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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 03:21 AM
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New c63s underpowered...ecu run in mode?

So first time I gave my c63s a bit of a foot and it was stopping dead on 300bhp and underpowered (I had a demo c63 for a month and it was way faster and went to 500bhp on reader)

I'm assuming the ecu had a run in mode that deletes after a certain millage?
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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 10:55 AM
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It shouldn't. Both mine and the test drive car both hit 503 hp the first trip out. These cars actually have a protection mode that will be activated but you would never know it. My friend had a similar issue and it turned out to be a defective exhaust flap motor. The car showed no CEL but just would not jump above 350hp.
See if you can get he car scanned for codes
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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bgm130
It shouldn't. Both mine and the test drive car both hit 503 hp the first trip out. These cars actually have a protection mode that will be activated but you would never know it. My friend had a similar issue and it turned out to be a defective exhaust flap motor. The car showed no CEL but just would not jump above 350hp.
See if you can get he car scanned for codes
interesting, two days ago I took it tto torqueflow a merc exhaust specialised and had the backbox changed for more noise and took the changeable valves out
could that have made the issue?
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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliverduke
So first time I gave my c63s a bit of a foot and it was stopping dead on 300bhp and underpowered (I had a demo c63 for a month and it was way faster and went to 500bhp on reader)

I'm assuming the ecu had a run in mode that deletes after a certain millage?
Check to see if you have any turbo boost in the display ahead of the steering wheel (when you have no power) as I had this problem 3 times and the dealer said it was a turbo waste gate hose that they replaced and has not happened since.
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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Oliverduke
interesting, two days ago I took it tto torqueflow a merc exhaust specialised and had the backbox changed for more noise and took the changeable valves out
could that have made the issue?
Yes!
This is it 100%. If you override the valve controls the car goes into a "limp mode". The car thinks something is wrong with the exhaust and pulls all HP after about 4K rpm. You will prob notice that as well.
I am not sure if you can just flash the codes and make it work. But he went back to stock, cleared codes, and right back to normal.
Btw codes were P141100, P143700, P13c700. One for each valve in the exhaust
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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bgm130
Yes!
This is it 100%. If you override the valve controls the car goes into a "limp mode". The car thinks something is wrong with the exhaust and pulls all HP after about 4K rpm. You will prob notice that as well.
I am not sure if you can just flash the codes and make it work. But he went back to stock, cleared codes, and right back to normal.
Btw codes were P141100, P143700, P13c700. One for each valve in the exhaust
that's it then mate jjust tried battery r3set but done nothing!
Facebook torqueflow and listen to it,rreally don't want to go back stock...
I've got msl to sponsor a remap as I'm doing the gumball rally in it.

I guess 3 options?
1. see if can delete codes and it fixes it
2. remap now
3. leave it limp mode while running in then remap (500 miles currently)

what you think best?
my merc dealer are custom friendly
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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 04:16 PM
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Is that your black coupe on the Facebook page? If so Very nice!
I would not leave it in limp mode. You don't want a brand new car breaking in with an issue like this. i would take it back to the exhaust company and see if they have a solution.
What exactly did they do? Remove the flaps or just give you something that forces the valves to be open at all times?
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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bgm130
Yes!
This is it 100%. If you override the valve controls the car goes into a "limp mode". The car thinks something is wrong with the exhaust and pulls all HP after about 4K rpm. You will prob notice that as well.
I am not sure if you can just flash the codes and make it work. But he went back to stock, cleared codes, and right back to normal.
Btw codes were P141100, P143700, P13c700. One for each valve in the exhaust
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Is that your black coupe on the Facebook page? If so Very nice!
I would not leave it in limp mode. You don't want a brand new car breaking in with an issue like this. i would take it back to the exhaust company and see if they have a solution.
What exactly did they do? Remove the flaps or just give you something that forces the valves to be open at all times?
Yes that's it!

they deleted the back boxes and put custom straight pipes...
they are partnered with msl best merc tuning outlet in UK appaapparently so they're the ones talking to me now about fixing it, both companies in same garage...
they said bring it back and they will flash codes or remap.
my merc dealer has offered to check with tech if they can also flash codes for me...

so few options, guess if you advise no limp mode would be
1. get merc to flash codes see if it works
2. if not remap with msl
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Old Sep 11, 2016 | 08:17 PM
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I think if you get mercedes to flash/clear the codes they will just come back. The ecu is going to be searching for those valve motors and next time it does a "check up" you are going to get the same issue.
See if msl can come up with a solution. A simple temp fix(if they can't figure it out) would be to pull the motors of the stock piece. They are tiny so you may be able to plug them in and tuck them away under the car. Then have the codes clear and you should be fooling the ecu. That should buy some time(if you don't want to be limping around)
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Was the oil temperature completely warmed up? I.E. the font display the oil temperature in the AMG menu turns from white to blue?

The computer seems to purposefully limit the engine before it reaches that point. That's the only thing I can think of.
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Was the oil temperature completely warmed up? I.E. the font display the oil temperature in the AMG menu turns from white to blue?

The computer seems to purposefully limit the engine before it reaches that point. That's the only thing I can think of.
yeh was an hour into a 2 hour drive when I had a play...
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Old Sep 12, 2016 | 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bgm130
I think if you get mercedes to flash/clear the codes they will just come back. The ecu is going to be searching for those valve motors and next time it does a "check up" you are going to get the same issue.
See if msl can come up with a solution. A simple temp fix(if they can't figure it out) would be to pull the motors of the stock piece. They are tiny so you may be able to plug them in and tuck them away under the car. Then have the codes clear and you should be fooling the ecu. That should buy some time(if you don't want to be limping around)
yeh that makes sense... I'll hhave a chat with them today, I'm assuming a full remap will override those faults?
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Old Sep 12, 2016 | 04:23 PM
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Got it all fixed guys!

Plugged the valves back in and deleted fault codes all working fine now!
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Old Sep 12, 2016 | 06:49 PM
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Great news. Glad I could help.
Now that we know 100% this is an issue I will add it to the FAQ on my site. I know this is going to come up again.
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Old Sep 15, 2016 | 12:30 PM
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I'm curious about the fix here... Did you initially have the flaps removed for the exhaust? Or did you just have another section removed and unplugged them? Your exhaust sounds great BTW.
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Old Sep 17, 2016 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bgm130
Great news. Glad I could help.
Now that we know 100% this is an issue I will add it to the FAQ on my site. I know this is going to come up again.
So the plot thickens... its gone back limp... why
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Old Sep 17, 2016 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dthquazi
I'm curious about the fix here... Did you initially have the flaps removed for the exhaust? Or did you just have another section removed and unplugged them? Your exhaust sounds great BTW.
so all we done was unscrew the flap electric driver unit things from the old back box, plug them back in and cable tie them to the back bumper underneath...

but as you can see, it didn't fool the ecu for long it seems!
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so all we done was unscrew the flap electric driver unit things from the old back box, plug them back in and cable tie them to the back bumper underneath...

but as you can see, it didn't fool the ecu for long it seems!
Hey Oliver,

Did u get to the bottom of this issue?
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Could it be the TSB for turbo issue where one of the vacuum lines wasn't fitted right and rubbed until it broke?. Maybe this happened at the factory????
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