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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 06:35 AM
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Having come from a W204 C63 Coupe with an aftermarket Quaife LSD fitted, I'm finding the C63S electronic diff. quite poor. Wheels spin with slight acceleration and I have very little confidence I'm not going to do a 360 when applying full throttle. Does anyone else feel this way? It could simply be down to a) my poor driving skills or b) too much low down torque vs. the old model.

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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 06:41 AM
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bothe A & B , haha

Haha the power is immense compared to the old model, jumping from any NA car to a Turbo car you'll notice this, especially a car with as much power as the C63S
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 03:06 PM
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Quite the opposite for me, the grip has surprised me time and time again for such a powerful car, especially in the cold, wet weather that is the British Autumn.

The only time wheels have spun is under heavy acceleration and even when the back has kicked out the car composes itself almost instantly. Interesting that we've had such different experiences. Which tyres did yours come with?
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 03:22 PM
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That's quite interesting. Honestly, compared to the old 6.3, I don't have any confidence in what's about to happen when I put on the power. In the wet, I'm driving like Miss Daisy.

Mine came with continental sportcontact 5p tyres.
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by g5und
That's quite interesting. Honestly, compared to the old 6.3, I don't have any confidence in what's about to happen when I put on the power. In the wet, I'm driving like Miss Daisy.

Mine came with continental sportcontact 5p tyres.
Haha, try and stay safe out there mate!

Your tyres could be the root cause. Mine came with Michelin pilot supersports. The general consensus is that they're the best summer tyres for the C63. Best overall grip and ride comfort in dry and wet conditions. Try and switch if you can, you'll very likely notice a world of difference.
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 03:57 PM
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Is there any difference in traction between the 19/19 and 19/20 set up?
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 04:01 PM
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Haha, try and stay safe out there mate!

Your tyres could be the root cause. Mine came with Michelin pilot supersports. The general consensus is that they're the best summer tyres for the C63. Best overall grip and ride comfort in dry and wet conditions. Try and switch if you can, you'll very likely notice a world of difference.
+1 to this. Mine came with the PSS and I'm very surprised at how well composed the car is under full throttle. Coming from an Audi, I came in thinking that anything more than 1/4 throttle would have my spinning and sliding all over the road. I actually find the LSD to be excellent.
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 04:25 PM
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Is there any difference in traction between the 19/19 and 19/20 set up?
I don't think so, wheel width is the same so shouldn't make a difference. It's the tyres that make it so the michelins are the way to go.
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Old Nov 22, 2016 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Trim105
Haha, try and stay safe out there mate!

Your tyres could be the root cause. Mine came with Michelin pilot supersports. The general consensus is that they're the best summer tyres for the C63. Best overall grip and ride comfort in dry and wet conditions. Try and switch if you can, you'll very likely notice a world of difference.
+ 1 for Michelin Pilot Super Sports. If your driving any high HP/Torque sports car in winter/fall months with precipitation, these are a must. Preferably non-run flats as they are softer and grip the road better in wet conditions. I have put them on all my sports cars. Great in summer months too.
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I agree with the above - I have Michelin PSS and they work perfectly on this car.

I think to solve your problem, you need to replace the tires when they wear out and go for Michelin PSS or the new Michelin Pilot Sport 4 s (coming out in a few months and will replace PSS) - Saw these on the new E63s.

Reviews have been superb, it's meant to be better than the PSS.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...ss-Release.htm

"Michelin is working hand in hand with the world’s leading car manufacturers to provide the most suitable tyres to complement the performance of their most exclusive models. Thus, the MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4 S has been developed to satisfy the owners of cars from manufacturers including BMW M, Ferrari, Ford, Mercedes-AMG, and Porsche"

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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 03:35 AM
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I agree with the above - I have Michelin PSS and they work perfectly on this car.

I think to solve your problem, you need to replace the tires when they wear out and go for Michelin PSS or the new Michelin Pilot Sport 4 s (coming out in a few months and will replace PSS) - Saw these on the new E63s.

