The C63S really IS built like rubbish
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I'm just glad that the only issue I've had with mine is the check engine coolant light coming on and a stone getting stuck in the brake mechanism which sorted itself out after I disengaged and reengaged it.
no rattles or squeaks except the damn isofix on the toddler car seat rubbing against the metal on the isofix point on the car and the toddler seat itself squeaking. the roads we have in Surrey UK are shockingly bad, potholes everywhere. 2018 c63s estate , 9k miles , and this is a reasonably stiff car so I'm pleased there are no rattles after all abuse the car has suffered on these roads here. maybe I just got lucky.
my last Merc did rattle only from the sunglasses compartment and door bins. the ride was stiffer than a British upper lip too. gla 45.
based on this and the car I got for my wife , build quality has been to a high standard on the 3 recent mercs, but in no way can they match the 230.6 and 230.4 we had in the 70s and 80s. those cars were tanks
no rattles or squeaks except the damn isofix on the toddler car seat rubbing against the metal on the isofix point on the car and the toddler seat itself squeaking. the roads we have in Surrey UK are shockingly bad, potholes everywhere. 2018 c63s estate , 9k miles , and this is a reasonably stiff car so I'm pleased there are no rattles after all abuse the car has suffered on these roads here. maybe I just got lucky.
my last Merc did rattle only from the sunglasses compartment and door bins. the ride was stiffer than a British upper lip too. gla 45.
based on this and the car I got for my wife , build quality has been to a high standard on the 3 recent mercs, but in no way can they match the 230.6 and 230.4 we had in the 70s and 80s. those cars were tanks
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I wonder if the EU build quality is better? My car was produced in Alabama and the fit and finish stinks. I have gaps on my headlights and on my bumper. I don't have time to go back and forth with the dealer to fix and argue whether I caused the fitment issues or not. Besides the obvious build issues, the paint is pretty horrible on this car. I have some fading on my front bumper and after doing a full detail on the car a month ago, I have more chips/damage than any of my other cars. I have a Cayenne that has gone through many winters and 105k+ miles on it and it has far less road wear than the C at around 20% of the miles. My 2 series sits outside and I recently had it detailed and it looks amazing. You would never know that it has 50k miles on it and has been used in the winter...
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I wonder if the EU build quality is better? My car was produced in Alabama and the fit and finish stinks. I have gaps on my headlights and on my bumper. I don't have time to go back and forth with the dealer to fix and argue whether I caused the fitment issues or not. Besides the obvious build issues, the paint is pretty horrible on this car. I have some fading on my front bumper and after doing a full detail on the car a month ago, I have more chips/damage than any of my other cars. I have a Cayenne that has gone through many winters and 105k+ miles on it and it has far less road wear than the C at around 20% of the miles. My 2 series sits outside and I recently had it detailed and it looks amazing. You would never know that it has 50k miles on it and has been used in the winter...
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I picked up a CPO BMW 228i commuter car with no upgrades and the build quality is a lot better than my C. Even with 2x the miles, the BMW is just built far better and there are no issues with rattles or squeaks.
Compare that with the 2012 BWM 135i convertible I drive now. 75k miles in and only a year or so ago did I notice the first rattle which the dealership quickly fixed. Maybe the 1 / 2 series from BMW are just built better than the 3
I'm picking up a custom order C63S soon (hopefully March!) and am the kind of person who is driven bonkers by rattles. I hope I luck out on my role of the dice.
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I recently drove a sedan and it had WAY more rattles than my coupe. The only rattles in my coupe are a very slight rattle from my far left air vent and the rubber insert in the rear cupholders. Otherwise it's rock solid.
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My C63s is the most rattle free car I've ever owned. In past cars I would eventually locate the errant rattle/buzz/squeak, getting better at finding the source each time. This is something the owner has to do, sometimes it took me months of patient searching. Obviously a dealer can't spend this amount of time. The dealer is a good solution when there is a known issue.
