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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 01:58 AM
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Would you buy a 4 cylinder C63?

So the writing is on the wall now. Manufacturers across the world are now going to full electric fleets in the next 10 to 15 years. The C63 is going to lose the V8 for an in-line 4 cylinder and electric power for the next model.

We all know it won't sound as good as any V8 model. It likely wont sound good, at all.
We know this new version is going to be even more heavy then the current model.
We know none of us would want to own an even more complicated car outside of a warranty.
We know it will still be out ran by a performance version of a Tesla, at least in 0-60mph times.

However, it might be faster than the current C63S to 60mph.
A lot of the added weight will be down low in the chassis.
It will likely have an immense amount of torque.
It will be more easy on gasoline consumption.
It will pollute less.

Now here is the question. Given the future prospect of an incoming inline 4 plus electric powered C63 that will cost the same, if not more than the previous model.
Would you rather:
A. Keep your existing V8 AMG powered car as long as possible.
B. Go full electric instead of going to a 4 cylinder/electric car by moving to a Taycan or Tesla for the next car.
C. Buy the new inline-4 cylinder C63 AMG

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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 02:15 AM
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I'll keep throwing $ at my v8 to keep it going as long as possible, nothing electric is a "drivers" car
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 04:06 AM
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I'll keep throwing $ at my v8 to keep it going as long as possible, nothing electric is a "drivers" car
I would do exactly the same, I think the sound that a car makes is 50% of what makes it a car especially when you have a v8 that roars and just hearing the sound while driving makes it that much more fun and engaging .
Would never buy a full electric car regardless of how much faster they are. Been in a friends Tesla and yeah it's quick but at the end of the day friends still wants to ride in my car.
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 09:32 AM
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I am in the market for a 2019+ C63S Sedan (I love the Coupe, but I need the room). It is really sad to see "thee" German Muscle Car be replaced with a 4 cylinder.
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 10:20 AM
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I'd go BMW or Porsche. M3/4 better option despite the grill. No way a four banger for an AMG. Also, as Daruzzian said, no such thing as an EV drivers car.

Interestingly, as cars offer better performance and more tech they seem to become less fun. Too much tech and green?
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 11:25 AM
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I'd definitely consider it. I would not buy the first model year. I would wait a few years and let the newer technology mature a bit and see how they modify things. It's still going to be a monster. Not the same. But will still be a fun machine to drive no doubt.


Can we get a 4th option of possibly in the future?

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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 01:08 PM
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I will not buy the upcoming C63 hybrid sedan. That's for sure. The sedan doesn't do it for me, and this one even less so. The future of the coupe is unknown at this point, but word is that it will be discontinued. Supposedly the C and E coupes are going to be replaced with a new CLE model in 2023, and I generally don't buy until the facelift comes out. At this point chances are high that I will hang on to my '19 C63S coupe for much longer. I will reserve judgment until we get some driving reviews of the new C63 and see what the CLE is gonna be all about, but I suspect this could be my first and last AMG, unless I decide to go higher in the range and get a GT. I might for the first time consider buying used, even. I'd say the Taycan is promising for the future of EVs, and by extension the Audi e-tron GT, but until there are 2+2 EV coupes and the battery technology has improved significantly, I'm not really interested. The future of cars is that of an appliance, and that's not really me.
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 01:23 PM
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I just bought a used 2017 C63S Coupe. I'd rather put more money into it to keep it current rather than buying a 4-cylinder hybrid. I have already bought the new panamericana grill, android touchscreen with CarPlay and new facelift wheel, to update the look. If I wanted more tech, I could go aftermarket to install new ambient lighting, but I don't care about that. Next, I plan on doing a ECU tune, upgraded tires, wheels and brakes for the track. That's the other thing, how much can you really tune a hybrid? I doubt it will be easy to do.
For a daily driver, I don't mind a 4-cylinder, I actually have a 2019 AWD KIA Sportage, nothing exciting but it gets the job done (it is also surprisingly good as a soft off-roader) However, for my weekend car I want something exciting!!! No way I'll be giving up my V8 C63S Coupe. After a decade or so, when it gets too expensive to maintain my C63S, I might go with a GT.
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 01:29 PM
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You need do add an option for "Buy/Lease a competitor car" - I've secured a new car from a different manufacturer and my C63S will be traded-in soon. Really sad to see the direction AMG is going, but the writing was on the wall with the Project ONE.

