OBD2 port ECU flashing
08-30-2018, 10:11 PM
#33
08-31-2018, 01:08 AM
#34
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The thread has since been deleted because he was wrong and the post was filled with misinformation and speculation. There never has been any development work for a jb4 for the C63S. Disappointing regardless... but it’s not like JB4 is an OBD-II flasher. It’s a piggyback like Dinan.
08-31-2018, 09:10 AM
#35
That was a dumb rumor spread by a C43 owner who has a JB4 on this forum. He said he heard from BMS themselves about C63S development, but was just stupidly just assuming it was coming since both the C43 and C63 are W205’s.
The thread has since been deleted because he was wrong and the post was filled with misinformation and speculation. There never has been any development work for a jb4 for the C63S. Disappointing regardless... but it’s not like JB4 is an OBD-II flasher. It’s a piggyback like Dinan.
Sort of seems odd that they make something for the 43 but not the 63. I doubt the volume is THAT much more to go after 43 owners, vs 63...unless maybe that exact tune also works on 3XX models, and they get volume that way? Wonder how much different/harder it is to code one for the 63 vs the 43. That’s not my specialty, but you’d think it might be similar difficulty. Maybe BMS can’t secure a C63 to develop on? Still, you’d think someone would loan him one for a free tune when it’s done.
08-31-2018, 01:46 PM
#36
It's not a matter of securing a test vehicle. Any number of M17x owners would happily volunteer up their vehicle for the development of this. The issue is that AMG much more tightly controls the ECU for the 63s, which they themselves developed from the ground up. The 43s are basically tuned versions of the normal Mercedes-Benz V6 turbo engine, using the same ECU that the non-AMGs use and thus aren't as tightly encrypted and/or long been decrypted. What this means is that the actual total addressable market with the non-AMG ECUs is significantly more, and thus the $$$ needed for R&D can be recouped faster. Face it, for every M177/M176 (63 engined AMG) sold, there's probably 50-100 Mercedes-Benz V6 turbo powered engine that go off the lot. A lot more likelihood that more than 1 of those 50-100 owners will want to buy a tuner than MAYBE that 1 M17x owner. And once you've developed it for the V6T hardware-wise, you can take that hardware and just play with the tune for the C450/43. It's a matter of economics. No security is unbreachable, it's only a matter of time and money... and desire.
It's why Dinan tested the waters with the piggyback first, to see if there's enough market for everything else in their catalog like suspension & aspiration. Given I haven't heard much from the guys since they launched the piggyback.. I suspect you guys aren't buying enough of the piggybacks to justify the market.
It's why Dinan tested the waters with the piggyback first, to see if there's enough market for everything else in their catalog like suspension & aspiration. Given I haven't heard much from the guys since they launched the piggyback.. I suspect you guys aren't buying enough of the piggybacks to justify the market.
08-31-2018, 01:53 PM
#37
It's not a matter of securing a test vehicle. Any number of M17x owners would happily volunteer up their vehicle for the development of this. The issue is that AMG much more tightly controls the ECU for the 63s, which they themselves developed from the ground up. The 43s are basically tuned versions of the normal Mercedes-Benz V6 turbo engine, using the same ECU that the non-AMGs use and thus aren't as tightly encrypted and/or long been decrypted. What this means is that the actual total addressable market with the non-AMG ECUs is significantly more, and thus the $$$ needed for R&D can be recouped faster. Face it, for every M177/M176 (63 engined AMG) sold, there's probably 50-100 Mercedes-Benz V6 turbo powered engine that go off the lot. A lot more likelihood that more than 1 of those 50-100 owners will want to buy a tuner than MAYBE that 1 M17x owner. And once you've developed it for the V6T hardware-wise, you can take that hardware and just play with the tune for the C450/43. It's a matter of economics. No security is unbreachable, it's only a matter of time and money... and desire.
It's why Dinan tested the waters with the piggyback first, to see if there's enough market for everything else in their catalog like suspension & aspiration. Given I haven't heard much from the guys since they launched the piggyback.. I suspect you guys aren't buying enough of the piggybacks to justify the market.