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The OP and others 'seem' to be displeased by having issues with fit and finish as done by.....American workers. Maybe I'm reading something into this but is there the possibility cars assembled in Germany are of a better quality than those assembled in the U.S.. I have a 2020 C63S coupe waiting for a ship right now. If I had been asked whether I wanted my car assembled there or here, frankly I would have chosen Germany. It's their product, not ours. And, I believe they take more pride in their work because of that.
With that said, how is the F&F of GM products which ARE American products? Ford, Chevy, GM..... Just wondering out loud.
With that said, how is the F&F of GM products which ARE American products? Ford, Chevy, GM..... Just wondering out loud.
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The OP and others 'seem' to be displeased by having issues with fit and finish as done by.....American workers. Maybe I'm reading something into this but is there the possibility cars assembled in Germany are of a better quality than those assembled in the U.S.. I have a 2020 C63S coupe waiting for a ship right now. If I had been asked whether I wanted my car assembled there or here, frankly I would have chosen Germany. It's their product, not ours. And, I believe they take more pride in their work because of that.
With that said, how is the F&F of GM products which ARE American products? Ford, Chevy, GM..... Just wondering out loud.
With that said, how is the F&F of GM products which ARE American products? Ford, Chevy, GM..... Just wondering out loud.
Assuming that you are 100% correct, it is still a Diamler problem. If they aren’t doing proper QA on the American assembly line, the problem goes right back to Germany and the product they’re providing.
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Mine was built Germany. Ford and Chevy f&f has gotten pretty good on most models sans the ones at very bottom of the market. Dodge is still complete garbage.
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Mine is an Alabama car and it does squeak, but I dont want to throw the people there under the bus though. I would say that it is well built. It has consistent shut lines, everything lines up and fundamentally the fit and finish is good. However, it does squeak on the window & door seals and the panoramic roof is the worst. But I cant hold that against the factory, since they are working with the parts and components they have! Could the materials be better? Possibly, but I think that the combination of some of them is what is causing the issue. For example the doors fit well and have the solid clunk when you shut them. No wind noise, no leaks or anything like that.
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My 2019 C63s Sedan is Alabama built and so far with 6k miles I've experienced no rattles or other quality issues. My only problem is learning to drive slowly enough to avoid speeding tickets.
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The OP and others 'seem' to be displeased by having issues with fit and finish as done by.....American workers. Maybe I'm reading something into this but is there the possibility cars assembled in Germany are of a better quality than those assembled in the U.S.. I have a 2020 C63S coupe waiting for a ship right now. If I had been asked whether I wanted my car assembled there or here, frankly I would have chosen Germany. It's their product, not ours. And, I believe they take more pride in their work because of that.
With that said, how is the F&F of GM products which ARE American products? Ford, Chevy, GM..... Just wondering out loud.
With that said, how is the F&F of GM products which ARE American products? Ford, Chevy, GM..... Just wondering out loud.
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You'd think the German-built cars would be higher quality, but a quick search shows countless coupe/cab owners with the same rattle and other QC issues.
Purely anecdotally, lately all the serious facelift mechanical issues (misfires, etc) seem to be coming from coupe/cab owners.
The sad reality is that it's an engineering rather than manufacturing issue. And our cars are on the C-class platform which is held to a lower standard than a S or GT.
Now, the Beijing-built cars (C63 sedan included) are actually crappier. The interior quality is noticeably lower and they don't use the same plastics. There's more of the flimsy cheap gloss black you'd expect in a Versa
Purely anecdotally, lately all the serious facelift mechanical issues (misfires, etc) seem to be coming from coupe/cab owners.
The sad reality is that it's an engineering rather than manufacturing issue. And our cars are on the C-class platform which is held to a lower standard than a S or GT.
Now, the Beijing-built cars (C63 sedan included) are actually crappier. The interior quality is noticeably lower and they don't use the same plastics. There's more of the flimsy cheap gloss black you'd expect in a Versa
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Now that I have 3k miles on my 2016 C63S, I thought I would post in the hopes that perhaps some other errant buyer can move on to something built a bit better than what Mercedes is building these days.