AMG is shifting from the traditional German muscle car to F1 hybrid tech by downsizing engines and adding electric-motors for power - I blame their success in F1 racing for this monumental shift in AMG's direction.
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 01:36 PM
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Yup, need more options in the poll.

I'd just go with Porsche.
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 05:12 PM
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I have read so many reports that their is not enough Lithium in the world to make all cars electric so how can a manufacture put all their ***** in one basket. There are so many shortfalls with electric and the biggest one is how to travel over 400 miles without charging. Until manufactures standardize batteries and develop a "drive through" quick way to swap batteries and get you on your way quickly, this will not work. Hard to believe MB would shut down a real performance car and make it a 4 cylinder and making it a hybrid, if I wanted that I would have bought a Prius!!
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 06:00 PM
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I'd keep the V8 as long as I can. That said, if I need to go electric, I'd skip the hybrid and go fully electric. In the grand scheme of things, hybrids as a class of vehicles are a half-measure and will eventually be on the chopping block too.

In reality I'd have both in a few years: V8 for driving, and electric for utility/transportation.

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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Swordfish99
I have read so many reports that their is not enough Lithium in the world to make all cars electric so how can a manufacture put all their ***** in one basket. There are so many shortfalls with electric and the biggest one is how to travel over 400 miles without charging. Until manufactures standardize batteries and develop a "drive through" quick way to swap batteries and get you on your way quickly, this will not work. Hard to believe MB would shut down a real performance car and make it a 4 cylinder and making it a hybrid, if I wanted that I would have bought a Prius!!
The new announced Tesla Model S Plaid + can go 520 miles on a charge, run down the 1/4 mile at a mind blowing 9.23 @ 155 mph, run 0-60 in 1.99 seconds and costs $140,000. This thing will absolutely embarrass AMG's flagship GT73e with 800 HP (V8 + electric boost) when it comes out. Hell, it'll embarrass a 765LT in any straight and it has 4 doors and seating for a family.

So what's the point of all this? Unless AMG extracts MEGA performance out of battery electric power, then they shouldn't bother adding complicity, weight, and technology just for the sake of it. Now that Tesla Plaid+ is going to be a cognitive shock in acceleration, but it still weighs a boat and the handling is what it is. This is why AMG, with all the downsizing and F1 inspired-tech, is going down the wrong path by making the W206 even heavier with 4 less cylinders to carry. It should have been a light weight, high-revving, sub-3600lb car that can handle. AMG downsized from the 6.2L to the 4.0L for the sake of emissions and MPG, if they're downsizing to a 2.0L 4cylinder then it should be light and nimble!

I don't think I can name a single performance car in this segment that has a 4 cylinder at this price tag - there's no question that we will see W206 C63e pushing well beyond the 100k mark when the musty-have options get ticked, and there is a lot of strong competition out there in that price range - and much better options in my opinion.
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The new announced Tesla Model S Plaid + can go 520 miles on a charge, run down the 1/4 mile at a mind blowing 9.23 @ 155 mph, run 0-60 in 1.99 seconds and costs $140,000. This thing will absolutely embarrass AMG's flagship GT73e with 800 HP (V8 + electric boost) when it comes out. Hell, it'll embarrass a 765LT in any straight and it has 4 doors and seating for a family.

So what's the point of all this? Unless AMG extracts MEGA performance out of battery electric power, then they shouldn't bother adding complicity, weight, and technology just for the sake of it. Now that Tesla Plaid+ is going to be a cognitive shock in acceleration, but it still weighs a boat and the handling is what it is. This is why AMG, with all the downsizing and F1 inspired-tech, is going down the wrong path by making the W206 even heavier with 4 less cylinders to carry. It should have been a light weight, high-revving, sub-3600lb car that can handle. AMG downsized from the 6.2L to the 4.0L for the sake of emissions and MPG, if they're downsizing to a 2.0L 4cylinder then it should be light and nimble!

