Will the C63 AMG be easily tuned to push 550+ RWHP?
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it is supposed to be 425 to the wheel with the 15 percent drive train loss at the 503 hp but i think Mercedes is going to underrate it.
so what does the S stand for in the AMG models? Superfast
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500 to the wheels seem high i think to the wheels stock it will make like 450-475.
it is supposed to be 425 to the wheel with the 15 percent drive train loss at the 503 hp but i think Mercedes is going to underrate it.
so what does the S stand for in the AMG models? Superfast
it is supposed to be 425 to the wheel with the 15 percent drive train loss at the 503 hp but i think Mercedes is going to underrate it.
so what does the S stand for in the AMG models? Superfast
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That's some awesome -- but scary math. Wow....
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But yes, just want to be clear, doubling the m133 output has nothing to do with the ceiling for the m177/178.
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550whp is likely attainable with a tune, but I would not expect a whole bunch more without some contributing mods.
The ceiling? Only one way to find out. Push it til it breaks.
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The M156 engine was in almost every single AMG engine for a while there. Then they had to start face lifting models and they started to bring in the turbocharged engines. It seems clear to me, when you look at how heavy-duty the M178 engine is, it sort of looks as thick as a diesel. I'd guess that they have a very very tunable engine that that are going to use across the model line as updates and face lifts require. Very profitable, very satisfying for the consumer, and very fuel efficient for the EU regulation averages their models need to achieve.
Just my personal thought, not based on anything but supposition. Fire at will.
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It seems clear to me, when you look at how heavy-duty the M178 engine is, it sort of looks as thick as a diesel. I'd guess that they have a very very tunable engine that that are going to use across the model line as updates and face lifts require. Very profitable, very satisfying for the consumer, and very fuel efficient for the EU regulation averages their models need to achieve.
Just my personal thought, not based on anything but supposition. Fire at will.
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^^^^ This is absolutely correct according to information I've been given
Same block and internals so far for both M177 & M178 and these blocks are definitely built like tanks resembling diesel blocks which I'm all too familiar with.
The new engine has been built with a huge margin for power and torque expansion as it will eventually be used in all other AMG models for the foreseeable future.
Except for MB/AMG insiders we won't know exactly how much the current overall combination can produce, it is usually at least 20-25% more than the starting point with FI engines, later it may require different induction and exhaust etc. OEM upgrading as time rolls on with newer future models.
Although I believe future powertrains of performance vehicles will go hybrid like what's already beginning to happen, we may very well see the next gen 206 or 207 AMG's running even smaller displacement internal combustion petrol engines mated to electric power plants.
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I am currently driving a 2015 C300 as a loaner while my E is in for a factory warranty and I can tell you that my next car will be the C63. The new C class is NOT an entry-level vehicle anymore. The suspension, steering, interior, sound system, etc., all are 10x better than the outgoing C and on par with any E class. Unless you test drive 1 in person, you won't appreciate how nice it is.
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Not quite right. I was looking forward to see the potential of this engine with the new GT3 but the ended up with the non-turbo 6.2-liter V-8 version.
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I said there was huge growth potential and that the transmission can handle another 35%+ torque. I made no claims that HP would double but I'm betting you can get 150hp out of the motor. M113K motors have gone from 385whp to 550whp and more...
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This is where we are in a better spot with the 4 TT and not the 5.5 TT, the hop in TQ would not be as much in relation to HP as found on the 5.5. The 4WD copes with that a loot better as its general coupled to a stronger gearbox.
I make a prediction that within a year of general release that this car will break 10's with slightly larger turbo's and sticky tires.
By the look of things the turbos would flatline fairly quickly with aggressive mapping. If i would guess a standard tune will bump it to around 620hp and 650tq. with upgraded turbo's and cooling i see 700hp and 750tq easily. With peak hp around 5700rpm and peak TQ around 3100rpm
Thats if they can crack the tq limiter and ECU. Can't wait to see what they do. 2cents
I make a prediction that within a year of general release that this car will break 10's with slightly larger turbo's and sticky tires.
By the look of things the turbos would flatline fairly quickly with aggressive mapping. If i would guess a standard tune will bump it to around 620hp and 650tq. with upgraded turbo's and cooling i see 700hp and 750tq easily. With peak hp around 5700rpm and peak TQ around 3100rpm
Thats if they can crack the tq limiter and ECU. Can't wait to see what they do. 2cents
550+ RWHP Easily - just look at the output of the similar component 2.0ltr in the A and CLA45's and other similar displacement V8 engines out there that have been tuned.
Torque output will be the limiting factor for the transmission and FI engines always produce massive torque compared to NA.
From literature I've read the MCT for the 205 series C63's has been beefed up internally so it's torque handling will be over and above the 204 series MCT's
Torque output will be the limiting factor for the transmission and FI engines always produce massive torque compared to NA.
From literature I've read the MCT for the 205 series C63's has been beefed up internally so it's torque handling will be over and above the 204 series MCT's
