price increase on all models. The new E class is 18,000 euros more than last. This is a result of a new luxury strategy they're implementing. The other part is getting rid of all classes below C class.
German dealers are complaining about MB being much more expensive than Audi and BMW. They wrote a scathing letter to management.
Well the luxury strategy of charging more isn't working. Most models are sitting and can be had for discounts. Record buybacks due to tech heavy cars that get treated like any other appliance. The 48V technology has been a failure. EQ line is for the most part stalling with heavy incentives and steep deprecation.

I'm hoping they get the new GT right and fix all the gremlins on the SL's. I've been a lifelong MB customer and can't find a compelling reason to trust the brand right now. Overall reliability is spotty at best, it's a roll of the dice.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Doa
Sadly enough only the us market would still have decent sales for v8 and 6 cilinder models and if Mercedes sells too many big engines they need to pay a penalty to the eu... Very sad but not much we can do.
they should have kept the c63 for the 205 and went for a c35 and c45 in the 206.
The heavy hybrid they could at best call a c45 e performance
They are banking the number "63" alone sells as it indicates it is the top of the line C-Class model. They are basically laughing at purist and all they care is marketing, which is sad, they don't care about all the heritage and history that once made the C 63 great.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
They are banking the number "63" alone sells as it indicates it is the top of the line C-Class model. They are basically laughing at purist and all they care is marketing, which is sad, they don't care about all the heritage and history that once made the C 63 great.
We here often have optimistic lensing that makes us momentarily forget that they are still a corporation. One of the main virtues of any corporation whether we want to admit it or not, is the bottom line. However, it looks like in the C63's case their strategy may be backfiring somewhat.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by AzurSL
I was a fan of his in the beginning. I thought the idea of MB going back up market to where it was 40-50 years ago was a good thing. How they were gonna manage that after having diluted the brand was not my problem and I had my doubts but I liked the initiative. I expected this to mean that the cars themselves would go up market as well. That’s far from the case. The W206 is a textbook lesson when it comes to cost cutting. The insane amount of hard plastics that are present in areas where they weren’t in the W205 is just one example. MB touted how they were able to save all this weight with the new 9 speed compared to the old unit in the W205, but very quietly go back to using steel for a lot of the body panels that were aluminum in the W205. Why? Because it’s easier to manufacture with and cheaper to use. That decision has played a big factor in the car’s weight gain.
Speaking of weight gain, they are not trying anymore or they laugh at us when we mention that new MBs need a specialized diet. Look at the new AMG GT 63 for example, it doesn't even have E Performance stuff yet look how much heavier it is compared to the outgoing model, many argue they want to copy the Porsche 911 in terms of design, yes they did that, a lot of similarities but why didn't they copy what Porsche also did well on the 911, saving weight? Ah yes, because weight saving cost money, doesn't play well with MB's strategy, does it?

I guess going up market in MB's thinking is for cars to cost more, not necessary mean the quality is better, sad as an MB fan. Ignoring the EQ models for a second, MB's GLC inventory is much higher than BMW and audi... why?

No, not because they are very good at producing cars at a fast rate, it is more that they want to quickly rush the vehicle out of the factory and get paid by the customer, because cars sitting at the factory doesn't earn them anything. They also want to have the car out soon so they can also attract customers that had been considering competitors and the result? Although the fact that most owners post on the forums because they have issues and less so because they enjoy the car does hold true but from my personal experience just at my local dealership, there were 15, 15! GLCs in the service bay with same powertrain issues (Canada) and the car was released only a month or two ago (Canada). These issues were too reported on the forums, massive powertrain issues, DISTRONIC issues (when it is technology that should be second nature to MB) and other issues from cars not starting, infotainment crashing, vehicles dying in the middle of nowhere and sometimes even on the highway too.

Yes, MB is releasing updates to address these issues, recalls to address these issues but we customers shouldn't be BETA testers, they are releasing half-ready cars but we paid full price, not half-price then pay the rest later when the car is ready that sort of thing.

Yes I get it, we complained that MBs are slow to release new models in the USA market after official reveals in Germany unlike let's say BMW and Porsche, but at least they don't release half-ready products or at least not that I know of.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by flocons
We here often have optimistic lensing that makes us momentarily forget that they are still a corporation. One of the main virtues of any corporation whether we want to admit it or not, is the bottom line. However, it looks like in the C63's case their strategy may be backfiring somewhat.
Not denying them they are corporation and have to make money but they need to balance things out and not entirely about the bottom line.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 03:01 PM
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Wow I would’ve never guessed! Cost cutting at its finest.

I’ve read a couple times on the forums that euro cars with “Artico” use different materials from the American “MB-Tex” because of harsher regulations in Europe pertaining to vinyls. I never looked into it, but now having read this I wouldn’t be surprised.
Paint was affected as well.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Socal Sam
So the C63 is essentially an improved C300. Merc should call this model C20et AMG for 2.0L with electric turbo and sell base model for about $8-10k more than C300. Dump the hybrid system to save weight, it's great for performance number but how many people actually need more than 200 hp on the streets? 469hp from the 2.0L is more than enough.
They need the horsepower to make up for and try to convince to customers that they should buy the C 63 S E Performance, which loses half the cylinders.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 03:58 PM
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this is why BMW is still producing 6 and 8 cylinders in the 3 and 5 respectively. New M5 will have an 8 and word is future m3/4 will as well. Albeit with hybridization.
8 cyl in the next m3? I haven't seen that word at all.... I did see bmw boss mention possibly the next m3 being full electric.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by eatmydust
8 cyl in the next m3? I haven't seen that word at all.... I did see bmw boss mention possibly the next m3 being full electric.
He meant the M5 will get 8 cylinders.
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Old Aug 26, 2023 | 04:44 PM
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Everyone needs to stop blaming businesses, including MB, but instead should address their ire towards a small group of people who whip up the frenzy, by being vocal, blocking the streets and so forth. And the politicians who are afraid of them and put mondates on car manufacturers by taxing the horse power, engine size, fuel economy. Where is the outrage on that? And if you agree with all that, stop complaining as it will only get worse.
I already gave an example of 6 cyl MB costing 13 thousand euros more than 4 cyl in France in taxes.
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Old Jan 8, 2025 | 01:34 PM
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As an example only, I optioned out a new 2023 C43 in Canada and it came out to $100k !!! (I paid $76k for my 2010 c63 and $78k for my 2012 c63, to put THAT in perspective!) I realize it’s a different time and different market but it seems like Mercedes just arbitrarily raised all their prices up by 30% from the previous model generations. I recall the previous gen w205 C43 max’d out at $82k. Don’t even get me started on the new SL, ridiculous pricing on those and now dealers in my area are discounting those by cad$50k !!! And that’s right on the sticker before you even try and grind them….



Do you still have both ur c63s?
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