I don't think I can name a single performance car in this segment that has a 4 cylinder at this price tag - there's no question that we will see W206 C63e pushing well beyond the 100k mark when the musty-have options get ticked, and there is a lot of strong competition out there in that price range - and much better options in my opinion.
Yep, as much as I don't want a Tesla and don't really care about 0-60 and 1/4 mile times I think AMG is digging their own grave. The current AMGs pretty much couldn't hang with a Tesla in a straight line before, but they countered with an emotional driving experience and while not light-weight they handle well. They are losing everything that was appealing about an AMG and still can't hang with a Tesla. I'm not sure how this is supposed to be a winning recipe other than for customers who just want an AMG badge and clear their conscience. They need to start pumping out EQ AMG models to compete or they are quickly becoming irrelevant.
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Old Feb 4, 2021 | 10:03 PM
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When I bought my Porsche Cayman GTS, I noticed a Tesla on their used car lot. I asked my SA if it was rare that they take in a Tesla for trade. He explained the owners love them for around a year then really bored with them. My son-in-law got a Tesla a few years ago and loved it. He too got bored with it and couldn't wait to trade it in.
Sorry to digress. I think Mercedes will make the new C63s enticing enough to appeal to the masses, not the true enthuciasts conversing on these forums. Besides, the Green movement is forcing the hand on all of the car manufactures.
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Originally Posted by AlexZTuned
The new announced Tesla Model S Plaid + can go 520 miles on a charge, run down the 1/4 mile at a mind blowing 9.23 @ 155 mph, run 0-60 in 1.99 seconds and costs $140,000. This thing will absolutely embarrass AMG's flagship GT73e with 800 HP (V8 + electric boost) when it comes out. Hell, it'll embarrass a 765LT in any straight and it has 4 doors and seating for a family.

So what's the point of all this? Unless AMG extracts MEGA performance out of battery electric power, then they shouldn't bother adding complicity, weight, and technology just for the sake of it. Now that Tesla Plaid+ is going to be a cognitive shock in acceleration, but it still weighs a boat and the handling is what it is. This is why AMG, with all the downsizing and F1 inspired-tech, is going down the wrong path by making the W206 even heavier with 4 less cylinders to carry. It should have been a light weight, high-revving, sub-3600lb car that can handle. AMG downsized from the 6.2L to the 4.0L for the sake of emissions and MPG, if they're downsizing to a 2.0L 4cylinder then it should be light and nimble!

I don't think I can name a single performance car in this segment that has a 4 cylinder at this price tag - there's no question that we will see W206 C63e pushing well beyond the 100k mark when the musty-have options get ticked, and there is a lot of strong competition out there in that price range - and much better options in my opinion.
I totally get what you are saying about half measures, but I would take any performance car with an engine over any performance electric car. I've driven the p100d. The novelty wears off quickly. And then you are stuck with an electric car that drives and feels like every other electric car, no matter how fast or slow. They are appliances, not enthusiast cars.
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I totally get what you are saying about half measures, but I would take any performance car with an engine over any performance electric car. I've driven the p100d. The novelty wears off quickly. And then you are stuck with an electric car that drives and feels like every other electric car, no matter how fast or slow. They are appliances, not enthusiast cars.
But what if you could get a car that had the same handling dynamics, driver-focused tuning, and aggressive look as the current AMG lineup but with an all-electric motor? It'd be nothing like any car Tesla has ever produced, outside of maybe the original Elise-based roadster. Current Teslas aren't performance cars other than their acceleration. That's it. People thinking Teslas are performance cars are no different than the people back in the day that thought a Ford Lightning was a performance vehicle because it was powerful and had quick acceleration.

