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Looking for a good solution to tune my c63 through obd with my own device as its not viable right now to take it to a tuner. Any updated info on this please Circa +80 bhp would be great
Kirklandhans hands down. Just look how fast I can flash my car with his own inhouse software.can also do firmware changes on the ecu and tcu and cpc tuning through it.
Im about to install a carbahn tune with a warranty tomorrow. Ill let you know
Btw Does anybody know how big a stock file for a 2018 C63 should be? I just sent mine into Carbahn to be tuned but its only 37kb....and I feel like that's very small
Kirklandhans hands down. Just look how fast I can flash my car with his own inhouse software.can also do firmware changes on the ecu and tcu and cpc tuning through it.
I’m tuned by Velos. I’ve had the stage two and downpipes on the car for about 40k miles now and haven’t had a single issue. Very reliable and I track my car often.
But, do your own due diligence, talk to the owners/tuners, and go with who you feel you can trust. There plenty of feedback on various tunes on the forum
I have RennTech and love it... HHT is simple to use, plug in, wait 30-60 seconds and done.. need to flash back to stock, flip the switch on HHT, plug in and wait 30-60 seconds, and done..
'17 AMG S63 Convertible, '17 AMG C63S Edition 1 Coupe
I don't have any first-hand experience with AMR, but from my discussion with them, they offer OBD2 tuning not just with a base file for your mods, but continued fine tuning based on providing them with datalogging info. That's huge, as even dyno tuning can't replicate real world road conditions eg highway pulls, intermittent acceleration, drivability, etc. Looking to try them out soon
I don't have any first-hand experience with AMR, but from my discussion with them, they offer OBD2 tuning not just with a base file for your mods, but continued fine tuning based on providing them with datalogging info. That's huge, as even dyno tuning can't replicate real world road conditions eg highway pulls, intermittent acceleration, drivability, etc. Looking to try them out soon
I've also had this discussion with them. This is an exciting option, as it's truly the closest thing yet to a complete remote custom tuning option.
What I'm still uncertain on however, is the ability to datalog and review your own data at any time, and at your own discretion. I believe you have to log into their server to actually conduct the log, which will require a mobile hotspot, of course. Whether or not you can choose what parameters you log, and for that matter, if you can even review and compare your own actual data remains uncertain.
Further, where it was explained to me that they do in fact conduct revisions based upon the data logs they obtain, but they do not disclose what actual adjustments they make, or why they make them.
I'm not a tuner by any stretch, but I do understand the basics, and would like to be aware of what's being changed, and why. Or, at least want to be able to view the data logs through the revision process to compare. I respect that AMR doesn't have the time to hold every customers hand, and isn't in the business of providing an education on the nuances of Mercedes tuning, and that's agreeable.
However, I do hope to be able to have the access and true flexibility that my above questions address.
'17 AMG S63 Convertible, '17 AMG C63S Edition 1 Coupe
I assume they're simply trying to protect the only proprietary product they offer: their tunes.
If I'm not mistaken, you can use an HP Tuner with VCM Suite (an OBD 2 device) for full datalogging of our vehicles (timing, boost, misfire, knock, air/fuel, all PID’s).
I assume they're simply trying to protect the only proprietary product they offer: their tunes.
If I'm not mistaken, you can use an HP Tuner with VCM Suite (an OBD 2 device) for full datalogging of our vehicles (timing, boost, misfire, knock, air/fuel, all PID’s).
No question or issue with protecting their tune approach and methodology. I guess I'm just too ocd, lol.
It's why I'm also considering the other end of the spectrum and just going with the tried and true Renntech HHT to set and forget, and just enjoy the car.
That said... I have the hp tuners current beta suite on my laptop, along with the MPVI1 PRO. I will likely upgrade to the MPVI1.
I'm on search of other m177 guys to share their channel/PID list with me. That would certainly satisfy the logging aspect.
Heck... Hopefully some tuners will actually start tuning our cars with HP tuners, as that is the most widespread tuning software, AFAIK. Just but sure how comprehensive the HPT support is for our cars.
Last edited by AMGDC78; Apr 4, 2021 at 08:38 AM.
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Kirklandhans uses xentry setup and vidiamo the software and hardware amg uses to program the car and log the car and you do pulls to 130 and he custom tunes your car. In vidiamo you can select every parameter on the car even all 7 maps sensors and you click record and it will save a kog file the can Olay back everything in the software.
Legit the actual software amg uses to log the car
it's all in German and this is the hardware amg uses to tune the car on an engine dyno.
Last edited by skratch77; Apr 4, 2021 at 09:07 AM.
Kirklandhans uses xentry setup and vidiamo the software and hardware amg uses to program the car and log the car and you do pulls to 130 and he custom tunes your car.
it's all in German and this is the hardware amg uses to tune the car on an engine dyno.
Actually, yes. I had briefly forgotten Kirkland hans.
TBH, I must admit that I became a bit weary once the thread was began that he was somebody else that simply adopted the name "Kirkland hans", to escape his prior reputation.
Nonetheless, his approach to custom tuning through datalogging is no doubt what this community needs, IMHO. And for that matter, the few members on this forum seem to be happy with his service, and results.
Only thing is, unless you spend the time and money to purchase and familiarize with xentry and vidiamo (which will only apply to this car), you lose the datalogging/customization factor that he provides, and wind up with an "off the shelf" version of his tune... As you do with most other tuners at this point, except of course, AMR.
Actually, yes. I had briefly forgotten Kirkland hans.
TBH, I must admit that I became a bit weary once the thread was began that he was somebody else that simply adopted the name "Kirkland hans", to escape his prior reputation.