Reviews have been superb, it's meant to be better than the PSS.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article...ss-Release.htm

"Michelin is working hand in hand with the world’s leading car manufacturers to provide the most suitable tyres to complement the performance of their most exclusive models. Thus, the MICHELIN PILOT SPORT 4 S has been developed to satisfy the owners of cars from manufacturers including BMW M, Ferrari, Ford, Mercedes-AMG, and Porsche"
my tires are already worn out, any idea when the PS4s will be out?
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my tires are already worn out, any idea when the PS4s will be out?
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-4.htm/price/

Seems like you can order them already.
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Old Nov 23, 2016 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Trim105
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Michelin/Pilot-Sport-4.htm/price/

Seems like you can order them already.
thanks buddy
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I noticed the new E63 is wearing PS4's
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The wheel spin has nothing to do with the LSD. It has everything to do with all of the torque the car makes down low and the impossible challenge the stock 255's have to put it down, compared to the W204's.

C63s need more tire no matter what. I'm running 285s and still break free at will, but have way more confidence dropping the hammer post mid corner
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Old Nov 24, 2016 | 02:54 AM
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I have the non-S with the mechanical diff and even in the cold the car, with small throttle inputs, will hook up and shoot off. Large throttle inputs however...! The car and traction control systems are very benign though, and catch you very quickly.
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Originally Posted by g5und
Having come from a W204 C63 Coupe with an aftermarket Quaife LSD fitted, I'm finding the C63S electronic diff. quite poor. Wheels spin with slight acceleration and I have very little confidence I'm not going to do a 360 when applying full throttle. Does anyone else feel this way? It could simply be down to a) my poor driving skills or b) too much low down torque vs. the old model.

What are others thoughts on this?
I traded in a Tuned BMW 335i with almost as much HP/TQ as this car and I was running an after-makert Quaife. This eLSD in the C63S feels to be better than the Quaife tbh. This car is a lot more controllable and its sides are a lot more progressive as in you wont be caught with pants down as long as you are not in Race or Sports+ modes, or turned off the nannies. You can confidently give it pedal, the car will catch you. Turn off the nannies and give it pedal though you will find out just how tail happy it can be.

I have experimented with no traffic around me incase I do something rather stupid and get in trouble, there will be only me and no one else to worry about.
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Originally Posted by callmiro
The wheel spin has nothing to do with the LSD. It has everything to do with all of the torque the car makes down low and the impossible challenge the stock 255's have to put it down, compared to the W204's.

C63s need more tire no matter what. I'm running 285s and still break free at will, but have way more confidence dropping the hammer post mid corner
Coupes come with 255/35R19 front, and 285/30R19 rear.

Back to OP, get better tires and don't forget the C205 and W205 both have electromechanical steering and C204 and W204 both have mechanical steering. You may be feeling less confident due to lack of the crispiness of the steering feedback and direct feel.

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Try dropping tire PSI to 35-36.
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Try dropping tire PSI to 35-36.
I have a sedan but I think the coupe is lower than that --sedan is 33
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Thanks for the replies folks. I think the Continentals are the root cause coupled with the fact they appear to have been massively over-inflated. Taking some air out appears to have helped also. When they wear out on the rear, I'll be swapping them for PSS.
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Thanks for the replies folks. I think the Continentals are the root cause coupled with the fact they appear to have been massively over-inflated. Taking some air out appears to have helped also. When they wear out on the rear, I'll be swapping them for PSS.

I've noticed a significant difference in rear traction in my C63S sedan depending on the rear tire pressures. Anything above 35ish psi and the rear end wants to break free abruptly. Running in the 32-34 psi range, the rear end will still break free but it does it in a much more progressive manner.

My car came stock with Dunlops, and I switched to Michelin PSS when those wore out. To tell you the truth, I didn't notice much of a difference between the two except that the Michelins seem to ride smoother and are a bit quicker (could just be that the Dunlops were worn out by direct comparison). When it comes to traction, both were fairly comparable and had no where near the big difference people on here seem to claim.
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