Mercedes Introduces The New M178 4.0L BiTurbo
06-13-2014, 04:49 AM
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Mercedes Introduces The New M178 4.0L BiTurbo
Uploaded on the 11th. Stats are 375kW/650NM or 502bhp/480lb-ft for us English people.
Worth a watch. Interesting info. Looks like a complicated engine, honestly was expecting a little bit more power, but I'm sure there will be a performance package...
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06-13-2014, 10:20 AM
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It turns out previous rumors were spot on as the AMG GT will feature a twin-turbo V8 4.0-liter engine delivering 510 PS (375 kW) at 6,250 rpm and a maximum torque of 650 Nm (479 lb-ft) between 1,750 rpm and 4,750 rpm.
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It turns out previous rumors were spot on as the AMG GT will feature a twin-turbo V8 4.0-liter engine delivering 510 PS (375 kW) at 6,250 rpm and a maximum torque of 650 Nm (479 lb-ft) between 1,750 rpm and 4,750 rpm.
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06-13-2014, 12:48 PM
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More M178 information and photos:
"Like the 6.2 that came before (and is still in the C63 AMG), the 4.0L M178 will make at least 510 horsepower and 479 pound feet of torque. Those numbers are almost exactly the same as the 6.2 in the Edition 507 C63. The displacement shouldn't really come as a shock, either. Audi uses a 4.0 V8 in a number of high performance models like the S8 and RS7, getting as much as 560 horsepower out of the mill. Look for AMG to change that power output depending on the application."
http://jalopnik.com/this-is-amgs-510...ium=socialflow
"Like the 6.2 that came before (and is still in the C63 AMG), the 4.0L M178 will make at least 510 horsepower and 479 pound feet of torque. Those numbers are almost exactly the same as the 6.2 in the Edition 507 C63. The displacement shouldn't really come as a shock, either. Audi uses a 4.0 V8 in a number of high performance models like the S8 and RS7, getting as much as 560 horsepower out of the mill. Look for AMG to change that power output depending on the application."
http://jalopnik.com/this-is-amgs-510...ium=socialflow
06-13-2014, 07:20 PM
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https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ne-sounds.html
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06-13-2014, 10:28 PM
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I don't know why everyone is so worried about the sound. Even if it doesnt sound "amazing" im sure there will be exhaust options in the future to make it sound even more extreme.
06-14-2014, 12:20 AM
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https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...ne-sounds.html
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06-14-2014, 09:49 PM
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People need to start adjusting their expectations. The motor is boosted, of course it's not going to sound like the M156. For what it is, it sounds pretty darn good. Better then it's lawn mower sounding competitor, the M3.
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06-15-2014, 12:39 AM
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the new V8 will sound good for a turbo engine, and make good power.
It sucks we viewed the current C63 to a higher standard, now the new and "better" car we have to lower our standards.
i guess we know one thing. The M156 is going to be overnight classic engine.
06-15-2014, 10:39 AM
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So does this mean they've swapped the intake/exhaust in the heads? Intake comes from the outside, the exhaust routes inward/upward into the turbos (in the V), then down the center of the car toward the back.
06-15-2014, 12:39 PM
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What sounds good to me is that this kind of setup should keep turbo lag to a minimum... if any.
06-15-2014, 12:54 PM
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I'm interested to see how MB handles this. I've driven the new M6 extensively, and for me, there is very noticeable turbo lag. Too much for a 'performance' GT.
06-16-2014, 12:13 PM
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I love it, we humans can send humans to the moon, robots accorss millions if not billions of KM of space, but we can't completely rid turbo lag thats been around for what? 70 years? Jesus..thats boarderline failure for our species
the turbo lag is exactly why i dont like turbo cars..it's annoying as hell unless you're a 70 year old who doesn't want to have any fun, my old jap import had so much lag i sold the car, a 1JZ motor in it..im surprise 20+ years later theres still lag.
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06-16-2014, 12:38 PM
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2014 and theres still turbo lag?