Nonetheless, his approach to custom tuning through datalogging is no doubt what this community needs, IMHO. And for that matter, the few members on this forum seem to be happy with his service, and results.
Only thing is, unless you spend the time and money to purchase and familiarize with xentry and vidiamo (which will only apply to this car), you lose the datalogging/customization factor that he provides, and wind up with an "off the shelf" version of his tune... As you do with most other tuners at this point, except of course, AMR.
Hey this thread is asking for the best obd tuning and just letting you guys know who is the the best. No other company uses vidiamo for logging,it's all in German.
'17 AMG S63 Convertible, '17 AMG C63S Edition 1 Coupe
What difference does it make what software is used to tune the vehicle? If you're able to modify the necessary parameters, and the tune is safe and provides the power results, I'm unclear why you're so big on the method used, vs the actual end result. It's not like his tune won't be noticed by MB either.
What difference does it make what software is used to tune the vehicle? If you're able to modify the necessary parameters, and the tune is safe and provides the power results, I'm unclear why you're so big on the method used, vs the actual end result. It's not like his tune won't be noticed by MB either.
Use what ever you want I'm fine with data logging the car with what amg uses to log the engine. Does your tuner tune for variable cam timing? I've had renntech on my car and oe tuning and the file from kirklandhans makes there tunes feel stock.
Again this thread is about who had the vest obd tuning.. can amr ,renntech,oe,ec change the firmware of your ecu? No they can't. Do you know there is a specific firmware that makes the most power and has the most pops and bangs? Again thread is about the best. Not what you are happy with. I don't see amr making 1000whp on bigger turbos.
'17 AMG S63 Convertible, '17 AMG C63S Edition 1 Coupe
Relax man. I'm asking for this very reason; why it makes a difference based on what software is used. And I don't have a tuner; I'm still doing my research but I know who I'd like to use and who I'd like to stay away from.
What difference does it make what software is used to tune the vehicle? If you're able to modify the necessary parameters, and the tune is safe and provides the power results, I'm unclear why you're so big on the method used, vs the actual end result. It's not like his tune won't be noticed by MB either.
Overall, I agree as long as everything is accomplished, as you mentioned. Just comparing the various options and combinations.
so far we seem to have.
AMR which provides a custom tune, but may or may not provide ongoing data logging and or access/awareness to your own logs and adjustments.
Kirklandhans which requires you to purchase and familiarize with xentry and vidiamo to allow for custom remote tunes/revisions.
Many (arguably most) do not seem to care about the logging capability, and I personally may yet defer to a simple Renntech HHT. But I would prefer a true custom tune with communication with my tuner to have a better awareness about how I want my car to drive, and what he's doing to achieve it.
Use what ever you want I'm fine with data logging the car with what amg uses to log the engine. Does your tuner tune for variable cam timing? I've had renntech on my car and oe tuning and the file from kirklandhans makes there tunes feel stock.
Again this thread is about who had the vest obd tuning.. can amr ,renntech,oe,ec change the firmware of your ecu? No they can't. Do you know there is a specific firmware that makes the most power and has the most pops and bangs? Again thread is about the best. Not what you are happy with. I don't see amr making 1000whp on bigger turbos.
Its great your happy with steve (dime/kirkland or whatever he is calling himself these days) tuning but please stop making assumptions when it comes to us. We have and do use vediamo (its even on our website) as well as taktrix (same software in your video) You can see the taktrix logo in the bottom corner and most major tunes are using it as well for tuning. There are some other really good data tools as well that are more customer friendly. Take a look at VehiCAL as its a ton faster and has the same functionality
As far as custom tuning we do that on the daily basis for customers that request that as well. We can provided a logging solution, or use your log data based on equipment/software you already have to better refine your tune. (same way we just got one of our C43 customers into the 10's - the only one there) This was further detailed on the forums when we created our blended fuels tunes for the various platforms months back. Customers would apply the tune, and then send us logs to customize the file based on how the car reacted as well as the e85 blends in their area.
From my perspective, there are some very competent tuners on this platform. As skratch indicated find one that you trust, that is willing to work with you and has great communication pre and post sale. We are so confident in our tuning that we offer our own warranty.
Its great your happy with steve (dime/kirkland or whatever he is calling himself these days) tuning but please stop making assumptions when it comes to us. We have and do use vediamo (its even on our website) as well as taktrix (same software in your video) You can see the taktrix logo in the bottom corner and most major tunes are using it as well for tuning. There are some other really good data tools as well that are more customer friendly. Take a look at VehiCAL as its a ton faster and has the same functionality
As far as custom tuning we do that on the daily basis for customers that request that as well. We can provided a logging solution, or use your log data based on equipment/software you already have to better refine your tune. (same way we just got one of our C43 customers into the 10's - the only one there) This was further detailed on the forums when we created our blended fuels tunes for the various platforms months back. Customers would apply the tune, and then send us logs to customize the file based on how the car reacted as well as the e85 blends in their area.
From my perspective, there are some very competent tuners on this platform. As skratch indicated find one that you trust, that is willing to work with you and has great communication pre and post sale. We are so confident in our tuning that we offer our own warranty.
The software is not taktrix that is the open port obd2 dongle used for the inhouse software. Please don't spread miss information about his inhouse software. Again as you can see at the bottom that is the device that plugs into the obd. Nothing to do with tuning software. You can also use that dongle to get xentry to work.
You also say you tuned 60k cars? I've been here for 20 years almost and not 1 single thread about you guys using vidiamo to data log..
Last edited by skratch77; Apr 4, 2021 at 01:19 PM.
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