It's why Dinan tested the waters with the piggyback first, to see if there's enough market for everything else in their catalog like suspension & aspiration. Given I haven't heard much from the guys since they launched the piggyback.. I suspect you guys aren't buying enough of the piggybacks to justify the market.
08-31-2018, 02:03 PM
#38
Well they never promised map switching, CANBUS, launch parameters etc. There was a thread saying it was possible, just like all the other products are possible. But given the lack of overall market interest, I suspect the 1-2 guys they have working on the app have other vehicles that are more popular that they've got to work on first.
08-31-2018, 02:07 PM
#39
Well they never promised map switching, CANBUS, launch parameters etc. There was a thread saying it was possible, just like all the other products are possible. But given the lack of overall market interest, I suspect the 1-2 guys they have working on the app have other vehicles that are more popular that they've got to work on first.
08-31-2018, 06:27 PM
#41
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I'd have to agree with Nova. Maybe if Dinan had more updates or new product offerings to support the C63S they would have more interest. Right now, you only buy Dinan if you want to stay stage 1 forever. No support for catless downpipes which is fine for me as I never intend on adding aftermarket DP's. But it limits an already small market.
Not to mention, have you seen any marketing whatsoever from Dinan? I can almost guarantee if you told an M3/M4 your C63S was running a Dinan tune they'd look at you sideways and laugh like you had no clue what you were talking about.
Dinan could have even supplied a shop car or customer car with their tune installed to some car YouTuber's. The release and marketing was a pretty pathetic effort on their part in this day and age of everything digital... do you ever see anything AMG on their instagram page? They don't care, they know their audience and where they make the most money. And it's not AMG.
Oh, and add me as another waiting for that bluetooth map switching as well. That's a feature I thought would be available from launch and would be very convenient compared to the **** show that is dongle switching (putting car to sleep, disconnecting battery, etc...)
Not to mention, have you seen any marketing whatsoever from Dinan? I can almost guarantee if you told an M3/M4 your C63S was running a Dinan tune they'd look at you sideways and laugh like you had no clue what you were talking about.
Dinan could have even supplied a shop car or customer car with their tune installed to some car YouTuber's. The release and marketing was a pretty pathetic effort on their part in this day and age of everything digital... do you ever see anything AMG on their instagram page? They don't care, they know their audience and where they make the most money. And it's not AMG.
Oh, and add me as another waiting for that bluetooth map switching as well. That's a feature I thought would be available from launch and would be very convenient compared to the **** show that is dongle switching (putting car to sleep, disconnecting battery, etc...)
Last edited by AlexZTuned; 08-31-2018 at 06:29 PM.
08-31-2018, 09:44 PM
#42
I'd have to agree with Nova. Maybe if Dinan had more updates or new product offerings to support the C63S they would have more interest. Right now, you only buy Dinan if you want to stay stage 1 forever. No support for catless downpipes which is fine for me as I never intend on adding aftermarket DP's. But it limits an already small market.
Not to mention, have you seen any marketing whatsoever from Dinan? I can almost guarantee if you told an M3/M4 your C63S was running a Dinan tune they'd look at you sideways and laugh like you had no clue what you were talking about.
Dinan could have even supplied a shop car or customer car with their tune installed to some car YouTuber's. The release and marketing was a pretty pathetic effort on their part in this day and age of everything digital... do you ever see anything AMG on their instagram page? They don't care, they know their audience and where they make the most money. And it's not AMG.
Oh, and add me as another waiting for that bluetooth map switching as well. That's a feature I thought would be available from launch and would be very convenient compared to the **** show that is dongle switching (putting car to sleep, disconnecting battery, etc...)
Not to mention, have you seen any marketing whatsoever from Dinan? I can almost guarantee if you told an M3/M4 your C63S was running a Dinan tune they'd look at you sideways and laugh like you had no clue what you were talking about.
Dinan could have even supplied a shop car or customer car with their tune installed to some car YouTuber's. The release and marketing was a pretty pathetic effort on their part in this day and age of everything digital... do you ever see anything AMG on their instagram page? They don't care, they know their audience and where they make the most money. And it's not AMG.
Oh, and add me as another waiting for that bluetooth map switching as well. That's a feature I thought would be available from launch and would be very convenient compared to the **** show that is dongle switching (putting car to sleep, disconnecting battery, etc...)