That being said though, if you took that same 5.4L V8 from the Lightning, tuned it a bit, and showed it into a performance-oriented car, the two vehicle would be nothing alike. Funny how Ford did just that with the Ford GT. Anyone that has driven a Ford GT would never, ever in their wildest dreams try to compare it to a Lightning. Yet people nowadays put that same "Lightning"-type stigma onto the simple idea of an all-electric powerplant by rolling out the Tesla comparisons.
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Old Feb 5, 2021 | 12:48 PM
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I keep my cars for a pretty long time, so I will be keeping my current C63 for a while as well. If/when maintenance costs reach a point that become stupid, or problems develop with the car, then I will see what options are out there at that time. By then, I would hope there were some advancements in battery technology if I am going to be forced to buy an electric vehicle.
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But what if you could get a car that had the same handling dynamics, driver-focused tuning, and aggressive look as the current AMG lineup but with an all-electric motor? It'd be nothing like any car Tesla has ever produced, outside of maybe the original Elise-based roadster. Current Teslas aren't performance cars other than their acceleration. That's it. People thinking Teslas are performance cars are no different than the people back in the day that thought a Ford Lightning was a performance vehicle because it was powerful and had quick acceleration.

That being said though, if you took that same 5.4L V8 from the Lightning, tuned it a bit, and showed it into a performance-oriented car, the two vehicle would be nothing alike. Funny how Ford did just that with the Ford GT. Anyone that has driven a Ford GT would never, ever in their wildest dreams try to compare it to a Lightning. Yet people nowadays put that same "Lightning"-type stigma onto the simple idea of an all-electric powerplant by rolling out the Tesla comparisons.
Yeah, that's the thing. Most people think that a fast accelerating car is automatically a performance cars. Most people don't get the opportunity to hustle a car up a nice mountain road or go on a racetrack, not to mention if they do find themselves on a curvy road they drive like a scared animal. The German performance cars are what they are to a large extent because of the German Autobahn and even there Teslas and EVs in general fall flat, because if you want to drive fast you'll be spending a lot of time at charging stations. During my last ED trip I saw many Teslas on the German Autobahn. Not one was going faster than the recommended 130 kmh. All the cars that were going fast were ICE. A lot of diesels as is still the case in Germany. Probably the closest to what you describe is the Taycan. Anybody who has driven it, immediately gets what's lacking in the Tesla Performance models. Musk is no car enthusiast and he certainly didn't envision the car with the German Autobahn in mind. It's very apparent that it comes from California with no experience or pedigree in motorsport. The new steering yolk in the redesigned Models S, which we have yet to see if the NHTSA lets that stand is complete counter to being able to hustle the car around corners. It would need a super quick steering ratio like a race car to make this type of steering work for dynamic driving, but a quick steering ratio is not gonna happen in a street car as people would end up careening off the road when accidentally nudging against the steering wheel. Musk wants to automate driving and not engage the driver.

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Good question and poll!

Driven a euro-spec A45 and it was astonishing. Astonishing little thing! Ok, so it doesnt sound good and lacks some of the appeal of the V8, but it was far from a bad car! Would I swap the C63S for it? Not so sure at the moment. It is still an event each and every time I get in it and while I havent driven it much in the last 8-10 months, I am really looking forward to in the near(ish) future. I am not sure I would get the same experience with a 4 cylinder version. That said, the A45 is an amazing way to cover ground very quickly and with a lot of the 'DNA' of AMG built into it, it does make an impressive package. I would certainly take a look at what the next AMG model is though. I guess its going to be some sort of 2.0 turbo with hybrid support, which could be interesting. But at the moment, with the massive drop in mileage from 2020, I will keep mine a little longer than I was planning.

The only thing that will make me change in the short term is a potential move from California to a less favorable climate. RWD, winter snow and the need to get to and from an airport (when travel resumes) might necessitate a 4WD car. But of course, I could get a cheap beater for that, so who knows. I am tempted to keep the C63 for as long as I can though.
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Good question and poll!

Driven a euro-spec A45 and it was astonishing. Astonishing little thing! Ok, so it doesnt sound good and lacks some of the appeal of the V8, but it was far from a bad car! Would I swap the C63S for it? Not so sure at the moment. It is still an event each and every time I get in it and while I havent driven it much in the last 8-10 months, I am really looking forward to in the near(ish) future. I am not sure I would get the same experience with a 4 cylinder version. That said, the A45 is an amazing way to cover ground very quickly and with a lot of the 'DNA' of AMG built into it, it does make an impressive package. I would certainly take a look at what the next AMG model is though. I guess its going to be some sort of 2.0 turbo with hybrid support, which could be interesting. But at the moment, with the massive drop in mileage from 2020, I will keep mine a little longer than I was planning.

