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Old Mar 24, 2017 | 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexZTuned

I agree with this. I recall seeing a video about the performance exhaust and they were so detailed in their R&D to get the sound right, even testing the exact number of holes drilled in one of the internal muffler pipes (I believe is was 9 holes).

The stock catback is pretty much perfect, I wouldn't mess with the rear boxes. If anything, delete the secondary cat and you have perfection through an OEM tuned exhaust.
I think I'm going to try the muffler delete first as it's completely non destructive and easy to reverse. I don't have the performance exhaust so it's as easy as unclamping one pipe and replacing with another. The loud mode on the AMG GT completely bypasses the rear muffler too (no slots or anything), so I'm expecting it to sound similar to that. And if I don't like it I guess I can put it back and go a different route!
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Old Mar 24, 2017 | 04:25 PM
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What's the technical difference between gutting the secondary cat vs cutting it out? For gutting, do you still have to cut the distal end of the down pipe?

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Gutting was just far easier than replacing. they cut the down pipe at the bottom of the car and took it off where the clamp goes.. then gutted everything out. then welded the original pipe back together and put clamp back on too.
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Old Mar 24, 2017 | 06:57 PM
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Gutting was just far easier than replacing. they cut the down pipe at the bottom of the car and took it off where the clamp goes.. then gutted everything out. then welded the original pipe back together and put clamp back on too.
So you have a hollow Cat can inline on your exhaust?? You don't think that creates turbulence?
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 06:38 PM
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Just had mine removed and it sounds GREAAAT! No drone. About 25% louder. Backfires sound like bombs are going off .
Best $225 spent. Others have paid less, but supposedly Shop used TIG welding instead of MIG welding, which takes longer with better results?

Video clip doesn't reproduce sound well.
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 06:52 PM
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Just had mine removed and it sounds GREAAAT! No drone. About 25% louder. Backfires sound like bombs are going off .
Best $225 spent. Others have paid less, but supposedly Shop used TIG welding instead of MIG welding, which takes longer with better results?

Video clip doesn't reproduce sound well.
Oh man you've just geed me up!

Dropping car off this Friday to have it done

Any diff when the exhaust is not open?

I've heard this is better than any cat back exhaust out there lol
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by C63SEd1
Just had mine removed and it sounds GREAAAT! No drone. About 25% louder. Backfires sound like bombs are going off .
Best $225 spent. Others have paid less, but supposedly Shop used TIG welding instead of MIG welding, which takes longer with better results?

Video clip doesn't reproduce sound well.
Sorry didnt read thru the thread again, did you pull your mufflers or just the 2ndary cats?
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 06:57 PM
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanch
Oh man you've just geed me up!

Dropping car off this Friday to have it done

Any diff when the exhaust is not open?

I've heard this is better than any cat back exhaust out there lol


I just picked up the car today and it's raining, so didn't get to play around too much. I never drive with the valves closed, so it's hard for me to tell. I'll drive w the valves closed tomorrow.
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Vic55
Sorry didnt read thru the thread again, did you pull your mufflers or just the 2ndary cats?

I just removed the secondary cats.
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 07:10 PM
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Friday can't come any sooner now haha...
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 10:22 PM
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Yo, c63sed1, thanks for the pics.

Sanch, looking forward to your report.

Mines in the shop getting chrome delete right now. This is next on my list.

Just wanted to ask you guys again...

Any chance this mod reduces power/horsepower/torque?

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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 10:37 PM
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Yo, c63sed1, thanks for the pics.

Sanch, looking forward to your report.

Mines in the shop getting chrome delete right now. This is next on my list.

Just wanted to ask you guys again...

Any chance this mod reduces power/horsepower/torque?

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None from what I've heard.
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Old Mar 28, 2017 | 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sanch
None from what I've heard.
Okay, thanks. Guess you'll be able to confirm on Friday. Good luck.
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Palpatine
Yo, c63sed1, thanks for the pics.

Sanch, looking forward to your report.

Mines in the shop getting chrome delete right now. This is next on my list.