After 3k miles, it is very obvious this car is the absolute worst built car I have ever owned from any brand. Many of my problems have been reported extensively on this forum and elsewhere. Just adding to the chorus...
It's like driving around in a car from the 70s with rusty springs! The worst part is, I still REALLY like the car. The engine! My wife said it was embarrassing how badly the speakers squeak and how all she hears when in the car are rattles. Sadly, this has been my worst ownership experience so far outside of the driving dynamics. Really disappointed. I hope most if not all of these things can be fixed with one visit; who has time to keep going back and forth to a dealership?
After 3k miles, it is very obvious this car is the absolute worst built car I have ever owned from any brand. Many of my problems have been reported extensively on this forum and elsewhere. Just adding to the chorus...
- Nasty rattle from the center dash now that it is cold
- The headliner in the car squeaks like mad now that it is cold
- The glass sunroof rattles like mad
- The speakers vibrate like mad when using the phone or listening to music within certain frequencies
- The speakers have an electronic buzzing noise all the time
- There is a rattle/squeak coming on the passenger side
- The exhaust system vibrates/rattles with any movement to the car from the outside
- The active safety systems go off ALL the time randomly for now reasons
- The headlights are aimed far too low
- The rear bumper does not fit perfectly on the right side
It's like driving around in a car from the 70s with rusty springs! The worst part is, I still REALLY like the car. The engine! My wife said it was embarrassing how badly the speakers squeak and how all she hears when in the car are rattles. Sadly, this has been my worst ownership experience so far outside of the driving dynamics. Really disappointed. I hope most if not all of these things can be fixed with one visit; who has time to keep going back and forth to a dealership?
- Nasty rattle from the center dash now that it is cold (Yes, but it's the same as the speaker grille for me)
- The headliner in the car squeaks like mad now that it is cold (Not yet or I didn't notice since I don't really drive the car in the winter)
- The glass sunroof rattles like mad (Not yet or I didn't notice since I don't really drive the car in the winter)
- The speakers vibrate like mad when using the phone or listening to music within certain frequencies (Yes, fixed when dealer added "felt" along the speaker grill)
- The speakers have an electronic buzzing noise all the time (NO)
- There is a rattle/squeak coming on the passenger side (Yes, and I diagnosed to the rubber seals)
- The exhaust system vibrates/rattles with any movement to the car from the outside (No)
- The active safety systems go off ALL the time randomly for now reasons (Yes)
- The headlights are aimed far too low (Hadn't noticed)
- The rear bumper does not fit perfectly on the right side (Yes - no fix and I wouldn't want the dealer to make it worse)
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So I’ve been reading this even though I’m 1 full year rid of my ‘17 C63S as of December 22, 2020.
I will tell you that whoever got my car from the dealer I traded it in to is getting the most issue free AMG C63S in the world. At the cost of repeated trial and error through my ownership.
The senior diagnostic tech had my entire interior ripped apart multiple times, felting touch points, clips and other areas. The center control stack (mine was the carbon version) doesn’t come with screws from the factory even though there are spots for them. He added them and felted that area too. Just examples.
For the door seals, just a reminder that Mercedes released a new part version which did resolve my squeaking issues for over 4 months after replacement. Previous attempts failed after just weeks.
I actually miss the car though. Call it Stockholm syndrome, but it had so much personality while driving, so long as you didn’t trigger active safety systems by being near..air... (I’m in an RS5 Sportback now)
I will tell you that whoever got my car from the dealer I traded it in to is getting the most issue free AMG C63S in the world. At the cost of repeated trial and error through my ownership.
The senior diagnostic tech had my entire interior ripped apart multiple times, felting touch points, clips and other areas. The center control stack (mine was the carbon version) doesn’t come with screws from the factory even though there are spots for them. He added them and felted that area too. Just examples.
For the door seals, just a reminder that Mercedes released a new part version which did resolve my squeaking issues for over 4 months after replacement. Previous attempts failed after just weeks.
I actually miss the car though. Call it Stockholm syndrome, but it had so much personality while driving, so long as you didn’t trigger active safety systems by being near..air...
(I’m in an RS5 Sportback now)
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