The only thing that will make me change in the short term is a potential move from California to a less favorable climate. RWD, winter snow and the need to get to and from an airport (when travel resumes) might necessitate a 4WD car. But of course, I could get a cheap beater for that, so who knows. I am tempted to keep the C63 for as long as I can though.
The A45 is a fun little rocket. It's a very different car, though. You don't expect a V8 in a short wheelbase hot hatch. Just being a hot hatch makes it immense fun to drive. If I lived in Europe I would strongly consider one, because I have to say my C63S coupe felt a bit like an elephant in a porcelain store on the tight city streets and trying to get in and out of the parking structure with the tiny parking spaces. I almost broke my front splitter in one of them. Made a god awful sound, but it survived. The C63 is a great car on the open road, it's a GT, but not really at home in tight spaces. I've said this before, I find my wife's low power hatch a far better around town car than my C63, and it's actually fun to drive thanks to the short wheelbase and its low 2600 lbs curb weight.
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But what if you could get a car that had the same handling dynamics, driver-focused tuning, and aggressive look as the current AMG lineup but with an all-electric motor? It'd be nothing like any car Tesla has ever produced, outside of maybe the original Elise-based roadster. Current Teslas aren't performance cars other than their acceleration. That's it. People thinking Teslas are performance cars are no different than the people back in the day that thought a Ford Lightning was a performance vehicle because it was powerful and had quick acceleration.

That being said though, if you took that same 5.4L V8 from the Lightning, tuned it a bit, and showed it into a performance-oriented car, the two vehicle would be nothing alike. Funny how Ford did just that with the Ford GT. Anyone that has driven a Ford GT would never, ever in their wildest dreams try to compare it to a Lightning. Yet people nowadays put that same "Lightning"-type stigma onto the simple idea of an all-electric powerplant by rolling out the Tesla comparisons.
I hope you are right! I would love for someone like AMG to break the mold when it comes to electric performance cars. Ultimately, ICE cars days are numbered. But, I will believe it when I drive it!
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Old Feb 6, 2021 | 11:32 AM
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I had plans to keep my 2019 FL for a while, had the underneath protected new wheels, seat covers, last of the V8's etc.. unfortunately wife is pregnant with no4, so off it goes!

Wife did want to terminate, but for me its not a hard decision. Car or life of a baby, bye bye car!

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The sound and visceral feel of a V8 is a massive part of why I bought a C63s, and I specifically got a cabriolet so I could hear it better. I have less than zero interest in a V4 AMG, regardless of how impressive its other specs. I don't care about gas mileage, and I think it's ridiculous that Americans need to drive sterile electric cars while China is responsible for most of the world's pollution and always will be.

I was in the market for a muscle car and was sold on the growly character and torque of the C63, so that's why I bought into AMG. But it now looks like it will be the last AMG I buy, as they start producing golf carts. I may buy an S63 when I'm 70, but I'll go back to Porsche for fun cars. Looks like Mercedes is going back to being an old man's car.

I only want an AMG for the engine. If I want technology, Mercedes would likely be my very last pick. My GPS broke within weeks, and my last Mercedes was an electrical nightmare.

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Very little interest in buying the new 4 cylinder after having driven the a45 - I think the fart noises on gear changes is what does it

That said, I'm not that keen anymore on the c205 v8 sound. With sport exhaust on it sounds too artificial and I'm always thinking about how good my old 6.3 was

I had the old shape m4 for 2 months - the fake speaker sound was horrible so I guess that rules out the new one also

That's leading me to think that all modern cars sound crap now anyway, so why not just go full electric and have no sound then enjoy the instant acceleration. The only thing stopping me is I like the playfulness of RWD cars and the two EVs I drove (m3p and taycan) were so damn composed and I'm not sure if that's what I'm after




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