S or non-S?
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I'd think the option and a retrofit would be considerably cheaper than that as its only the front brakes, the rotors are the biggest cost in a CCB setup at just over $2K each. Full CCB in the E63 S is $8950 so I'd expect half CCB in the C63 S to fall in the $4500-5000 range.
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I'd think the option and a retrofit would be considerably cheaper than that as its only the front brakes, the rotors are the biggest cost in a CCB setup at just over $2K each. Full CCB in the E63 S is $8950 so I'd expect half CCB in the C63 S to fall in the $4500-5000 range.
I was under the impression front and rear were creamic. the only difference with the E63 being the sliding rear caliper vs 4 pistons.
One copper caliper is $1000 so $2k for the front.
Actual front rotors for the E/CLS/SLS are close to $3k each. Rear are $2.5k each.
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2015 E63S AMG & 2013 GLK350
Ok just for fun and information purposes (and the fact that I have the information handy lol)
Based on E63 S CCB parts…
Front pads $255
Front rotors $2265 ea ($4530)
Front caliper $915 ea ($1830)
Rear pads $195
Rear rotor $2100 ea ($4200)
Rear caliper $675 ea ($1350)
Total - $12,360
Now as a factory order lets remove the factory steel brakes…
Front pads $295.50
Front calipers $780 ea ($1560)
Front rotors $750 ea ($1500)
Rear pads $213
Rear calipers $461.25 ea ($922.50)
Rear rotors $140.25 ($280.50)
Total - $4771.50
Difference between the two is $7558.50, with $6949.50 of that being the price difference of the rotors. Now I know production costs are much different than anything in the retail world and there may be other costs involved but it gives a good idea of the cost difference in the actual brake hardware.
Based on E63 S CCB parts…
Front pads $255
Front rotors $2265 ea ($4530)
Front caliper $915 ea ($1830)
Rear pads $195
Rear rotor $2100 ea ($4200)
Rear caliper $675 ea ($1350)
Total - $12,360
Now as a factory order lets remove the factory steel brakes…
Front pads $295.50
Front calipers $780 ea ($1560)
Front rotors $750 ea ($1500)
Rear pads $213
Rear calipers $461.25 ea ($922.50)
Rear rotors $140.25 ($280.50)
Total - $4771.50
Difference between the two is $7558.50, with $6949.50 of that being the price difference of the rotors. Now I know production costs are much different than anything in the retail world and there may be other costs involved but it gives a good idea of the cost difference in the actual brake hardware.
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2015 E63S AMG & 2013 GLK350
But the almost complete lack of brake dust and the fade free performance (so far) in situations where my C63 brakes started feeling stressed have sold me on them. Also I think the AMG version of CCB are the best feeling and least touchy of the ones I've driven, mainly those from Porsche, Ferrari, and Lamborghini granted I haven't spent as much time behind the wheel of those as I have my AMG.
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I've got no major complaints with mine, they can squeak a bit if driven easy for a while and it is somewhat loud. In reality not much different from my C63 brakes when babied for a bit. Fortunately I don't usually go very long without driving at least a little hard. And if I'm on a long highway trip, particularly in the rain, where I don't use the brakes for a while they feel like I have very little brakes for a moment before catching. I usually notice that approaching an exit ramp.
But the almost complete lack of brake dust and the fade free performance (so far) in situations where my C63 brakes started feeling stressed have sold me on them. Also I think the AMG version of CCB are the best feeling and least touchy of the ones I've driven, mainly those from Porsche, Ferrari, and Lamborghini granted I haven't spent as much time behind the wheel of those as I have my AMG.
But the almost complete lack of brake dust and the fade free performance (so far) in situations where my C63 brakes started feeling stressed have sold me on them. Also I think the AMG version of CCB are the best feeling and least touchy of the ones I've driven, mainly those from Porsche, Ferrari, and Lamborghini granted I haven't spent as much time behind the wheel of those as I have my AMG.
Can you please expand a bit re: the performance of your CCBs in the rain? I read an account from an F8X owner (his car has CCBs) and he said that the CCBs became scary in wet conditions. He mentioned needing to mash the brake pedal to the floor to be able to stop from relatively low speeds.
Of course, this could be a BMW-specific CCB problem. Or, that particular owner could have a problem with his CCBs.