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I love it, we humans can send humans to the moon, robots accorss millions if not billions of KM of space, but we can't completely rid turbo lag thats been around for what? 70 years? Jesus..thats boarderline failure for our species
the turbo lag is exactly why i dont like turbo cars..it's annoying as hell unless you're a 70 year old who doesn't want to have any fun, my old jap import had so much lag i sold the car, a 1JZ motor in it..im surprise 20+ years later theres still lag.
....Nice - South Park (Full Version) - YouTube
I love it, we humans can send humans to the moon, robots accorss millions if not billions of KM of space, but we can't completely rid turbo lag thats been around for what? 70 years? Jesus..thats boarderline failure for our species
the turbo lag is exactly why i dont like turbo cars..it's annoying as hell unless you're a 70 year old who doesn't want to have any fun, my old jap import had so much lag i sold the car, a 1JZ motor in it..im surprise 20+ years later theres still lag.
06-17-2014, 11:48 AM
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Another approach is what we're seeing in exotic supercars. McLaren's P1 has a "torque fill" feature that spins up the electric motor to smooth out the torque curve until the turbo fully spins up. But again, you're paying for this with complexity and weight in the form of batteries and an electric motor.
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Yeah, people who say that just don't understand the fundamental way that turbos work. Turbo lag has already been solved: it's called a supercharger. Of course, there's no such thing as a free lunch and you're going to give up efficiency since it's driven via the crank and not waste exhaust gas.
07-10-2014, 09:50 AM
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May have more of a Ferrari sound , when exhaust is opened up.
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07-10-2014, 12:50 PM
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AMG considering electric turbochargers
F1 tech has solved it.
Sky Sports F1 2014: How Mercedes become so strong in 2014 - YouTube
Also, I would expect more Electric motors to come out for regular cars that will provide Torque fill (Porsche 918)
Sky Sports F1 2014: How Mercedes become so strong in 2014 - YouTube
Also, I would expect more Electric motors to come out for regular cars that will provide Torque fill (Porsche 918)
A report coming out of Australia indicates Mercedes-Benz's AMG division is considering developing an electric turbocharger to use on some of its upcoming sports cars.
"There are many companies looking into this technology right now and it is something we will investigate at some time to see the benefits," announced Jochen Martin Schmid, AMG's head of powertrain development, in an interview with Australian website Drive.
A mechanical turbocharger provides the engine with boost thanks to a turbine that is spun by exhaust gases as they exit the cylinders. As its name implies, an electric turbo is spun by a compact motor that allows it to provide more boost at lower rpms. The setup all but eliminates turbo lag, the gap of time between when the driver presses the gas pedal and when the turbo provides a noticeable amount of boost.
Rivals Audi and BMW have toyed around with electric turbochargers in the past, and the V6 engine found in Mercedes' Formula 1 car uses a highly-advanced form of the technology.
Schmid did not reveal when AMG will decide whether or not to use electric turbochargers in its cars. If the company moves ahead with the project, the technology could trickle down to non-AMG-tuned Mercedes models before the end of the decade.
"There are many companies looking into this technology right now and it is something we will investigate at some time to see the benefits," announced Jochen Martin Schmid, AMG's head of powertrain development, in an interview with Australian website Drive.
A mechanical turbocharger provides the engine with boost thanks to a turbine that is spun by exhaust gases as they exit the cylinders. As its name implies, an electric turbo is spun by a compact motor that allows it to provide more boost at lower rpms. The setup all but eliminates turbo lag, the gap of time between when the driver presses the gas pedal and when the turbo provides a noticeable amount of boost.
Rivals Audi and BMW have toyed around with electric turbochargers in the past, and the V6 engine found in Mercedes' Formula 1 car uses a highly-advanced form of the technology.
Schmid did not reveal when AMG will decide whether or not to use electric turbochargers in its cars. If the company moves ahead with the project, the technology could trickle down to non-AMG-tuned Mercedes models before the end of the decade.
Read more: http://www.leftlanenews.com/amg-cons...#ixzz375LVGq2P