Just wanted to ask you guys again...

Any chance this mod reduces power/horsepower/torque?

Thanks
I haven't heard of any complaints. I've had mine done for a day now. To me, it's a calculated risk. It's relatively non invasive mod w low risk and low cost, w high return in terms of satisfaction. And it's reversible if necessary. I'm willing to take that miniscule risk.

I think Vic has more experience w the Cat deletes on his cars.
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by C63SEd1
I haven't heard of any complaints. I've had mine done for a day now. To me, it's a calculated risk. It's relatively non invasive mod w low risk and low cost, w high return in terms of satisfaction. And it's reversible if necessary. I'm willing to take that miniscule risk.

I think Vic has more experience w the Cat deletes on his cars.
Technically I have done a lot of resonator deletes but our cars (C63S) do not have resonators by title. But in a sense, the same product is being removed as its post header and the CEL sensor triggers are prior. On the following cars I have done a resonator delete with no issues to power/tq and just a decent increase in sound, burble, fires. Now keep in mind, these parts were probably more restrictive in nature than what we are all talking about here so the sound gains were more on the cars below:

2010 E63
2012 E63 Estate
2012 CLS63
2012 C63 Black Series
2013 SL63
2014 Audi RS7 (yes and no power lost- pulled two resonators our here)

I have spoke with many experienced tuners and techs in the Benz world; the resonator delete does not affect power and I doubt the secondary cat here will be an issue either. Im definitely going to do this on the C63S but I need to get up to muffler shop in Long Beach first (they did all the above cars).
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Vic55
Technically I have done a lot of resonator deletes but our cars (C63S) do not have resonators by title. But in a sense, the same product is being removed as its post header and the CEL sensor triggers are prior. On the following cars I have done a resonator delete with no issues to power/tq and just a decent increase in sound, burble, fires. Now keep in mind, these parts were probably more restrictive in nature than what we are all talking about here so the sound gains were more on the cars below:

2010 E63
2012 E63 Estate
2012 CLS63
2012 C63 Black Series
2013 SL63
2014 Audi RS7 (yes and no power lost- pulled two resonators our here)

I have spoke with many experienced tuners and techs in the Benz world; the resonator delete does not affect power and I doubt the secondary cat here will be an issue either. Im definitely going to do this on the C63S but I need to get up to muffler shop in Long Beach first (they did all the above cars).

Are you still thinking about doing this mod on your C63S, Vic?
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:10 AM
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Are you still thinking about doing this mod on your C63S, Vic?
100% see the last sentence on my last post


I have spoke with many experienced tuners and techs in the Benz world; the resonator delete does not affect power and I doubt the secondary cat here will be an issue either. Im definitely going to do this on the C63S but I need to get up to muffler shop in Long Beach first (they did all the above cars).
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 11:20 AM
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100% see the last sentence on my last post
I completely overlooked that in your post. Sorry about that
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Anyone who is removing secondary cats and aren't tuned, are you throwing the cels and getting a check light?
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Old Mar 29, 2017 | 10:31 PM
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Anyone who is removing secondary cats and aren't tuned, are you throwing the cels and getting a check light?
The secondaries are post sensor = no CEL.
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Old Mar 30, 2017 | 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AMG 17GT
So you have a hollow Cat can inline on your exhaust?? You don't think that creates turbulence?
there is no difference in cars performance. just louder all around. what would i notice from turbulence you think?
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Dropped the car off this morning! - will be picking it up in a few hours.

Will let you know first hand
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Originally Posted by Sanch
Dropped the car off this morning! - will be picking it up in a few hours.

Will let you know first hand
Nice. Excited for you. Do keep us posted.
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Dropped the car off this morning! - will be picking it up in a few hours.

Will let you know first hand
Can't wait for your impressions! Please be the first to post good videos of the cat delete
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Dropped the car off this morning! - will be picking it up in a few hours.

Will let you know first hand
Sanch just to eliminate the "placebo" effect, can you drive it for a bit, then eat, then drink a few beers, then drive it again and let us know?
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