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'12 C63 Black Series, '12 ML350 BlueTech
Ok just for fun and information purposes (and the fact that I have the information handy lol)
Based on E63 S CCB parts…
Front pads $255
Front rotors $2265 ea ($4530)
Front caliper $915 ea ($1830)
Rear pads $195
Rear rotor $2100 ea ($4200)
Rear caliper $675 ea ($1350)
Total - $12,360
Now as a factory order lets remove the factory steel brakes…
Front pads $295.50
Front calipers $780 ea ($1560)
Front rotors $750 ea ($1500)
Rear pads $213
Rear calipers $461.25 ea ($922.50)
Rear rotors $140.25 ($280.50)
Total - $4771.50
Difference between the two is $7558.50, with $6949.50 of that being the price difference of the rotors. Now I know production costs are much different than anything in the retail world and there may be other costs involved but it gives a good idea of the cost difference in the actual brake hardware.
Based on E63 S CCB parts…
Front pads $255
Front rotors $2265 ea ($4530)
Front caliper $915 ea ($1830)
Rear pads $195
Rear rotor $2100 ea ($4200)
Rear caliper $675 ea ($1350)
Total - $12,360
Now as a factory order lets remove the factory steel brakes…
Front pads $295.50
Front calipers $780 ea ($1560)
Front rotors $750 ea ($1500)
Rear pads $213
Rear calipers $461.25 ea ($922.50)
Rear rotors $140.25 ($280.50)
Total - $4771.50
Difference between the two is $7558.50, with $6949.50 of that being the price difference of the rotors. Now I know production costs are much different than anything in the retail world and there may be other costs involved but it gives a good idea of the cost difference in the actual brake hardware.
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Hey all,
Looking make the jump from BMW to MB.
My dealer doesn't have exact pricing they can share with me quite yet, but the general consensus is that the C63S will be around $10k more than the non-S?
What's everyone ordering here? Originally I was thinking of getting a non-S and just hopping it up with aftermarket, but I don't want to get the runt of the litter if the norm is to get the S. Re-sale would be a problem...
So S or non-s?
And what's the story with Edition 1? Is that the equivalent of a "launch car" complete with bugs and QC issues?
Thanks in advance.
(oh, I should mention I am in the USA).
Todd
Looking make the jump from BMW to MB.
My dealer doesn't have exact pricing they can share with me quite yet, but the general consensus is that the C63S will be around $10k more than the non-S?
What's everyone ordering here? Originally I was thinking of getting a non-S and just hopping it up with aftermarket, but I don't want to get the runt of the litter if the norm is to get the S. Re-sale would be a problem...
So S or non-s?
And what's the story with Edition 1? Is that the equivalent of a "launch car" complete with bugs and QC issues?
Thanks in advance.
(oh, I should mention I am in the USA).
Todd
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So do the S and non-S have the same brakes in just different colors? On pg 15 of the ordering guide, one of the technical differentiations of the S is "high performance braking system red brake calipers" so it's not clear. could be interpreted either way. Also on pg 30 of the ordering guide they look physically different to me.
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So do the S and non-S have the same brakes in just different colors? On pg 15 of the ordering guide, one of the technical differentiations of the S is "high performance braking system red brake calipers" so it's not clear. could be interpreted either way. Also on pg 30 of the ordering guide they look physically different to me.
The AMG high-performance brake system has the following components:
- on the front axle: integral brake discs measuring 360 x 36 mm, internally ventilated and perforated with 6-piston fixed calliper
- on the rear axle: brake discs measuring 360 x 26 mm, internally ventilated and perforated with 1-piston floating calliper
- grey-painted brake callipers with white AMG lettering
AMG high-performance composite brake system** : (red)
Greater fade resistance, lower weight
Large, internally ventilated and perforated brake discs all round provide for excellent deceleration. The composite technology at the front increases fade resistance and reduces weight. The reduction of weight lowers the unsprung masses on the wheel, thereby improving the response of the spring/damper elements and overall stability.
Features of the AMG high-performance composite brake system:
- Front axle: composite brake disc measuring 390 x 36 mm, internally ventilated and perforated with 6-piston fixed calliper
- Rear axle: brake discs measuring 360 x 26 mm, internally ventilated and perforated with 1-piston floating calliper
- Red-painted brake callipers with black AMG lettering
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Ah so they are in fact different. Leaning more towards the S now. Thanks!
Edit: so the S is an unbelievable deal. It explicitly includes $4k-$4.5k in optionable features, then on top of that +35hp, elec slip diff, and dynamic engine mounts.
Edit: so the S is an unbelievable deal. It explicitly includes $4k-$4.5k in optionable features, then on top of that +35hp, elec slip diff, and dynamic engine mounts.
Last edited by Acturater; Mar 29, 2015 at 11:40 AM.
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And if the pattern for resale is anything like the e class.. Resale will be better on the c63S ... Slightly
